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StrandedSaturn
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posted March 01, 2014 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StrandedSaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are some general characteristics of these different qualities in rising signs?

If you are around somebody enough, but you have no idea what their rising sign is, how would you determine what quality it may be? Fixed, Mutable, and Cardinal signs are all different, so what do I look for to spot each one?

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posted March 01, 2014 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darksoul18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only rising I'm able to spot usually is Scorpio rising...and if it's not their rising sign then they are usually Scorpio suns. They are both pretty intense usually and Scorpio risings have an intense look and gaze to them and their eyes....the funny thing is, I'm a Scorpio rising and I try to not have this intense look at times but I still have it no matter how hard I try to relax my face lol...but our eyes usually give it away....I'm not sure about other risings, but if someone comes off as really mysterious and reserved at first and has penetrating eyes then theres a high chance that they are Scorpio rising. If they come off as really bubbly and outgoing then they are probably an air or fire sign rising...as far as looks for the rest of them...I'm not sure.

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posted March 01, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Asc is supposed to be the "easiest" thing to spot right? Well, I'd also like to know.

For some reason, I've always thought that its an imaginary design that is not valid.

But I'd also like to know

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posted March 01, 2014 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darksoul18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah you would think it's the easiest to spot since it's usually what people bring to the world the most unless you are really close to them then you will see their Sun sign the most....my sun and rising conflict with each other.

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posted March 01, 2014 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darksoul18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
For some reason, I've always thought that its an imaginary design that is not valid.


Lol, imaginary design? How so? Do you mean that you thought the rising didn't play a big role in someones chart?

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posted March 01, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://mysticmedusa.com/2013/01/how-to-tell-someones-rising-sign/

I'm a Gemini Rising and I always change the subject. My friend even pointed this out yesterday... I actually need to switch it around or else I'll get bored and zone out or just not pay any attention. I hope that website helps what your looking for...


Sorry it doesn't answer your question exactly..
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posted March 01, 2014 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darksoul18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
http://mysticmedusa.com/2013/01/how-to-tell-someones-rising-sign/

I'm a Gemini Rising and I always change the subject. My friend even pointed this out yesterday... I actually need to switch it around or else I'll get bored and zone out or just not pay any attention. I hope that website helps what your looking for...


Sorry it doesn't answer your question exactly..


Lol...i do that as a Gemini sun

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posted March 01, 2014 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you see someone flattering others a lot they could have a Libra ascendant.

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posted March 01, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StrandedSaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you believe rising signs are simply superficial appearances?

Have you ever seen somebody act as their rising sign in public, but act completely different at home?

Can a rising sign be dominant in a chart so much that it makes the person more like the rising sign as opposed to their sun or moon?

What happens if sun and moon for instance, are on the ascendant, does this mean the person remains the same in public as in intimate places?

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posted March 01, 2014 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StrandedSaturn:
Do you believe rising signs are simply superficial appearances?

Have you ever seen somebody act as their rising sign in public, but act completely different at home?

Can a rising sign be dominant in a chart so much that it makes the person more like the rising sign as opposed to their sun or moon?

What happens if sun and moon for instance, are on the ascendant, does this mean the person remains the same in public as in intimate places?



Not in my case because I have part of a stellium in my rising sign and some of it exactly conjuncts my ascendant so this makes the sign it is in dominant in my particular natal chart.

If people are double or triple because of the luminaries and the ascendant, that would emphasize the sign more.

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posted March 01, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was looking for a post like this in the past days. I'm trying to figure it out someone's rising sign but I can't seem to find an accurate one for this person. Can we tell someone's rising sign by just physical appearence?

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posted March 01, 2014 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well in my experience the "mode" of the signs are usually reflected in the facial and generall physical structure;

fixed signs tend to have quite prominent and angular feautures (square jaws, high cheekbones, deep set eyes etc.) and they also tend to look a little taller than they really are.

Cardinial signs tend to have quite prominent eyes, and a somewhat more compact build(no not meaning they look fat, but they just look a little shorter than they really are).

Mutual signs tend to have softer feautures and oftentimes look younger than they really are, also tend to look quite lean/skinny.

Just my experience, and it does correlate with allot of common knowlege from the individual signs.

But this is very general, if you really want to be able to spot someones signs from their appearance you should look up their chart and you will most likely start to see some patterns.

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posted March 01, 2014 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
http://mysticmedusa.com/2013/01/how-to-tell-someones-rising-sign/

I'm a Gemini Rising and I always change the subject. My friend even pointed this out yesterday... I actually need to switch it around or else I'll get bored and zone out or just not pay any attention. I hope that website helps what your looking for...


Sorry it doesn't answer your question exactly..


Haha I feel you. My friends always say that I jump from one topic to another. Also, when I'm in a group conversation, I'm just all over the place. Sometimes, I talk to a person and then when I finally let them talk, I space out and then start another conversation with another person in the group without even letting them finish. They all complain about that.

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posted March 01, 2014 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use these:

*Sag asc has a distinctive lower lip (think Brad Pitt; also big teeth and full thighs, makes one think of a horse);

*Virgo asc has very fine hair, hard to style, it looks unwashed, though I'm sure you do wash it

*Cancer asc - there is something about the boobs, either very big or very small in women; the men are simply big fans. Round face, looks like the moon.

*If the hair can be referred to as a mane, it's Leo.

*Dresses in black from head to toe and looks like a witch or a sorcerer, Scorpio.

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posted March 01, 2014 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, this link is very good, it helped me a lot when I was studying this subject. http://www.librarising.com/astrology/risingsigns/ristable.html

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posted March 01, 2014 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cardinal ones like to take the lead. If you're like me and like to initiate conversation eventually the Cardinal Asc will not answer only to turn around and say hi once you're gone quiet. You'll have a hard time initiating too often with them.

The fixed signs are best at holding a stare. Scorpios are the easiest to spot. Hold their stare and eventually they will draw attention to their nether region - weird.

Mutable signs looks like their about to take flight. The Sagittarius and Pisces especially are almost always about to leave or dart off somewhere.

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posted March 01, 2014 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://reocities.com/athens/delphi/1601/physical.html

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Marandana
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posted March 01, 2014 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder why a scorpio rising is always "easy" to spot. Besides the "intense gaze" or is it just for that?

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posted March 02, 2014 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darksoul18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marandana:
I wonder why a scorpio rising is always "easy" to spot. Besides the "intense gaze" or is it just for that?

They come off as really reserved around new people...really mysterious...that's a good give away right there. A lot of times you can easily just notice their presence because they come off really intense as well. They sort of have a wall up when they first meet people too...kind of scope people out to see if they can be trusted...oh and you already mentioned intense gaze...add all of these up and theres a very good chance that they are scorpio rising.

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posted March 02, 2014 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mysticmedusa.com page shows some insights about each rising sign,

but not enough to reliably apply it in practice.

I have reviewed librarising.com extensively and found it often uses

unverified or clearly inaccurate birth data to reach conclusions about the

horoscopes of its celebrity examples.

The reocities.com page, in spite of its use of photos, is just plain bad, full of

inaccurate conclusions and misleading information.

All this leads me to believe I will have to put up a page or pages of Rising Sign examples on my own site.

But in answer to the actual question relating to the differentiation of sign quality, cardinal, fixed, mutable, first look to the general outline of the face and shape of the head for clues.

- Cardinal types tend to have more rounded faces/heads or at least inward-rounding foreheads. Cancer varies from this the most if the Moon is in a fixed sign especially. Aries tends to be less rounded, more chiseled. Cap tends to have a longer facial outline if not obviously rounded.

- Fixed types are obvious when they show the very squared jaw, square or rectangular heads. Some tapering from the temples can happen, especially if the Sun/ruler is in a mutable sign.

- Mutable types have the narrower/longer faces/heads and look the youngest for their age. At the least they have the highest hairlines/foreheads of the three groups. They can have rounded/ovate heads if the ruler/Sun is in a cardinal sign.

CARDINAL SIGNS [Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn] do like to initiate in

relation to others. Most frequent exceptions are the Cancer rising women.

These are the pioneers, paternal/maternal ones, leaders and prime

negotiators.

- Aries rising is generally more interrupting and will go their own way

whether or not others follow, but likes to get others to do their bidding. The

attitude is 'Just do it.' They are active and loud with few exceptions. They

are outgoing and take on the role of boss more quickly than any other type.

Quick, assertive, blunt, demanding.

- Cancer rising is far quieter, more cautious, and as the mysticmedusa.com author

points out, they are reticent, speaking only once they mulled something over

well. They are intuitive more than action-oriented. They respond well to the

needs of others and tend to be well liked. However, there is quite a range in

both physical qualities and personality, depending on the Moon's sign and

condition. Touchy-feely, but reserve it for family and close friends.

Generally introverted.

- Libra rising is a bit like Aries, but in a more graceful, less compulsive package,

more often passive. Still they know how to place themselves to get noticed

and how to put themselves (or others) into a more flattering light. They will

persuade, but generally not impose and work through diplomacy, bargaining

and 'soft' power. They may express their flighty nature by sampling the

various delights offered with no commitment. Touchy-feely, even in a

casual social context. Laissez faire and indulgent. Marginal to obvious

extrovert.

- Capricorn rising is generally work and status-oriented and can take control

tacitly with authority and far less friction than the Aries types who take are

more overt. Like Cancer types, they tend to think things through before

they speak, but may be verbally critical of others' performance or

standards. A cool, capable outward appearance with little nervous energy

since it is so efficiently channeled productively. Often social introverts,

contained extroverts.

FIXED SIGNS [Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aqua] are not about setting things into

motion like the cardinal types, but about drawing them into a stable fixture.

The most frequent exception to this is Aqua rising, especially the males.

- Taurus rising is generally pleasant with a soft voice and a steady,

easy-going manner, often with some evidence of self-indulgence in, or

about them.They may not be given to dramatics, but generally have to be

pushed far to raise their voices. This is because they are peacemakers, not

normally in the active sense like Libra types, but bring calm with their

down-to-earth presence. Grounded and passively sensual. Generally

introverted.

- Leo rising can range widely as well depending on the Sun's sign, but they

tend to press hard - relentlessly - get what they want with their strong will. They also tend to be managerial and bossy like the Aries types. Strong will-to-power.

They infuse their lives with energy and passion and even if serious, still

enjoy music, the arts and sports as performers or just partiers. They infuse

the social atmosphere with enjoyment unless they are given to cruelty from

selfishness. Usually marginal to obvious extroverts.

- Scorpio rising is generally a contained or even secretive introvert, but who

can be verbally sarcastic when they need to set a boundary or express

disagreement. Some can function as extroverts in terms of worldly

accomplishments if they are able to harness the intensity of their drive. The

body language of hand gestures or 'talking with the hands' tends to be

missing with these types. They aren't so much communicating as probing,

but they can get their own answers even if the question to be posed is too

probing to ask.

- Aquarius rising can come across as introverted, some even shy, but they

will still have a strong connection to the world of ideas and social contexts.

They infuse progress and justice into this context by varying from the

norm, by being the exception to the assumed rule. Often non-committal,

they are flighty, fidgety and usually are able to make friends easily in a

variety of social contexts. The exceptions are the highly intuitive, sensitive

psychic types.

MUTABLE RISING SIGNS [Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces] break up

stagnation and add variety and spice to what has been normalized by the

fixed types. They follow things thriugh to their furthest conclusion, polishing

or perfecting, intellectually or in practice. They tend to look young for their

age.

- Gemini rising is in learning and sharing mode. If introverted, they will still

be restless for adventure and not sentimental about the past. The attention

does not settle on any one thing or interest for exceedingly long. Life must

be full of novelty and variety. Curiosity must be satisfied. They infuse the

surroundings with optimism, numerous interests and information. Loyalties

can change quickly. They may have to work through anxiety to develop

confidence.

- Virgo rising is in learning and perfecting mode. Introverts with a priority on

appropriateness and privacy. They are small-scale personalities whose detail focus keeps them from fame/fortune with few exceptions. They like bodily health, good habits, order and

correctness, but rarely impose this upon others, instead offering their help.

They are studious and sensible. The least likely type to get married early.

They may have to work through a sense of inferiority to develop

confidence, but can become haughty if they do not.

- Sagittarius rising is in learning and teaching mode, but can be as restless

and free as any Gemini type. Rarely truly introverted, they are oriented

towards improvements and increase for themselves and those they bring

along. They are large-scale personalities who frequently are accomplished and noteworthy or simply have a wide circle of friends and associates. While normally inclusive, generous and liberal, they abhor chaos so

can turn authoritarian or preachy until order has returned. Often have a

life-changing revelation or turn part-way through life. They pursue and

believe in the bigger things in life. Often a strong will-to-power.

- Pisces rising is in idealist mode often even more than the Sagittarius type.

The difficulty is in the short-cut steps they are prone to taking often from a

lack of practical, step-at-a-time focus. Spiritual, musical or cerebral

sensation must be present, otherwise they fall to the harsh disappointments

of life. Poetic or religious, they tend to take on others' feelings and

empathize with the little guy. They have the least will-to-power of all

personalities, fueled by inspiration not ambition.

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posted March 02, 2014 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMPO, ascendants are not nearly as obvious as astrologers make them out to be. I have done my own research on ascendants and I do not see them being very important. Especially when you consider that most people don't know their birth time so its impossible to know what their ascendant is. Imo the sun shines through very clearly when you first meet someone and sometimes the moon, but i just don't see peoples ascendants playing a big role in their interactions with people.

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posted March 02, 2014 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for earthypisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

- Fixed types are obvious when they show the very squared jaw, square or rectangular heads. Some tapering from the temples can happen, especially if the Sun/ruler is in a mutable sign.

My older brother and I are both fixed ascendants/mutual suns and this is definitely true. (He's Sagittarius/Taurus and I'm Pisces/Taurus).

quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Taurus:

Generally

introverted.


Definitely true as well.

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posted March 02, 2014 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aquaguy91:

The Asc sign and degree are important to those who want an accurate birth chart and to the astrologers who want to provide them.

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posted March 03, 2014 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
IMPO, ascendants are not nearly as obvious as astrologers make them out to be. I have done my own research on ascendants and I do not see them being very important. Especially when you consider that most people don't know their birth time so its impossible to know what their ascendant is. Imo the sun shines through very clearly when you first meet someone and sometimes the moon, but i just don't see peoples ascendants playing a big role in their interactions with people.

They really aren't right??? I agree with you.

If not the Sun sign, I usually spot other positions like the Moon, Mercury or Mars sign. I can barely make out the Ascendant.

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posted March 03, 2014 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by darksoul18:
Lol, imaginary design? How so? Do you mean that you thought the rising didn't play a big role in someones chart?

I didn't think it did.lol.

IMO, this need to have 3 distinct personality positions is a way for astrology to find correlation with psychology/time and religion with regards to the concept of a "triad" being.

But then again, there are distinct connections in all philosophies and so, it doesn't necessarily render this one null and void.

For instance;

Time is said to be divided between then(Moon), Now(Asc),will be(Sun)

Religion has the Son(Moon),The father(Sun) and the Holy spirit(Asc)

In numerology , 3 is the number of the triangle. It is the number of balance.

I am also sure there are many other examples.

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