posted February 12, 2021 11:23 AM            

What was his Sun Sign? Yep, Crappakorn.

On the other hand, these folks were all Pisces Sun (hint, all serial killers):
John Wayne Gacy.
Richard Ramirez
Dennis Rader.
Aileen Wuornos.
Ottis Toole.
Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins.
Randy Steven Kraft.
Christopher Wilder.

Then for a more high functioning psychopath, we have Dick Cheney, who has Aquarius Sun and Pisces Moon of all combinations. What an empathic humanitarian type! He sure loved to give bombs to people.

What does this tell us? Signs do not relate much to quality/maturity of consciousness overall. That is best figured out by strongest to least strong Planets* and/or individual use of freewill, which is ever a "wild card" factor.

*The Planets have a far more direct and powerful correspondence to what some call the "Chakras", and I prefer to call the Centers, and which in the body physical are very linked to some of the main Endocrine glands. These are a symbolic physicalization of the 7 main dimensions of consciousness of this local system of consciousness (i.e. combination of the various nonphysical levels and this "physical" level we call the Earth).

These dimensions or states of consciousness are either slower or faster vibratory than one another. Meaning, they are either relatively closer to Source and pure Love, or farther away. If a person has a primary emphasis on the slowest vibratory Planetary symbols i.e. Saturn, Mars, (often times, but not always) Pluto, and Moon, with very little emphasis or highlighting on the mid to fast vibratory symbols i.e. Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and Sun, then 8 out of 10 times, they will tend towards being slower vibratory in nature, whatever Signs are or aren't highlighted.

posted February 12, 2021 02:56 PM            

We can't find judgment on a probable Messiah (which I lean towards belief, other's msy not) by a Sun sign. Yet, were we to go with any sign (energy) as you found so many evil ones mentioned, that were devious and took lives. Every sign would be guilty.

So are we going to pre-judge according to astro signs? If you dig hard enough every sign will render dirt. Life experience, maturity /soul growth play a huge role.

Jesus (Yeshua) was noted to be a person who was compassionate. There are at least 5 signs noted in various blogs to be compassionate. Not once was Sagittarius, Aquarius, Capricorn, Gemini or Scorpio mentioned. Though they are NOT evil by blueprint due to this. It is mostly analytic research which mostly "known" case studies are used, that we learn of such characters.

Back to my mentioning Virgo - It rules House of service - to others The person we are discussing was noted to care for others. Come to their aid. Teach them to fish, bring them fish. Cabinet make. Be a counselor. A compassionate friend. Guidance. (Sun/Son). This person was within their mother's belly, about to be born in constellation Virgo.

posted February 12, 2021 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
@GCE I you .. but gotta chime in.
Every particular sign is good or evil in some way. And to quote many seasoned LL astrologers .. "You have to consider the Whole Chart".

We can't find judgment on a probable Messiah (which I lean towards belief, other's msy not) by a Sun sign. Yet, were we to go with any sign (energy) as you found so many evil ones mentioned, that were devious and took lives. Every sign would be guilty.

So are we going to pre-judge according to astro signs? If you dig hard enough every sign will render dirt. Life experience, maturity /soul growth play a huge role.

Jesus (Yeshua) was noted to be a person who was compassionate. There are at least 5 signs noted in various blogs to be compassionate. Not once was Sagittarius, Aquarius, Capricorn, Gemini or Scorpio mentioned. Though they are NOT evil by blueprint due to this. It is mostly analytic research which mostly "known" case studies are used, that we learn of such characters.

Back to my mentioning Virgo - It rules House of service - to others The person we are discussing was noted to care for others. Come to their aid. Teach them to fish, bring them fish. Cabinet make. Be a counselor. A compassionate friend. Guidance. (Sun/Son). This person was within their mother's belly, about to be born in constellation Virgo.

- We all have our opinions. I'm sharing keys to Virgo that might reflect of the character we are discussing.

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Regarding the bolded part, I more or less agree, and that is more or less what I was saying. You cannot judge quality or maturity of consciousness based on Signs alone or even predominantly in a chart. Planetary strengths are far, far more important to that "level" of astrology than Signs.

As to the rest, and about Virgo, I assume you're talking about the 6th House?

Actually, that is a fundamental, common misconception of the 6th House that it is about service to others. It isn't really. It's about service to self. It is the house of "work" i.e. earning a paycheck or the like. It just so happens that it has to involve other people.

And Virgo the Sign, is one of the Signs of the "first half" of the Zodiac which is SELF focused. It's not until Libra that metaphorical journey of the Soul starts to become more "Others" focused. This is also reflected in the Houses as well. The 7th House is the first House more specifically and predominantly about others, being a reflection of the House of self. The first 6 Houses predominantly deal with self, and the 2nd half 6 Houses i.e. 7 to 12 deal predominantly with others, and are "collective" reflections of the first 6 Houses.

Virgo is ruled by Mercury, the planet of the intellect. There is nothing particularly "loving" about Virgo, in and of itself. Venus for example, tends to be mighty uncomfortable in Virgo because Virgo is far too critical, judgy, and intellect focused/centered for her heart oriented nature. Harmonious aspects or conjunctions to Moon, Jupiter, Neptune, and Sun can offset such "hyper critical to others" tendencies though, and bring in a more heart and feeling type vibe and attunement.

You're a very right brain and intuitive person MM, perhaps you're picking up more on yourself and your own journey and how Virgo would be a good balance and integration type energy for you? People that have Sag Rising with Neptune very highlighted (probably your strongest Planet), end up having a rather Piscean like attunement, because when you mix powerful Neptune (blue violet) + plus powerful Sag (reddish purple), you get something rather similar in vibe and feeling to Pisces (violet).

Mercury ruled Virgo is the opposite Sign to Pisces, as Mercury ruled Gemini is to Sagittarius. This is is a necessary balance and integration for you, which is maybe why you are putting Virgo somewhat on a pedestal? I have a friend that has Sag Rising, with Jupiter in Pisces in the 4th. She has a lot of purple in her aura (also a very right brain, feeling oriented, intuitive, highly empathic person).

Interestingly, guess what her favorite color is? It is the opposite color to purple! Yellow--a very intellect (and Mercury) oriented color. Intuitively, she knows that she needs the opposite energy of all that purple, in yellow, to balance her out better. She is also attracted to rather cerebral/intellect focused partners. Her last partner, come to find out, is probably just barely within the narcissistic spectrum, and not very in touch with his feelings and emotions. Way too overly intellect/head focused and not enough heart to balance him, though sometimes he tries to project an image of that to others.

Holistic logic and context needs to be applied fully to these topics if we are going to see them as clearly and fully as possible.

Btw, I hope that people understand that I'm NOT saying that people with strong Virgo in their chart cannot be loving and others focused in a positive way. Of course they can, as I mentioned twice now that Signs alone do NOT tell the "age of the Soul" so to speak. This is found in Planetary strengths with also considering the potential "wild card" factor of freewill which we just CANNOT EVER see in a chart if it gets activated.

posted February 12, 2021 04:01 PM            

I will say you are correct on one account def I probably am pro Virgo. Which it wasn't obv to me until you mentioned it. Doesn't mean I still don't believe the chart I studied made my opions change. I do favor Virgos, I fell hard when I searched through famous ones and my huge crush came up in the results, stopping me to think of your words. http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Alexander_Skarsgard http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/alexander_skarsgard.jpg

posted February 14, 2021 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by bjorkstrand:
as said before
6 jan 6 BC midnight, bethlehem
10° Libra rising with IC 1101 "the godfather"rising

enjoy

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I think you are correct that Yeshua's physical birth time gives a Libra Rising, but based on a combination of his looks and that his mother, his twin soul, was said to be an Aquarius Sun, I think it is more likely that Yeshua had the spiritual/energetic birth time that gives Leo Rising (hmm, the sign of the "heart").

For example, between the two psychic readings from the Edgar Cayce work that describe Yeshua's physical looks, the guidance describes a person with a mix of light brown, reddish and golden hair and piercing gray blue eyes (most common with either Leo Rising and/or Sun in strong connection with the ASC), and of surprising weight for someone who fasted as much as he did, "at least 170 lbs", which implies that Yeshua was 1. taller than average for his time/peoples and 2. probably also fairly muscular. And indeed, the Shroud of Turin seems to back this up--the guy on same was fairly "jacked" in natural way and likely somewhat tall to tall (the majority of estimates give between 5'10" to 6' 2" in height which would have been tall for the time/peoples). These are also fairly archetypal Leonine Rising traits. Putting it all together, Aquarius Sun, twin Soul mother and holistic physical looks all strongly suggest Leo Rising.

And no, I don't say this because I happen to have this Rising sign (rolls eyes). I would say that even if I had Gemini or Scorpio Rising. Leo Rising, when not strongly altered by Planets or Sign cusping, etc, is one of the most distinct looking Rising Signs on average. After all, it is the "destiny" of Leo Rising to stand out from the crowd in some way, either positively or negatively.

Now Planetary and Stellar wise is far more important to the Soul and Soul maturity than Signs. Hence, we should expect that Arcturus, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Neptune were probably the most highlighted symbols, but also with an attunement and balance between ALL of the symbols. A strong focus on the Universal Signs would help to back up/support that pattern, but would be secondary overall.

One could always just ask Yeshua, "hey dude, what Rising Sign did you really have?" Or a bunch of us could pull some tarot cards on it?

Or we could do a very interesting experiment on this if people would like to volunteer? We could get a small group of people to do some remote viewings on a few different targets. A couple very simple objects, mixed in with one target that is "what was Yeshua's spiritual/energetic birth Rising Sign?", all coded under a random set of numbers, and then have the stipulation that the people volunteerring cannot have read this thread yet and do not know what the true target is about i.e. going into it completely blind.

I've done a handful of remote viewing sessions and they were quite interesting. Got definite hits in 3 or 4 out of the 4 or 5 I did. But I would not be a good candidate for the experiment since I have pre knowledge of the target and fairly set belief/opinion already.

posted February 18, 2021 03:19 AM            

10 years later I was born(james the just)

If u want to see what jesus looked goto http://home.claranet.nl/users/lightnet/world/unitedforcesintro.html

posted February 18, 2021 03:40 AM            

Serious questions btw. I don't "believe" easily. I'm skeptical by nature (very strong Capricorn and fairly strong Mercury and moderate Virgo). I don't believe in things "willy nilly", but like and need things like verification, evidence, holistic logic, etc.

But, I am also open minded and will consider most anything if there is enough of the above to support same.

But some random person on the I-net on a rather colorful astrology forum, telling me something without much of a real case, well, it's just not something I can accept without question.