posted March 19, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by dadoo:
The more I read your posts, the more I get the feeling that there's something you don't get here.
I'll leave alone the question of you being or not being an Ophiucus Sun.
As an astrologer, and as a human being, I suppose you know yourself, therefore I think you are fully entitled to consider yourself as such, and I'll go as far as considering the possibility you can be right about it.
As for me, the only truth I'll ever believe is that there isn't such a thing as a unique truth.
If this 13 sign system works for you, by all means use it.

The problem is that you expect some people to share your views. And that's the same thing as asking people to get rid of their identity so you can feel better in yours.
In maybe 7 or 8 cases out of ten, astrology started to interest us the day we read a description of our Sun sign and thought to ourselves "HOLY COW!!! THAT'S ME!!!"
Our Sun sign is more often than not part of our identity as an astrologer, and has become part of our identity as a human.
You can't just come and tell people to throw it away just to validate a theory of yours.
I trust you when you say you're an Ophiucus, sure, why not, I don't know you and I don't know your system.
But you owe me the same respect when I tell you I am NOT an Aquarius.
I might be born in the Piscean Age, blah blah blah, whatever you say won't make me an Aquarius in my own eyes.
In yours, maybe. Once again, you are free to practice astrology according to your own methods.
But I think that expecting people here to follow you down this road will only expose you to disappointment.

Something else.
The reasons why people gather here, in the first place, is because they share the same system.
Sharing the system they share the board, and sharing the board, they end up sharing friendship.
That's what allows people to talk about the same thing even when they don't know each other's culture or experience.
Everyone, or almost everyone here came here with the deep conviction that the 12 sign system made sense.
Of course, everyone could suddenly decide to disagree and want to throw the old system away.
That's called a revolution. But what a revolution takes, is people frustrated or repressed by the old system
and wanting out of it. So far I haven't seen many people wanting or needing this revolution here.
You can go all uranian "let's break the house down, yaaaaay" if you want, but you'll be marginalizing yourself doing so.
You can't expect to want to destroy the old order and be part of it at the same time.
While I trust our lovely Mods to see that you stay free to express yourself and be respected as you should, I'm afraid you're going to feel extremely lonely here.

This said, good luck with your crusade!!

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I don't understand what this has to do with views and beliefs? Unique truths? You're from the Pisces generation then?

I am born into the Aquarius generation, this is all science and facts, the reality of whats going on. If i see someone that i don't think is working right then the community and society need to know so that everyone is using a system that is working accurately.

Not related to beliefs or unique truths, though i fully respect if you see it that way i don't agree with it. Astrology is a science not a belief or religion and is that way for most people in my generation.

The difference between Neptune/Jupiter & Uranus/Saturn..

posted March 19, 2014 04:09 PM            

This all facts, science, reality, psychology and how the stars effect us as humanity here on Earth, in which way they do and how they do - Is it not?

posted March 19, 2014 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I do "itentidfy" with Sagittarius i just know that i'm not one, on a basis i have some traits similar to that of a Sagittarius, Jupiter on the ascendant, Mars in the 9th house, sidereal Sagittarius Moon.
But the Sun was in Ophiuchus when i was born and therefor i'm not a Sagittarius.

In terms of my personal psychology i am not one, it's like telling a dog it's a cow because the systems says it is.

I have enough Scorpio haha
Scorpio ascendant conjunct PLuto in Scorpio, Jupiter in Scorpio, Ixion in Scorpio, a few asteroids.

Scorpio NN 12th house.
Scorpio Venus 11th.

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According to Parke Kunkle you can't be one because it only start (again according to him) from babies born in 2009.

And, I hate to tell you the idea of Ophiuchus has been around a while now. So your other theory of "The Age of Aquarius" is also not really on point. Never mind the fact the people aren't even in agreement when the age of Aquarius starts/started.

But you are young. Lots of young people think they are right. Until they learn more.

http://www.examiner.com/article/kunkle-confirms-new-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus

posted March 19, 2014 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:

I don't see it like that atall. The system is what we have controlled and a blueprint for, we can then find what makes astrology work and base the system around that, the astrological system isn't to difficult to adjust and change.

I'm hoping i don't have to do this myself and it's an official update as the Aquarian generation grows and Pluto in Scorpio brings in its own developments and gets rid of the older ones in society.

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I can see I'm not getting anywhere trying to explain basic astrology, so best of luck to you on your path of discovery

=)

This is what is happening here.

posted March 20, 2014 01:17 AM            

I've already attempted to explain many of the things you guys have already explained to him here, which he keeps claiming that none of us can explain, and then ignores all of what someone says and then calls them "piscean" when they prove him wrong of anything, which he most definitely is, he claimed to be born during regulus in virgo which had it been true would make him less than 3 years old.

posted March 20, 2014 02:02 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
^Give him a break guys, Pluto and Uranus are transiting his moon... A little crazy is to be expected

Not saying I agree with all his theories but in a way I have to admire the enthusiasm and personally find him kind of fascinating although he seems to ignore most of my comments which I then feel awkward about lol

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Don't worry, he ignores all peoples comments unless they anger him, even if they agree or are attempting to have an intelligent discussion with him.

posted March 20, 2014 02:40 AM              

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Don't worry, he ignores all peoples comments unless they anger him, even if they agree or are attempting to have an intelligent discussion with him.

Didn't realize that about his moon, but that probably explains a lot LOL. Saturn in scorpio might also kick his ass soon.

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Yeah I just remember his Moon conjuncts my Neptune-Dsc, and Saturn in Scorpio has been thoroughly kicking my own ass with Pluto opp Mars, so I get the craziness right now lol

posted March 20, 2014 03:11 AM              

http://www.13moon.com/nature's%20cal%20page.htm

posted March 20, 2014 09:33 AM            

Though I do wonder if maybe we shouldn't be too hard on him. If he's a bit "fragile", I'd feel bad.

posted March 20, 2014 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
And again, I have no idea what it means for the "system" of astrology, but I do think you could be onto something with the number 13...

http://www.13moon.com/nature's%20cal%20page.htm

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Interesting.

In Egyptian mythology, Osiris was cut up in 14 parts but Isis only found 13 parts. 13 used to be important. For some reason, they cut it down to 12.