posted March 26, 2014 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by pocaloca:
Gabby dear..listen to me now..
The are totally drawn to everything mystic..Talk reincarnation, aliens, spiritual stuff etc. and they love it....But take care, they like to play dummies as well, let you talk and open up more then they are willing to do. They want all your secrets but are willing to give little of theirs, at least in the beginning. This is the way how they gain control over you, while giving you little over them...But its so tempting having someones full attention , who likes to listen instead to talk much ahahaha

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I appreciate your knowledge on this, i don't know any of this, thank you.
I think our saggy placements must deflect that scorpio tendency because he's open, he's told me so much about himself n his past, even if it hasn't been pretty.
I tend to do the same thing.....we saggys are bad about wanting to be so honest that sometimes we tell too much!

His AC saggy@5.18--my Sun saggy@4.28
His Merc saggy@4.34--my Merc saggy@3.32
His Sun saggy@15--my Neptune saggy@11.15, Jupiter aries@15 in 7th

I guess we bring out the saggy truth teller in each other....which is nice, sometimes, lol!

posted March 26, 2014 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I appreciate your knowledge on this, i don't know any of this, thank you.
I think our saggy placements must deflect that scorpio tendency because he's open, he's told me so much about himself n his past, even if it hasn't been pretty.
I tend to do the same thing.....we saggys are bad about wanting to be so honest that sometimes we tell too much!

His AC saggy@5.18--my Sun saggy@4.28
His Merc saggy@4.34--my Merc saggy@3.32
His Sun saggy@15--my Neptune saggy@11.15, Jupiter aries@15 in 7th

I guess we bring out the saggy truth teller in each other....which is nice, sometimes, lol!

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His sag will deflect some of the bad scorpio stuff. Hopefully, you'll get the good Scorpio stuff.

As open as he is he still might take time to fully open up his heart completely. I'm really very open, but it takes time for me to say I love you even if I feel it and say it in a round about way. And it still takes time for me to feel totally "safe". That's definitely the scorpio parts. If he's like me, he won't lie. But he might omit, til he's ready.

If I start to feel you're pulling away though, I'll pull away as well.

Just be yourself. Anyway, you can't be anything else.
Hopefully it will be great! Only time will tell.

posted March 26, 2014 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by pocaloca:
I wish you super, hot, endless, passionate love with him Gabby <3
As I say his Scorp. except Venus is not that strong so its possible that he is less " complicated" and more easy going and open..Btw. I never said venus in Scorp lies, no they are very honest when they talk but usually at least in the first stages of romance they dont open that easy and are more quiet listeners then talkative ..but then again I know only about man with more then one Scorp placement..Anyway I thought you should know and maybe my experience can help you in one way or another.

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Thank you! I didn't take it as you were saying they lie, just reserved and don't open up easily.
I guess I was talking less about honesty and more about saggy being a bit TO open...we tend to say more than we need to or should.
Really neither of us have went overboard or anything, probably the pluto in me and the scorp in him maybe it calms saggys loud mouth a lil bit.
Also we both have mild moons that probably help calm saggys overboard on fire n exuberance.
I'm a virgo moon and he is a pisces moon.

posted March 26, 2014 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
His sag will deflect some of the bad scorpio stuff. Hopefully, you'll get the good Scorpio stuff.

As open as he is he still might take time to fully open up his heart completely. I'm really very open, but it takes time for me to say I love you even if I feel it and say it in a round about way. And it still takes time for me to feel totally "safe". That's definitely the scorpio parts. If he's like me, he won't lie. But he might omit, til he's ready.

If I start to feel you're pulling away though, I'll pull away as well.

Just be yourself. Anyway, you can't be anything else.
Hopefully it will be great! Only time will tell.

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posted March 27, 2014 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
@AscTaurus
I'm not really "romantic" either...I like the intensity more than the sweetness or romantic gestures. Intensity is so much more fun....
I've noticed this guy is very intense but also very protective....if he was going to be insane jealous it would have already shown up in one way or another, right?
We have been talking for a month, we talk constantly...n he's told me he can see this becoming very serious and then asked if I'd be willing to get married again?

I have not seen any questions or prying behavior like he doesn't trust me, even though we have discussed that we are not sleeping with other ppl even though we haven't slept together either, I wanted to wait n he has been very respectful about that. But I'm done waiting, lol!

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I think the emotional games will come if the Venus in Scorpio feels that they are not yet intimate with you. In other words, when they feel that they haven't explored how deep the relations between you both can go.

A Scorpio Venus-Scorpio Venus match up can be tricky. To me, its even trickier than the Sun sign match of the same signs. Because, at-least with the latter match-up, the Venus signs could be differing; otherwise we revert back to the former statement.

With two Scorpio Venus', neither of you are willing to let you guard down and there could be endless emotional/head games that you two play with each other in order to "pry" the other open. Venus placement in compatibility shows up and is therefore , to me, quite important.

Jealousy is also another thing. Its very unlikely that it'll show up in an open manner like a Venus in Aries. There will be very subtle actions and indirect behaviour that the Scorpio Venus shows to suggest disapproval of your new hobby, new friend or work commitment.

I have a Venus in Pisces friend and the "flow" between he and I is different. He doesn't have to "pry" me open, its like I open myself up willingly; its very disarming.

The challenge for Venus in Scorpio may be to admit that they are vulnerable. This is so difficult for me as I don't want to admit feelings before the other person does.

But there is something liberating about taking the "plunge". Problem is, I can't move on as quickly as Aries when the feelings are not reciprocated. That's the hard part.

Being a fixed sign, I tend to "linger" in a sometimes creepy/inappropriate kind of way. Yikes!

Can someone teach a Scorpio Venus to let go gracefully when they have fallen in love with someone and consider that person their obsession? Anyone?

Perhaps that is why the gravitation towards another Scorpio Venus happens so often for me?

posted March 27, 2014 03:17 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:

The scorp venuses I know don't necessarily play game but scorpio sun and moon do

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posted March 27, 2014 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
I think the emotional games will come if the Venus in Scorpio feels that they are not yet intimate with you. In other words, when they feel that they haven't explored how deep the relations between you both can go.

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I don't play games. I don't know how. It's probably the Sag thing. I just lay it on the line even when I KNOW I should probably be playing hard to get. I just can't play hard to get. I'm sure that has scared away more than one boy.

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
The challenge for Venus in Scorpio may be to admit that they are vulnerable. This is so difficult for me as I don't want to admit feelings before the other person does.

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Yes! I will and have held back my feelings, even to myself because I was waiting for them to love me "first". When it didn't happen, well.... we move on to the next paragraph.

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But there is something liberating about taking the "plunge". Problem is, I can't move on as quickly as Aries when the feelings are not reciprocated. That's the hard part.

Being a fixed sign, I tend to "linger" in a sometimes creepy/inappropriate kind of way. Yikes!

Can someone teach a Scorpio Venus to let go gracefully when they have fallen in love with someone and consider that person their obsession? Anyone?

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No. Doesn't happen. But that doesn't mean I'm plotting to get back at them or that I'll stalk them or play games to get them back or that I don't understand "it's over" which seems to be the case for Poca and her guys.

I know it's over. It's just he's stuck in my head. I can only accept it. What I do is stop bashing myself over the head when I think of him. The more I try to stop myself from thinking about him the worse it gets. So I let myself think of him and then he slowly slips away again. Like when you say "don't think of a gorilla". The only thing you can do is think of a gorilla. LOL.

But the good side of that is that it helps us Sags actually commit to someone. If you read Sag descriptions you'd think they can never commit. I can and I have and I will. Probably have my Scop Venus to thank for that. Though I have to admit when I was young I NEVER thought I'd have any long term relationships. Maybe 3-5 years and no more. I just came out of a 15 (+/-) relationship. It was a total surprise to me that it was so easy to be with someone for so long.

I've never been in a relationship with another Scorp Venus. My ex was a Cancer Venus.

The boy I've got a crush on is a Taurus with is a Gemini Venus. Bad!

posted March 27, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
I think the emotional games will come if the Venus in Scorpio feels that they are not yet intimate with you. In other words, when they feel that they haven't explored how deep the relations between you both can go.

A Scorpio Venus-Scorpio Venus match up can be tricky. To me, its even trickier than the Sun sign match of the same signs. Because, at-least with the latter match-up, the Venus signs could be differing; otherwise we revert back to the former statement.

With two Scorpio Venus', neither of you are willing to let you guard down and there could be endless emotional/head games that you two play with each other in order to "pry" the other open. Venus placement in compatibility shows up and is therefore , to me, quite important.

Jealousy is also another thing. Its very unlikely that it'll show up in an open manner like a Venus in Aries. There will be very subtle actions and indirect behaviour that the Scorpio Venus shows to suggest disapproval of your new hobby, new friend or work commitment.

I have a Venus in Pisces friend and the "flow" between he and I is different. He doesn't have to "pry" me open, its like I open myself up willingly; its very disarming.

The challenge for Venus in Scorpio may be to admit that they are vulnerable. This is so difficult for me as I don't want to admit feelings before the other person does.

But there is something liberating about taking the "plunge". Problem is, I can't move on as quickly as Aries when the feelings are not reciprocated. That's the hard part.

Being a fixed sign, I tend to "linger" in a sometimes creepy/inappropriate kind of way. Yikes!

Can someone teach a Scorpio Venus to let go gracefully when they have fallen in love with someone and consider that person their obsession? Anyone?

Perhaps that is why the gravitation towards another Scorpio Venus happens so often for me?

As trying as the relations can be,there is a sense of "understanding" of each others' obsessions, feelings and vulnerabilities. Few can compete with that(not even Cancer or Pisces Venus IME).

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I don't know if this good or bad, but I'm not scorpio Venus, my libra Venus is conjunct my Pluto on my AC
His Angel and Anteros are on my Pluto/AC and his Dejanira/Bless/Ceres is on my Venus but I'm not scorpio Venus.
My Lilith/Uranus/Kaali are tight on his Venus though, my gemini mars trines his scorp Venus
Mars gemini@29.33
Venus scorpio @1.50

What I've seen is I open up very easily with him...I've had at times with other ppl I become a brick wall and it ends the relationship, but when I tried to open up I was met with less than complete understanding for my needs.
When I opened up to him and told him more personal things, he was very kind and told me things about himself that I could tell was not comfortable for him.

Do you think because my Pluto/Venus gives the depth of my love style, but yet that depth is flowing through libra, a sign that put more importance on keeping the relationship peaceful more than hanging onto their personal security...which I assume is what scorpio Venus values.
We had been talking a lot, with him instigating most everything and saying he thinks he could fall in love so easily...then one day when I text him, he was very brief, he called me shortly after but again very brief....then I get no messages or calls at all for a day...so I didn't message or call him, I figured if he wanted to talk he would make the effort.
Next day my feelings are starting to get hurt....I didn't call or message until finally late in the afternoon I call him. He answers and quickly asks if I'm ok, I said ya...I'm just kind of sad I guess, where did you go? You just disappeared?
He paused and said, Oh no! Your right, I didn't call you yesterday!
He said are you mad? I said no, but I was afraid I would get mad, so I called first...because my feelings are kind of hurt.
Then he explained what had happened at his work, he had a straight 24 hour shift because of a mess up and he didn't have any time to stop to eat or anything else. He had crashed, falling asleep as soon as the emergency was over and had just woke up shortly before I called.
Then told me, I would not blow you off, if that's what your thinking, I'm not going to do that. Then he said but I really appreciate you calling and not getting upset...that's really a cool thing to learn about you, your very reasonable n don't get mad quickly.

posted March 27, 2014 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
@LucieLemonade
I have saggy Sun, libra Venus, gemini Mars
I've been single and can stay single for a long time buts it's more because I crave a very deep relationship, and very few ppl can give me that!
Even with all my "lacking depth" placemats with no staying power, that Pluto conjunct Venus changes it all!
I guess because libra/Venus is my chart ruler and the conjunction is on my AC angle, it's like my need for depth and solidarity in a relationship is imperative and one of the most important things in my life, I cannot settle for anything less. It's really hard to find though!

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I feel exactly the same way which is why I assumed I would never be in a long term relationship. I just assumed I'd never find that deep connection with some one.

I did! And it was surprising. We knew right away we'd be together a long time. And it was wonderful! Though after 15 yrs we realized as much as we love each other we're not "in love" any more and we are too young to be in an old couple friends only marriage.

He really is great and I still love and appreciate him. And it scares me that I won't find anyone like him or rather anyone I have this same connection with, someone who just instinctively understands me and I him. But that's life! And I'm hopeful. Though I'd really like my friends and family to stop telling me I'll never find anyone like him again.... Sigh.

posted March 27, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I feel exactly the same way which is why I assumed I would never be in a long term relationship. I just assumed I'd never find that deep connection with some one.

I did! And it was surprising. We knew right away we'd be together a long time. And it was wonderful! Though after 15 yrs we realized as much as we love each other we're not "in love" any more and we are too young to be in an old couple friends only marriage.

He really is great and I still love and appreciate him. And it scares me that I won't find anyone like him or rather anyone I have this same connection with, someone who just instinctively understands me and I him. But that's life! And I'm hopeful. Though I'd really like my friends and family to stop telling me I'll never find anyone like him again.... Sigh.

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I wish there was a way for you to turn up the heat with him, I've been looking for so long and it's such a hard thing to come by, that depth and someone who craves it is rare. I guess you already know though, using astrology you can look for ppl with scorp Venus or Pluto/Venus so you know they crave intimacy in a deep soul binding way like you.

I'm trying to think of other placements that do that, I would think Pluto trine Venus but I loved someone do deeply with an exact Pluto trine Venus and he gave me a lot of what I needed, it still wasn't at the same depth.
My Pluto/Venus conjunction isn't even tight, 7 degrees apart, and I'm pretty intense when in love...I'd hate to see someone with an exact conjunction.

I guess it's a lot about the fact that it's on an Angle and my chart ruler is involved, plus Jupiter is opposed, it sits exact in between my Pluto/Venus. That will also intensify the aspect by expanding the energy of Pluto/Venus.
Probably doesn't help any that my Eros/Valentine/IC are conjunct making a 1 degree square to my Pluto/AC.

posted March 27, 2014 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

We had been talking a lot, with him instigating most everything and saying he thinks he could fall in love so easily...then one day when I text him, he was very brief, he called me shortly after but again very brief....then I get no messages or calls at all for a day...so I didn't message or call him, I figured if he wanted to talk he would make the effort.
Next day my feelings are starting to get hurt....I didn't call or message until finally late in the afternoon I call him. He answers and quickly asks if I'm ok, I said ya...I'm just kind of sad I guess, where did you go? You just disappeared?
He paused and said, Oh no! Your right, I didn't call you yesterday!
He said are you mad? I said no, but I was afraid I would get mad, so I called first...because my feelings are kind of hurt.
Then he explained what had happened at his work, he had a straight 24 hour shift because of a mess up and he didn't have any time to stop to eat or anything else. He had crashed, falling asleep as soon as the emergency was over and had just woke up shortly before I called.
Then told me, I would not blow you off, if that's what your thinking, I'm not going to do that. Then he said but I really appreciate you calling and not getting upset...that's really a cool thing to learn about you, your very reasonable n don't get mad quickly.

I'm still trying to figure out if that was a test or was that real?
When someone shows their vulnerability with scorpio Venus, is it endearing to them and draws them closer to the person or do they use it against the person?

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posted March 27, 2014 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I didn't get any games or waiting whatsoever.
Direct and up front.

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posted March 28, 2014 07:20 AM            

My xhusband could go the whole day without calling me and I'd call him 6 times a day if I could.

It's too early. Just be yourself, try not to get emotional over things just yet and let's see what happens. Assume he is being straight but keep your ears open to what he is saying.

posted March 28, 2014 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by pocaloca:
@AscTaurus

Thank you for the honest answer to Gabby dear!
You explained Venus in Scorpio so well.

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