posted April 22, 2014 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I said "we" because we all do it, at some point or another. I've done it myself and I've seen almost everybody doing it. Not because there is something wrong with us, but because it's just part of the process.

Life, among other things, is also a process of learning what is best for us and, at the same time, becoming better partners.

And the truth is that many people, who haven't had the chance to have an example of what a good relationship is (for example, in their family) can settle for bad ones.

This doesn't mean that all people who haven't had a good model in their childhood are prone to bad relationships.

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posted April 22, 2014 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Sure, if we are talking about ourselves. Sometimes though people interested in astrology (not you specifically) can think they know better than the person living the experience because they see something in a chart.

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posted April 22, 2014 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
whether they base it upon astrology or not it is often the case that people outside the relationship/experience do see it much clearer than the person(s) in it, because we are all blinded from inside and outside observers can see it with detached emotion that actually provides valuable insight. whether the people who hear that insight want to listen or not (and usually they do not) is up to them

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I'm talking specifically about astrology.

posted April 23, 2014 05:01 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm talking specifically about astrology.

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posted April 23, 2014 05:03 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I need heavy Saturn-aspects. Even in friendships, they are invariably there, and those are the frienships that last the longest. I don`t experience it as "misery" though; it is sometimes exhausting, cause these relationships demand a lot of self-honesty, but at the same time it is a deeply fulfilling thing as well.

So give me those squares, oppositions, conjunctions, inconjuncts to Sun or Moon - I take them gladly. Without them chances are I donīt find any good reason to stay.

I suppose that is where people are different. Yes, I get it, it is called heavy or bad synastry, but in terms of my luminaries I need those and find them very worthwhile (maybe cause my Moon is exactly inconjunct Saturn).

However, keep those Saturn-aspects away from my Mars, Neptune, NN or ASC. They are so draining and depressing!
(my Mars, Neptune, NN and ASC are in Sagittarius, conjunct each other and square Jupiter - they certainly do not like some heavy Saturn pressing them down, and actually the hars Saturn-transits to these points are much more depressing and painful than anything Tr Pluto ever did to me - and he was transiting all my personal planets, starting with a square to Moon-, more depressing than a Saturn-transit to my Sun or Moon, though the square to Sun was REALLY harsh; Saturn to Moon was surprisingly okay, though.)

So what really is bad synastry?

In my observation (but this does not have to be valid for everyone else) it is not a certain SAturn or Uranus or Neptune aspcts (though let`s face it, they ARE demanding), but harsh transits that clash with our natal make up.

And the same is true for synastry. The smooth aspect, well they usually doīt hurt that much, but if there are harsh aspects in synastry, it really depends what kind of person we are natally and if the natal make up gets confirmed and emphasized (though sometimes too much) or if there is a serious clash.

For example no matter how exciting and thrilling, I can`t deal with anyone`s Uranus squaring my Venus. It is exciting for the moment, but it leaves my Venus seriously dissatisfied if that is all there is.
Venus is in Cappy square Pluto.
If there is Uranus, there needs to be SAturn and/ or Pluto as well, or it is just, it leaves me strangely cold inside. It does not hit my frequency.

However, someone`s Uranus squaring my Moon? Piece of cake! Give it to me, love it, finally someone who is not emotionally clingy and expects me to act more feminine. Okay, probably he will not be around that often, but I can fill up my time pretty well on my own, and get claustrophobic, if I feel I HAVE to share emotionally with someone who is around ALL THE TIME.
I can share a lot - on my terms, and I am not really that keen on a symbiotic relationship, so that Uranus square would actually speak a lot to my Aquarius-Moon.

However for someone with Cancer - Moon conjunct Saturn, Venus and Pluto, such an Uranus-square to their Moon might easily be simply dreadful. They would feel abandoned easily, or not being "fed" emotionally.

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posted April 23, 2014 07:15 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, Lucie, people do come to an astrologer because they think he/she can give them some insight, can see things more clearly Hence, the OP.

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Oy vey. You are missing my point. So, moving on...

posted April 23, 2014 07:19 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great post, Ceri! Very well said, there are no bad aspects, one's bad aspect is someone else's good aspect and viceversa.

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posted April 23, 2014 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
I would luuurrrvee it if somebody would give me their. take on some of our aspects.
Green smiley : ))

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posted April 23, 2014 07:33 AM              

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Oy vey. You are missing my point. So, moving on...

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posted April 23, 2014 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Put 'em up.
You could probably put up the syn chart. But I don't know if Randall will make you put that in personal readings.

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posted April 23, 2014 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think you just had to have the last word

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Ummm couldn't I say the same for you?

But since we are not understanding each other there is no point in me trying to explain any more.

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
Thankkkkk uuuu LL : ) the chart is on the first page. The link. I don't know to post a chart : (( will post the link again.

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posted April 23, 2014 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Maybe the orb strength of the positive aspects are enough to overcome the negative ones?

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posted April 23, 2014 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Is it? The first page was a long time ago! lol.

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posted April 23, 2014 09:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have a hard time opening up photos in PhotoBucket. And can you take out the asteroids? There's too much in there. To view so tiny.

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posted April 23, 2014 09:50 AM              

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
Awww Lucie Lemonade : ) Saturn aspects? OMG my Saturn sits on his descendant : (
We also don't have any of those cute lovey dovey aspects. King of cups did a short reading n said it's not long term n then I told him I'm already married to the guy. Rofl! Actually we r happy together with those occasional crappy behaviour from my side.

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posted April 23, 2014 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
BTW, if you don't have lovey-dovey aspects, I don't know who has...you have Moon/Venus DW and Moon/Neptune DW

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posted April 23, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
How to find out the orb strength?
I believe what keeps us together is my Saturn on his desc!

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posted April 23, 2014 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
We do??awwww wow. I thought he is great as such. Not just to me.
N yes he stabilizes me in a biggg way. N I do throw tantrums and expect loads of excitement. N I believe I demand too much from him.

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My x stabilized me too. It's a very good thing, IMO. It's Saturn. Maybe others don't want that in a relationship.

Perhaps you have to find excitement in your life and maybe not expect it from him. Or maybe you need to generate the excitement for the both of you.