posted May 12, 2014 02:47 PM              

Here's what I have with Virgo guy:

Mirroring:

My IC dispositor in 4th/co-dispositor in Cancer
His IC dispositor in Cancer

My MC in Taurus
His MC dispositor in 2nd

My MC dispositor in Libra
His MC dispositor in Libra

My MC dispositor in 3rd
His MC in Gemini

My Asc in Leo
His Asc conjunct Sun

My Asc dispositor in Virgo
His Asc in Virgo

My Asc dispositor in 2nd
His Asc dispositor in 2nd

My Desc in Aqua
His Desc co-dispositor in 11th

My Desc dispositor in Capricorn
His Desc dispositor in Capricorn

My Desc co-dispositor in Pisces
His Desc in Pisces

My Sun in Virgo
His Sun in Virgo

My Sun's dispositor in 2nd house
His Sun's dispositor in 2nd house

My Sun sextile Moon/Mars
His Sun conjunct Moon/Mars

My Sun sextile Jupiter
His Sun sextile Jupiter

My Sun opposite Saturn
His Sun trine Saturn

My Moon conjunct Mars
His Moon conjunct Mars
His Moon in 1st

My Mercury quindecile Saturn
His Mercury square Saturn

My Mercury in 2nd
His Mercury in 2nd

My Mercury trine Uranus
His Mercury square Uranus

My Mercury trine Neptune
His Mercury square Neptune

My Venus in Libra
His Venus in Libra

My Venus square Neptune
His Venus square Neptune

My Venus in 3rd
His Venus conjunct Mercury

My Mars in Cancer
His Mars conjunct Moon

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Complementing (Lock/Key):

My IC dispositor in 4th
His IC dispositor in 10th

My Asc in Leo
His Desc dispositor in 5th

My Desc dispositor in 6th
His Asc in Virgo

My Desc dispositor in Capricorn
His Desc co-dispositor in Cancer

My Sun in Virgo
His Sun in 12th

My Sun in 2nd house
His Sun sextile Pluto

My Sun in Virgo
His Moon in Virgo

My Sun's dispositor in 2nd
His Moon's dispositor in 2nd

My Sun sextile Mars
His Moon conjunct Mars

My Moon conjunct Mars
His Sun conjunct Mars

My Moon trine Jupiter
His Sun sextile Jupiter

My Moon trine Saturn
His Sun trine Saturn

My Moon quindecile Neptune
His Sun trine Neptune

My Moon conjunct Mars
His Sun conjunct Asc

My Moon/Mars in 11th
His Moon/Mars conjunct Sun

My Mars in 12th
His Mars in Virgo

My Venus square Neptune
His Mars in Virgo

My Venus in Libra
His Mars dispositor in Libra

posted May 12, 2014 02:49 PM              

1) could this same principle be applied to Draconic charts? Or even Helio charts? But of course in Helio charts there are no house positions so it wouldn't work that well right?

posted May 12, 2014 03:12 PM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
A few questions though:

1) could this same principle be applied to Draconic charts? Or even Helio charts? But of course in Helio charts there are no house positions so it wouldn't work that well right?

2) would my Venus square Neptune and his Desc in Pisces be considered a mirroring?

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Additional pairs could be found in Draconic too, yes, why not? For me the reason to look at a Draconic synastry is to see what other aspects come into play if the two of them "align" their life path. Normally this happens in the case of a couple when they are together, whatever the purpose for this might be. The Draconic aspects are an addition to the tropical synastry for me. It's as if the Draconic shows how tropical might evolve, like a progression of the tropical synastry. So, if you're looking for those pairs, I think you should do it with this in mind.

I think your Venus square Neptune goes very well with his Pisces DSC, a mirroring aspect, yes.

posted May 12, 2014 03:15 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Additional pairs could be found in Draconic too, yes, why not? For me the reason to look at a Draconic synastry is to see what other aspects come into play if the two of them "align" their life path. Normally this happens in the case of a couple when they are together, whatever the purpose for this might be. The Draconic aspects are an addition to the tropical synastry for me. It's as if the Draconic shows how tropical might evolve, like a progression of the tropical synastry. So, if you're looking for those pairs, I think you should do it with this in mind.

I think your Venus square Neptune goes very well with his Pisces DSC, a mirroring aspect, yes.

Helio too...in fact, I think looking for these pairs (similarity vs. complementarity) is a fundamental part of any comparison.

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posted May 12, 2014 03:37 PM              

And as you know, we haven't even met lol, but I still feel its effects strongly.

The tight Venus-Mars-Moon conjunction double whammy in our draco-draco and draco-natal synastry is difficult to ignore.

posted May 12, 2014 03:47 PM              

But this is how I read it, other people have different views on Draco charts.

posted May 12, 2014 04:02 PM              

The NN however itself depicts the relation between Sun, Moon and Earth.

Beside all other possible interpretations I find that to be quite siginficant; there is a very allencompassing connectedness of Spirit, Soul and body depicted in it.

Maybe that is what our path is really about, bringing these three ingredients together.

The Draco chart is more than just a past life chart, it is a lifepath-chart, yes, but at the same time reflective of a deep part of ourselves, our soul.

posted May 12, 2014 04:50 PM              

you asked me to elaborate on the difference between complementarity and polarity in the other thread, but I think it really belongs here.

Now, there are two main complementary pairings, YIN and YANG in the major planets.

Sun-Moon
Venus-Mars

One Yang-masculine-expressive, the other Yin-feminine-receptive.

Now, they are complements, but no oppositions; maybe the term polarity for oppositions is a wrong choice, but I don`t quite know how to name it differently than "oppositions".

The thing is oppositions in the zodiac, like Sagittarius-Gemini, Aquarius-Leo and the others do NOT connect complementary pairings with each other, at least not in relation to the signbackground.

In fact the signbackground of oppositions is doubled, double Yang-masculine-expressive or double Yin-feminine-receptive, but not the union of Yin and Yang.

Also Venus-Mars in terms of the house-circle is a confusing one. Of course 1st and 7th house are on a polar axis, and hence opposite each other, and coincidentally putting one Yin and one Yang planet together, though the signbackground Aries-Libra is Yang in both cases, no complementing in this case.

However if we start with Sun and Moon as basic Yin-Yang pairing. They are NOT on a polar axis. They are actually ruling neighbouring hosues/ signs, 4th and 5th.

If we look ery closely this is even true for Venus-Mars, as they also rule neighbouring houses (beside the polar axis), 1st and 2nd, and using traditional rulership, which is very valid as a matter of fact, 7th and 8th.

I DO think that oppositions are a big attraction factor, however they are different from the union of Yin and Yang.

Interstingly the antiscion/ contrascion (which often comes with the parallel/ contraparallel, too, as oftentimes do semisextiles btw. Isn`t that interesting? But maybe only in Cap and Sag. I haven`t checked that yet. ).

Anyway the antiscion/ contrascion do actually mirror positions in signs with a Yin-Yang-background, and each grouping of antiscion/ contrascion covers ALL elements.

Aries-Virgo= Libra-Pisces
Leo-Taurus = Aquarius - Scorpio
Sagittarius-Capricorn = Gemini - Cancer

posted May 12, 2014 05:02 PM              

SIAMESE:

(1)

° both Sun in Sag
° my Moondispositor in 10th - his Moon in 10th

° both Venus in Cap
° my Mars in Sag - his Marsdispositor in Sag

° my ASC in Sag - his ASC-ruler in Sag
° my ASC-ruler in Pisces - his ASC in Pisces
° my DESC-ruler in Sag - his DESC-ruler in Sag

° my IC-ruelr in Sag - his IC-ruler in Sag

(2) "polar mirroring"?

° my Sundispositor in Pisces - his Sundispositor in Virgo
° my Sundisp in 3rd - his Sun in 9th

° my Venusdisp in Cancer - his Venus in Cap
° my Venus in 1st - his VEnusdisp in 7th
° my Marsdisp in Pisces - his Mars in Virgo
° my Mars in 12th - his Mars in 6th
° my Marsdisp in 3rd - his Marsdisp cusp 9th

° my ASC-ruler in 3rd - his ASCruler in 9th
° my DESC in Gemini - his DESC-ruler in Sag

° my IC-ruler in Sag - his IC in Gemini

KEY-AND-LOCK

(1)
° my Sun in Sag - his Moon in Sag

° my Venusdisp in 8th - his Marsdisp in 8th

° my ASC in Sag - his DESC-ruler in Sag
° my DESCruler in Sag - his ASC-ruler in Sag

° my IC-ruler in Sag - his MC in Sag

(2) double polarity

° my Sundisp in Pisces - his Moon-disp in Virgo
° my Moon in 2nd - his Sundis in 8th

° my Marsdisp in Pisces - his Venusdisp in Virgo

° my ASCruler in Pisces - his DESC in Virgo
° my DESC in Gemini - his ASC-ruler in Sag
° my ASC-ruler in 3rd - his DESCruler in 9th

posted May 12, 2014 05:33 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

you asked me to elaborate on the difference between complementarity and polarity in the other thread, but I think it really belongs here.

Now, there are two main complementary pairings, YIN and YANG in the major planets.

Sun-Moon
Venus-Mars

One Yang-masculine-expressive, the other Yin-feminine-receptive.

Now, they are complements, but no oppositions; maybe the term polarity for oppositions is a wrong choice, but I don`t quite know how to name it differently than "oppositions".

The thing is oppositions in the zodiac, like Sagittarius-Gemini, Aquarius-Leo and the others do NOT connect complementary pairings with each other, at least not in relation to the signbackground.

In fact the signbackground of oppositions is doubled, double Yang-masculine-expressive or double Yin-feminine-receptive, but not the union of Yin and Yang.

Also Venus-Mars in terms of the house-circle is a confusing one. Of course 1st and 7th house are on a polar axis, and hence opposite each other, and coincidentally putting one Yin and one Yang planet together, though the signbackground Aries-Libra is Yang in both cases, no complementing in this case.

However if we start with Sun and Moon as basic Yin-Yang pairing. They are NOT on a polar axis. They are actually ruling neighbouring hosues/ signs, 4th and 5th.

If we look ery closely this is even true for Venus-Mars, as they also rule neighbouring houses (beside the polar axis), 1st and 2nd, and using traditional rulership, which is very valid as a matter of fact, 7th and 8th.

I DO think that oppositions are a big attraction factor, however they are different from the union of Yin and Yang.

Interstingly the antiscion/ contrascion (which often comes with the parallel/ contraparallel, too, as oftentimes do semisextiles btw. Isn`t that interesting? But maybe only in Cap and Sag. I haven`t checked that yet. ).

Anyway the antiscion/ contrascion do actually mirror positions in signs with a Yin-Yang-background, and each grouping of antiscion/ contrascion covers ALL elements.

Aries-Virgo= Libra-Pisces
Leo-Taurus = Aquarius - Scorpio
Sagittarius-Capricorn = Gemini - Cancer

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Brilliant points, Ceri. It slipped my mind the connection between semisextiles and declinations, no wonder there are so many semisextile patterns in famous couples.
And your observation about antisicia/contraantisica provides a great explanation as to why horizontal aspects are so important in soulmate connections. They are basically Yin Yang connections.

I think the complementarity of normal oppositions (sign/house oppositions) is not Yin Yang per se, as you so very well explained, it comes from the integration of opposites, which has a paradoxical nature: the opposing signs are similar but opposed/contrary at the same time. Their coming together is a mythical integration within the zodiacal circle.

For example, when I see a couple with him having Venus in Gemini and her Venus in Sag, we have here the similarities and the polarity (contrariety) of the two signs in terms of tastes, values, behavior in love etc. If those two Venuses are not connected in an opposition aspect (opposed just by sign) maybe the differences will play out more. But if you have an aspect, Venus opposed Venus by orb, then we can say these two have the chance with their relationship for the integration of opposites within the signs Gemini/Sag.

So basically we identified two types of complementarity:

1. Yin/Yang integration as masculine vs. feminine
2. integration of opposites, an "asexual" one, so to speak

polar mirroring? why not? although I wonder if integration of opposites is not another type of key and lock, glueing the circle together? well, not that the category matters that much

posted April 01, 2017 03:41 AM            

As all the synastry oppositions suggest, we are totally different people but perhaps under the surface we aren't as different as you first think?

Key to lock; My venus is conjunct mercury, his mars conjunct mercury. Venus both in our 10th Houses. There's more pairs in the declinations chart.

Here's our natals, his first (he's aqua sun) and mine 2nd (I'm Pisces sun).

As a side note, the hard Venus Saturn aspect (repeated in declinations) is showing itself in true form with culture differences for starters.

I also think it might be unrequited on his part, he seems slightly interested but resisting any committed relationship...ho hum!

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My natal below;

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posted April 01, 2017 08:48 AM            

Great in-depth discussion!