posted May 09, 2014 10:15 AM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
Wow, i don't know where did the blue heart came from!

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posted May 09, 2014 10:31 AM            

Both got pisces moon
both got cancer ascendant
I have sun conjunction mars
He has sun trine mars

I have venus sextile uranus
He has venus square uranus

He has mercury trine saturn
I have mercury square saturn

He has moon square mars
I have moon opposition mars

posted May 09, 2014 10:33 AM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
There's synastry in the title and I see mostly natal stuff here So, in synastry: Man's Jupiter trine woman's Venus and woman's Jupiter trine man's Mars is an ideal, right? And less ideally the other way round or different aspects, right?

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It is about synastry, Cappy, about the comparison between natal pairs, but not in the sense of cross aspects (synastric aspects).

About your example:
Yes, when one has Sun/planet, the other Moon/planet, or one has Venus/planet, the other Mars/planet, we are talking about real complementarity here.

For the second part of your question, no:

it doesn't have to be the same aspect, on the contrary, it could be better to have a mixture, like:

One has Venus conjunct Jupiter, the other has Mars sextile Jupiter.

Or one has Sun trine Saturn, the other has Moon opposite Saturn.

or both hard/ both soft

posted May 09, 2014 10:42 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Very interesting, Ceri, with your ruler theme...how it all fits...reinforcing the theme. It really is like a spiderweb underneath the most visible aspects.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:46 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I totally agree. The best combination with a more difficult (psychologically) hard aspect - like Saturn or Pluto to Moon or Venus - is the other partner coming with a soft aspect between those two planets, teaching the other, by their interaction, how to integrate the hard aspect in the psyche, since soft aspects are mostly psychological while the hard ones, being actional, are sometimes more difficult to integrate in one's psychology in a harmonious manner.

What I meant is it doesn't have to be "both having a hard aspect" or "both having a soft aspect". On the contrary, as Ceri says, hard and soft can be very complementary.

Of course it's not bad to have hard/hard and soft/soft either, depending on the planets involved. For example, someone with Mars square Pluto can be complementary with someone with Mars square Pluto or Mars opp. Pluto, if the hard aspects are well integrated within the individual, so that they won't beat each other to death. Instead, they could have the same physical stamina and strength for a variety of activities.

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150% Agreed. :thumsup:

posted May 09, 2014 10:52 AM              

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Me and my s.o.

Both got pisces moon
both got cancer ascendant
I have sun conjunction mars
He has sun trine mars

I have venus sextile uranus
He has venus square uranus

He has mercury trine saturn
I have mercury square saturn

He has moon square mars
I have moon opposition mars

could go on

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posted May 09, 2014 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hope I didn't make you sad

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posted May 09, 2014 12:15 PM            

We seem to have mostly the "Siamese" type, but perhaps the "key and lock" ones are enough to be significant, even though "minor" aspects seem to dominate?

I'll include the orbs, as some of them are wide, but then again some of them are quite close:

"Siamese"

Me: Sun square Uranus (7)
Him: Sun semisextile Uranus (1)
Me: Sun semisquare Pluto (2)
Him: Sun square Pluto (7)

Me: Moon opposite Mercury (9)
Him: Moon trine Mercury (4)
Me: Moon semisextile Jupiter (1)
Him: Moon semisquare Jupiter (1)
Me: Moon bQ Pluto (1)
Him: Moon bQ Pluto (1)

Me: Mercury opposite Saturn (5)
Him: Mercury square Saturn (7)
Me: Mercury semisextile Neptune (1)
Him: Mercury quincunx Neptune (2)
Me: Mercury semisextile Pluto (1)
Him: Mercury square Pluto (0)

Me: Venus quintile Mars (1)
Him: Venus conjunct Mars (3)
Me: Venus quintile Uranus (1)
Him: Venus sextile Uranus (2)
Me: Venus semisextile Neptune (2)
Him: Venus opposite Neptune (8)
Me: Venus semisextile Pluto (0)
Him: Venus trine Pluto (6)

Me: Mars square Jupiter (1)
Him: Mars quincunx Jupiter (2)

"Key and Lock"

Me: Mars sextile Sun (2)
Him: Venus semisextile Sun (0)
Me: Venus quintile Uranus (1)
Him: Mars sextile Uranus (1)
Me: Venus semisextile Neptune (2)
Him: Mars semisquare Neptune (1)
Me: Mars square Jupiter (1)
Him: Venus bQ Jupiter (0)

Me: Moon opposite Mercury (9)
Him: Sun conjunct Mercury (7)
Me: Moon opposite Venus (7)
Him: Sun semisextile Venus (0)

posted May 09, 2014 04:39 PM              

Me chart ruler Saturn, final dispositor Venus-Mercury mutual reception/him chart ruler Mercury, final dispositor Venus-Uranus mutual reception ( I like this one, since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury)

Me Sun in Virgo/him Sun in 6th/ASC in Virgo

Me Sun/Stellium/Venus in 8th/MC in Scorpio/him Moon in Scorpio/ASC conjunct Pluto/Sun quindecile Pluto

Me ASC in Capricorn, Saturn conjunct DSC/him Saturn square ASC/DSC and Saturn square Sun, Saturn conjunct MC

Me Venus square Neptune
Him Venus sextile Neptune
Him Mars opposite Neptune

Me Venus opposite Jupiter
Him Mars square Jupiter

Me Mars conjunct Pluto
Me Venus semisextile/parallel Pluto
Him Mars trine Pluto
Him Venus trine Pluto

Me Mercury quincunx Jupiter
Him Mercury conjunct Jupiter

Me Mercury square Saturn
Him Mercury trine Saturn

In Synastry:

apart from DW,

Sun opposite Sun/Moon square Moon

my Venus square his Neptune
his Mars opposite my Neptune

my Venus opposite his Jupiter
his Mars square my Jupiter

my Mars conjunct his Pluto
his Venus trine my Pluto

my Mars quincunx his Mercury
his Venus trine my Mercury

Venus quincunx Venus
Mars trine Mars

posted May 10, 2014 06:30 AM              

But here's the comparison with the Pluto man:

Siamese aspects:
Me: Sun conjunct Mercury in SAG (0)
Him: Sun conjunct Mercury in SAG (0)
In Composite Sun conjunct Mercury in SAG (no surprise )
Me: Venus sextile Moon in a Kite (0)
Him: Venus quincunx Moon in a Yod (0)
In Composite Venus sesquisquadrate Moon in a Thor’s Hammer
Me: Sun trine Mars (2)
Him: Sun square Mars (8)
In the composite Sun quindecile Mars (2 – too wide maybe)
Me: Venus semisextile Sun (0)
Him: Venus semisquare Sun (2)
In the Composite Venus conjunct Sun (6)
Me: Mars square Neptune (2)
Him: Mars square Neptune (3)
In Composite Mars opposite Neptune (0)
Me: Mars biquintile Pluto (0)
Him: Mars semisextile Pluto (2)
In Composite Mars trine Pluto (2)
Me: Venus conjunct Pluto (3)
Him: Venus square Pluto (5)
In Composite Venus semisquare Pluto (0)
Me: Moon trine ASC (2)
Him: Moon trine ASC (6)
In Composite Moon opposite ASC (5)
Asteroids:
Me: Briede trine Groom (1)
Me: Moira sextile Briede (0)
Me: Moira sextile Groom (0)
Him: Briede trine Groom (2)
Him: Moira sextile Briede (2)
Him: Moira opposite Groom (4)
Composite: Briede conjunct Moira (1), Briede trine Groom (0)
Me: Priapus conjunct AntiVertex (0)
Him: Priapus conjunct Vertex (2)
Composite: Priapus square Vertex (1)

Complimentary aspects:

Me: Moon trine Saturn (8)
Him: Sun sextile Saturn (0)

Me: Venus sextile Neptune (0)
Him: Mars square Neptune (2)

We both have Venus – Mars aspecting Pluto in natal and composite.

Me: Moon opposite North Node (0)
Him: Saturn square North Node (2)
No Composite aspects from Nodal axis to those two, although Moon trine Saturn (9)

Me: Groom conjunct Isis (3)
Him: Groom conjunct Osiris (1)
Composite: Groom conjunct Isis (2), conjunct Osiris (9)
This is too wide orb max for asteroids, so I’ll look at something else:

Me: Vertex conjunct Osiris (1)
Him: Vertex quincunx Isis (1)
In the Composite, no aspects between Vertex and those two. Something that I noticed but not sure it means anything: Composite Osiris conjunct Pluto (0) in Scorpio, Isis conjunct Demeter (1) in Libra and they’re 11 degrees apart from each other. The midpoint between Composite Osiris/Isis is on 29 Libra/Aries axis, near Composite BML at 0 Scorpio who, in turn, quindecile Priapus 16 Taurus.

Anw, the comparison in natal and in composite for me reinforce what I believe, that we attract our mirror like a chance-given to work our issues out. Of course the mirror reflects what we perceive as bad in us or else how would we notice and acknowledge them. But the mirror also reflect what we see as good, or else why would we stay and work the issues out . So it all comes down to the natal chart and how we use it.

posted May 10, 2014 08:53 AM              

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

Siamese
Her Sun opposite Neptune
Him Sun square Neptune

Her Moon trine Pluto
Him Moon sextile Pluto

Her Venus quincunx Moon
Him Venus trine Moon

Key-to-lock

Her Sun conjunct Mercury
Him Moon square Mercury

Her Moon trine Pluto
Him Sun trine Pluto

Her Moon square Jupiter
Him Sun sextile Jupiter

Lauren Bacall/Bogie

Siamese

Her Sun quincunx Mars
Him Sun conjunct Mars

Her Moon sextile Mars
Him Moon square Mars

Her Venus trine Jupiter
Him Venus sextile Jupiter

Her Mercury opposite Uranus
Him Mercury conjunct Uranus

Key-to-lock

Her Sun opposite Uranus
Him Moon sextile Uranus

Her Moon opposite Saturn
Him Sun conjunct Saturn

Her Moon trine Neptune
Him Sun opposite Neptune

Linda/Paul McCartney

Siamese

Her Sun conjunct Neptune
Him Sun square Neptune, Neptune conjunct ASC

Her Moon conjunct Venus, Venus conjunct ASC
Him Moon square Venus

Key-to-lock

Her Venus square Pluto
Him Mars conjunct Pluto

He has 6 planets connected to his Neptune on ASC, she has Sun conjunct Neptune (3 deg), ruler of 5th, dispo. conjunct her own ASC.

For Paul Newman/Joanne Woodward, check Ceri's great thread on the same matter:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209893.html

posted May 10, 2014 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Do you have the 2nd and 3rd category too?

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key to lock
he got sun square uranus
I have moon square uranus
(I think these aspects are very important for our basic understanding of each other)

He got sun square neptune (very tight)
I got mercury (my chart ruler) square neptune (the tightest aspect in my whole chart)
I also think this is very important cause we have probably both been through some hard neptunian times and have learned how to handle some of the tricky things neptune can bring into our relationship (we also got sun square neptune in synastry)

He has moon trine pluto only 1 degree
I have venus conjunction pluto 9 degree
Don't know if it counts, but I think it's really important too, cause he understands my need for emotional intimacy and vice versa, it is a great mutual bond (we also got moon trine pluto in synastry)

Then there is the last category, where I don't think we have much, cause overall he doesn't got as many aspect as me in his natal chart

He has sun and mars sextile jupiter
I got venus trine jupiter
He likes to spread joy everywhere he goes, and I like to spread my joy to him haha!

He got sun, venus and mercury in 5th house
I got venus and pluto in 5th house
He is happy and outgoing and I am introverted but I transform and feel joy through him, which makes me outgoing in his presence

His ascendant and MC is badly aspected, so he can have troubles getting through the ice, but my ascendant and MC are well aspected and I have sun conjunction mars, so I boost his ego and make him more daring in my presence

We compliment each other I think

posted May 10, 2014 10:07 AM            

In my theory, Person A has an aspect in the natal chart, and Person B has a natal planet in aspect to either of those planets in As chart.

Examples:

Paul & Linda

Linda has Sun conj Neptune, Paul's Neptune conjuncts Linda's Neptune.

key-to-lock

Paul's Neptune becomes the key that unlocks the Sun/Neptune in Linda's chart.

My Grandparents

He has Sun conj Mars in Gemini. She has Sun in Gemini.

key-to-lock

posted May 10, 2014 10:38 AM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
I'm working on a similar key-to-lock theory.

In my theory, Person A has an aspect in the natal chart, and Person B has a natal planet in aspect to either of those planets in As chart.

Examples:

[b]Paul & Linda

Linda has Sun conj Neptune, Paul's Neptune conjuncts Linda's Neptune.

key-to-lock

Paul's Neptune becomes the key that unlocks the Sun/Neptune in Linda's chart.

My Grandparents

He has Sun conj Mars in Gemini. She has Sun in Gemini.

key-to-lock

Her Sun becomes the key that unlocks his Sun/Mars conjunction.[/B]

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Interesting theory...I'm working on some theories regarding "activation" and "triggering" too.

However, I think in the cases you mention, it is hard to believe Linda and your grandpa hadn't felt their Sun conjunction until the arrival of the partner. Sun conjunct Mars, Sun conjunct Neptune would be felt with or without a partner.

IMO, it has to be some standby condition with that planet to say that someone comes and triggers it.

One of the classic cases would be interception, I think. Other "standbys": unaspected, singletons, planets in 12th.

For example, I have both Sun and Moon directly and indirectly intercepted in my chart.

Aquarius/Leo intercepted in 1st/7th.
Moon - 7th house ruler intercepted in Leo 7th house.
Sun, Moon's dispositor, second ruler of 7th, indirectly intercepted.

I'd say in this case, the full "light" of both my luminaries should be triggered by someone:

- activating Aquarius/Leo with some personal planets there.
- at the same time aspecting both Sun and Moon (like with a Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC/DSC opposing/conjunct my Moon quincunx my Sun, for example)

But in the case you mention, they definitely enhance each other through those conjunctions. Plus, it's a point of similarity.

For example, Paul's Neptune (his artistic side) should enhance Linda's. Linda could also protect Paul's "dreamy, creative' side with her Sun and put it in a greater "light".

posted May 10, 2014 03:20 PM            

Maybe it's not neccessarily something new, since it's always emphasised how in synastry you must also look at the two natal charts separately and find similarities, prevailing themes, planets etc, but now we finally have it summed up in a nice little scheme, so again thanks for it. And with secundary houses and all (what not!) I'm just starting to realize the complexity of synastry, we can't simply limit it to aspects between charts.

So, when it comes to my personal experience, my »synastries«, there is one particular that stands out, because the »classic« synastric aspects aren't that outstanding and don't fully explain the connection I feel with him.

Siamese pairs

Sun Conjunct/Square Uranus
Moon Sextile/Square Venus
Moon Sextile/Conjunct Uranus

Key-to-Lock

HIS Sun conjunct Uranus/ MY Moon conjunct Uranus
Sun inconjunct Chiron/Moon inconjunct Chiron
Moon inconjunct Jupiter/Sun sextile Jupiter
Moon sextile Uranus/Sun square Uranus
Moon sextile Neptune/Sun square Neptune
Venus inconjunct Jupiter/Mars sextile Jupiter
Venus conjunct Neptune/Mars inconjunct Neptune
Mars trine Saturn/Venus trine Saturn
Mars sextile Chiron/Venus sextile Chiron

Complementary synastric pairs
(I hope I've done it correctly, it's actually not that easy and some things are just a repetitions from the two previous categories)

(My) Sun square (his) Mercury
Mercury opposite Moon

Sun trine Mars
Mars square Moon

Sun sextile Chiron
Chiron inconjunct Moon

Chiron inconjunct Sun
Moon inconjunct Chiron

Sun square Uranus
Uranus sextile Moon

Venus square Sun
Mars Square Moon

Hehe, no need to feedback this synastry, just writing this down, exercising my rusty brain was by itself satsfactory

posted May 10, 2014 03:44 PM              

If you're interested in the matter, there's another great thread compiled by Ceridwen called Mirrors and Complements, the link in the "famous" examples post in this thread.

posted May 11, 2014 05:54 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you for your kind words, Belba. Sun/Venus in Virgo here, you were right

If you're interested in the matter, there's another great thread compiled by Ceridwen called Mirrors and Complements, the link in the "famous" examples post in this thread.

You have a very Uranian/Chirotic compilation the two of you. If you like, maybe you can check your 11th harmonics ( 11th harmonics and Twinflames thread)

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Yes, the relationship is very Uranian and Chirotic, that's why I'm so affected by it, being strongly Uranian and having both of the two "love" planets - Moon and Venus aspected by Chiron. Oh well, things are complicated, no doubt about that

posted May 11, 2014 08:50 AM            

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Interesting theory...I'm working on some theories regarding "activation" and "triggering" too.

However, I think in the cases you mention, it is hard to believe Linda and your grandpa hadn't felt their Sun conjunction until the arrival of the partner. Sun conjunct Mars, Sun conjunct Neptune would be felt with or without a partner.

IMO, it has to be some standby condition with that planet to say that someone comes and triggers it.

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While the natal conjunctions in above examples were fully integrated in the personalities, another person making an aspect to them makes that person seem attractive/familiar/comfortable.

posted May 11, 2014 10:38 AM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
While the natal conjunctions in above examples were fully integrated in the personalities, another person making an aspect to them makes that person seem attractive/familiar/comfortable.

My theory is in line with the thinking that women project their Sun/Mars, and men their Moon/Venus. Both genders will behave in a manner consistent with whatever sign those planets are in, but nonetheless something will be projected. Thus, the most attractive people will aspect something and act as agents for something that already within.

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I agree with projection, good point.
Although oftentimes nothing can compare, in terms of attraction, with a man's Sun and Mars being aspected by a woman's planets, especially the "feminine" ones (Moon and Venus) and viceversa, a woman will be very attracted to a man aspecting her feminine planets, especially with his masculine ones. But I agree with you, it all depends on the combinations already present in the natal.

posted May 11, 2014 01:27 PM            

I know a couple with a classical key-to-lock pair.

Venus conj Pluto, she
Mars conj Pluto, he...

posted May 12, 2014 01:45 PM            

I finally feel like I found some answers to back up a connection I've been trying to figure out. Not that I didn't trust my own instinct but being a bit of an astro freak it's great to see astrology match up to what I'm feeling.