posted June 06, 2014 11:45 PM            

Saturn in capricorn conjunct uranus and neptune in capricorn in the 8th house which is opposing jupiter and chiron in the 2nd and having pluto transiting the 8th crossing his saturn/uranus/neptune in cap conjunction..

posted June 07, 2014 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Interesting....I like.

Someone who commits suicide has not awaken to the lie of separateness; I would say is this lie that in a way leads to this sort of scape; self induced death.

Or maybe the karma for this life was too much for the person to handle...

Or maybe self induced death was the souls way to stop feeling separate and reunite with everything??

How does your philosophy view the concept of twinflames and soulmates?? Does your philosophy feel there is another half or just many soulmates? curious...

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posted June 07, 2014 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
In astrology a soulmate is merely someone who has great teaching potential for your soul. A soulmate can be an enemy, a friend or a lover. As for suicide I personally don't believe that it is always the wrong choice. I think that if suicide is a choice taken from a place of acceptance rather than a place of avoidance than it may have it's place. For example- if you're going to die soon anyway with your body going through extreme pain than a person may consciously choose suicide not because they are trying to avoid karma (which will only roll over to the next life anyway) but because they are trying to avoid the physical pain which comes from the body (which will perish at the end of this life and not roll over). But commiting suicide because you feel lonely or poor will not solve anything because you will only be required to deal with these things again in your next life, until your karma with them is up.- At least that's the idea behind karma anyway.

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Great way of putting it, I like how you view it..

So I see you do belief in soulmates, but what about twin flames? What are your thoughts on that?

posted June 29, 2014 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Emily033:
12th house stellium is tough

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IDK his time of birth but based on his personality, interests and how he looks I think he has Taurus rising or capricorn rising...He was very reserved and kept a lot in but smiled a lot (sag sun with libra moon).

I am noticing the week he committed suicide and passed away there was a pluto conjunct saturn doubly whammy:

Transit pluto conjunct his Natal Saturn
Transit Saturn conjunct his natal pluto

In addition notice he has 4 tsquares between moon, jupiter and a stellium involving saturn and neptune in the 8th or in the 12th (he is either cap rising or taurus rising).

We saw a lot of potential in him but his jupiter forming all those tsquares and chiron falling in the house jupiter is in must have meant he did not see the potential we saw...he felt otherwise inside (low self worth karma). He had a lot of guilt and anxiety over past behavior and his parents were very religious. He was a good guy but he didn't see himself that way naturally it seems, he had an internal struggle with his perception of himself. He had a porn addiction (would an 8th house stellium fit more for this or a 12th house stellium??).....

posted June 29, 2014 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Emily033:
12th house stellium is tough

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You said it! It is definitely not for the faint hearted! It takes some serious endurance.

This is only because twelfth house wants us to realize our spiritual potential. Trials and tribulations help one to pierce through vanity's veil and see what really matters. Without the spirit, you have no will and without your will, nothing else really matters.

posted June 29, 2014 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You said it! It is definitely not for the faint hearted! It takes some serious endurance.

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posted June 29, 2014 08:09 PM            

Pluto/Saturn dw... that's gotta be tough...

posted June 29, 2014 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
He had a porn addiction (would an 8th house stellium fit more for this or a 12th house stellium??)

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8H...

posted June 29, 2014 08:55 PM            

Life's not fun for anyone all the time, nor is it fair. We all get what we can handle. Eventually, you learn to just take the tides as they come.

posted June 29, 2014 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
8H...

The second chart seems to fit more.
Although Moon in 8H could fit as well, and the 12H planets.

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I thought the same thing but I am reconsidering bc of more details you see...

He had guilt issues and anxiety and depression which saturn in the 12th opposing jupiter would explain....his parents were religious but his dad was always working and a bit absent, his mother did everything for him and did not challenge him AT ALL..

So dad is saturn in the 12th and mother moon in the 9th and part of the tsquares and the moon is the point of release (moon in the 9th, religious mother)...

The day he committed suicide he followed his mother around everywhere non stop all day which she found very odd and she feels guilty for not picking up on this possibly been a sign of trouble....notice that in the 12th house stellium chart that his 8th house axis is intercepted with virgo and pisces. The rulers of this interception which are mercury and neptune are both in the 12th which would explain too his porn addiction and his inability to relate with real women accuntuated further by his cap rising and saturn in the 12th which makes him shy and insecure:

(intercepted 8th/2nd house rulers in the 12th forming tsquares)

If the transits double whammy would not have happened perhaps the story would have kept going and ended differently...

posted June 29, 2014 09:24 PM            

This story makes me so sad.

posted June 29, 2014 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
In astrology a soulmate is merely someone who has great teaching potential for your soul. A soulmate can be an enemy, a friend or a lover. As for suicide I personally don't believe that it is always the wrong choice. I think that if suicide is a choice taken from a place of acceptance rather than a place of avoidance than it may have it's place. For example- if you're going to die soon anyway with your body going through extreme pain than a person may consciously choose suicide not because they are trying to avoid karma (which will only roll over to the next life anyway) but because they are trying to avoid the physical pain which comes from the body (which will perish at the end of this life and not roll over). But commiting suicide because you feel lonely or poor will not solve anything because you will only be required to deal with these things again in your next life, until your karma with them is up.- At least that's the idea behind karma anyway.

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posted June 29, 2014 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Seems to make sense...

This story makes me so sad.

Suicide is an extremely delicate topic for me and I've never even had it affect me on a personal level - I mean I've been suicidal before but fortunately I haven't had any people close to me commit it.

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Yeah I wasn't really able to analyse his chart till today; I had to wait a little over a month to really look at it and notice stuff....I didn't really want to analyse it till now; I wasn't ready.

It was the doubly whammy transit I feel bc the chart was challenging yes but he wanted to work on himself; he always showed up but he would self sabotage a lot too; move forward and then back but the transits IMO is what did it. I think otherwise he would have kept fighting and overcome things with time....

Its sad yes but I can't form an opinion on this; I feel I have to just accept it and let it go, it is what it is. I hope he is well wherever he is.