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Topic: The worst chart someone could possibly have?
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NeptunianSag
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From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 04:43 PM
  
What would indicate a life just not worth living? Full of suffering and set backs and not really getting anywhere, just wallowing in your own unfortunate situations. (Kind of a sadistic topic I know) Would it be a severly afflicted 1st and 2nd house? IP: Logged |
manderin
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From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 05:09 PM
Vedic scriptures indicate that suicide is senseless and futile. Because the only way a soul can come above it's unfortunate karma is by going through it. Therefore anyone who commits suicide will only be born again in another body with a chart that will continue the unfinished karma of the past life. Therefore there is no escaping karma...except to go through it. Whatever bad things the person tried to avoid by commiting suicide will only only follow him into the next life. Therefore in a sense it can be argued that a life is always worth living.IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 995
From: Your imagination
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posted May 31, 2014 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by manderin:
Vedic scriptures indicate that suicide is senseless and futile. Because the only way a soul can come above it's unfortunate karma is by going through it. Therefore anyone who commits suicide will only be born again in another body with a chart that will continue the unfinished karma of the past life. Therefore there is no escaping karma...except to go through it. Whatever bad things the person tried to avoid by commiting suicide will only only follow him into the next life. Therefore in a sense it can be argued that a life is always worth living.
That's a good point. I dont know why I made this topic now.
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PeterPan
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posted May 31, 2014 05:33 PM
I belive you should always do the best you can with what you got, but a combo of heavy saturn, 12th house, retrogrades and virgo and pisces placements would make for a very difficult life in my opinion.Altough all of the above have their strengths aswell together they would probably be difficult to handle. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
Knowflake Posts: 1663
From: The Moon
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I belive you should always do the best you can with what you got, but a combo of heavy saturn, 12th house, retrogrades and virgo and pisces placements would make for a very difficult life in my opinion.Altough all of the above have their strengths aswell together they would probably be difficult to handle.
why virgo and pisces placements? what's up with that? Based on your description you should see my chart lol, it's the worst thing ever according to what you describe… but I feel my life is fine IP: Logged |
amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 3249
From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted May 31, 2014 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
why virgo and pisces placements? what's up with that? Based on your description you should see my chart lol, it's the worst thing ever according to what you describe… but I feel my life is fine
Yes I second this! Sun in virgo with moon in pices and jupiter conjunct uranus in the 12th and I have a tsquare involving virgo and pisces and I am strong girl very grateful for all the experiences I have had, am having and will have. IP: Logged |
Canadiangirl
Knowflake Posts: 785
From: Canada
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 06:02 PM
PeterPan:
combo of heavy saturn, 12th house, retrogrades and virgo and pisces placements would make for a very difficult life in my opinion.--heavy saturn and 12th house in natal? Rats, I'm screwed! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1663
From: The Moon
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Yes I second this!Sun in virgo with moon in pices and jupiter conjunct uranus in the 12th and I have a tsquare involving virgo and pisces and I am strong girl very grateful for all the experiences I have had, am having and will have.
wow, we have some very similar placements! I'm virgo sun and pisces moon too, with jupiter in 12th house opposite capricorn saturn, uranus and neptune in 6th house! And I also have a t-square involving my pisces moon and virgo mars, square uranus! I would consider myself strong also from all my life lessons so far, and it's only getting better with the years IP: Logged |
amelia28
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From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
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posted May 31, 2014 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by manderin:
Vedic scriptures indicate that suicide is senseless and futile. Because the only way a soul can come above it's unfortunate karma is by going through it. Therefore anyone who commits suicide will only be born again in another body with a chart that will continue the unfinished karma of the past life. Therefore there is no escaping karma...except to go through it. Whatever bad things the person tried to avoid by commiting suicide will only only follow him into the next life. Therefore in a sense it can be argued that a life is always worth living.
Yesterday was a very intense day for me as I found out that one of my young clients attempted suicide and will probably die. It really hit me very hard....... There is something about suicide that feels so wrong; now that I have experienced the feeling that you feel when you learn someone you care about and were invested in has taken their life or tried to take their life I have no doubt that this is wrong in many levels and not the answer and people should just tough it out, life is short anyways.
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amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 3249
From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
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posted May 31, 2014 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
wow, we have some very similar placements! I'm virgo sun and pisces moon too, with jupiter in 12th house opposite capricorn saturn, uranus and neptune in 6th house! And I also have a t-square involving my pisces moon and virgo mars, square uranus! I would consider myself strong also from all my life lessons so far, and it's only getting better with the years
Yes it is getting better with the years, very true....  IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 7736
From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 31, 2014 06:12 PM
I don't find it wrong. I find it tragic.------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
PeterPan
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posted May 31, 2014 06:23 PM
Virgo can somtimes fall into the trap of overanalyzing things, couple that with 12th house/pisces influence and saturn which gives someone a gloomy outlook on life(saturn) and often introverson or isolation(12th) the thatn would in my opinion make for a quite miserable existence.
But ofcourse any of these alone wouldn't have to do any of that i for one have lots of hard pluto aspects and a 12th house saturn and moon and altoug i need my alone time, i'm a quite happy and optimistic guy, however some influences together can be hard to deal with.
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Knowflake Posts: 1663
From: The Moon
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 06:53 PM
My oldest brother committed suicide only half a year ago… he was a virgo sun like me and he had a close sun square neptune also…. don't wan't to say anymore right now about it, but he had a heavy saturn influence too… but no pisces IP: Logged |
next to neptune
Knowflake Posts: 1663
From: The Moon
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
Virgo can somtimes fall into the trap of overanalyzing things, couple that with 12th house/pisces influence and saturn which gives someone a gloomy outlook on life(saturn) and often introverson or isolation(12th) the thatn would in my opinion make for a quite miserable existence.
But ofcourse any of these alone wouldn't have to do any of that i for one have lots of hard pluto aspects and a 12th house saturn and moon and altoug i need my alone time, i'm a quite happy and optimistic guy, however some influences together can be hard to deal with.
I agree with virgo being prone to overanalyzing but I disagree with the 12th house stuff… actually 11th and 10th house is worse…cause 11th house people want to be social, but if they feel trapped and somehow lonely they cannot handle it…being alone…12th housers actually wants to be alone and they like being isolated from time to time and it doesn't seem to bother them as much as an 11th house person… they cannot handle being on their own so much IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted May 31, 2014 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Yesterday was a very intense day for me as I found out that one of my young clients attempted suicide and will probably die.It really hit me very hard....... There is something about suicide that feels so wrong; now that I have experienced the feeling that you feel when you learn someone you care about and were invested in has taken their life or tried to take their life I have no doubt that this is wrong in many levels and not the answer and people should just tough it out, life is short anyways.
Life too can be very wrong on many levels for some people . For them, suicide can be an only option sometimes . Not everything can be solved by just toughing it out . IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
Knowflake Posts: 7736
From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 31, 2014 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Life too can be very wrong on many levels for some people . For them, suicide can be an only option sometimes . Not everything can be solved by just toughing it out .
Agree. I'm sorry about your brother, ntn. ------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
birdsong
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posted May 31, 2014 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I belive you should always do the best you can with what you got, but a combo of heavy saturn, 12th house, retrogrades and virgo and pisces placements would make for a very difficult life in my opinion.Altough all of the above have their strengths aswell together they would probably be difficult to handle.
I'm a Pisces with a 6th house stellium in Cap and heavy Saturn  IP: Logged |
birdsong
Knowflake Posts: 284
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posted May 31, 2014 07:28 PM
I'm sorry about your Brother, nexttoneptuneIP: Logged |
amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 3249
From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted May 31, 2014 07:52 PM
Oh ok. My bad everyone, suicide is the solution then!Ofcourse. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted May 31, 2014 07:58 PM
^ Depends on the situation. Nothing can be right or wrong all the time .IP: Logged |
amelia28
Knowflake Posts: 3249
From: AC conjunct Jupiter-Uranus
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posted May 31, 2014 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Depends on the situation. Nothing can be right or wrong all the time .
He had parents who cared, a roof on top of his head, supportive people in his life and no obligations at all, no history of abuse... I know he was struggling but not to the point that suicide should have been the solution. But overall I dont think that is ever the solution. IYO when is it ok to commit suicide? when is this a good idea or option? IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted May 31, 2014 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
He had parents who cared, a roof on top of his head, supportive people in his life and no obligations at all, no history of abuse...I know he was struggling but not to the point that suicide should have been the solution. But overall I dont think that is ever the solution. IYO when is it ok to commit suicide? when is this a good idea or option?
If everything was alright, he would not have committed suicide. It depends. Different people have different thresholds of pain. For you, suicide may never be a solution. But for him, it was. You have to put yourself in his position. If there is no hope. If it feels like life is not worth living anymore. If you’ve seen it all, the same pattern keeps repeating over and over again. Then suicide might be a solution. Because a person like that would be a dead man walking for the rest of the life anyway. Simply waiting for death. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 3566
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 09:00 PM
Sorry to hear about your brother, next to neptune  IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 3566
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted May 31, 2014 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
That's a good point. I dont know why I made this topic now.
That still doesn't make your thread pointless.
I mean, you never mentioned anything about souls, right? You just said a life not worth living with full of suffering IP: Logged |
Libra5643
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posted May 31, 2014 09:02 PM
Karma isn't fair. it should be taken care of in the same lifetime as the one they did bad in. This is pretty much saying a good kind person with a bad past life will have a terrible life no matter how kind and good he/she is. it's almost like accusing someone who has no idea what they did. Then again it probably works on a bigger scale because the soul needs to evolve and whatnot. IP: Logged |
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