posted June 29, 2014 06:02 PM            

You have an intimidating vibe.

My aspects are similar to yours but I'm not as outwardly "in charge". It's weird, I mean I feel both very feminine at times and very masculine at other times. And sometimes it's neither. (?) lol whatever, I guess I'll just try to be 'myself' and accept all the different parts of me.

posted June 29, 2014 07:02 PM            

You give off a pretty "masculine" vibe, to me, Pixie.
I guess it could be different IRL though.

This is pretty cool:

posted June 29, 2014 08:55 PM            

If you're neither sometimes wouldn't the Gemini asc be reflecting that :-) but you have feminine sun moon. O that's me too, masc asc, fem sun moon. Leo's more masculine than gem tho, and capricorn is more masculine than virgo. Plus you have domicile venus conj jupiter. Woah, lady, check you out.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
One thing I've been thinking about, is, very often women complain that men aren't masculine/manly enough, that they're "the girl" and so on, and then you see women rebelling against femininity, and acting less stereotypically feminine than masculine. Now, how does that work?.

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posted June 29, 2014 09:11 PM            

I do think the media has a lot to do with it. Indoctrination, yes. We're all conditioned in one way or another growing up and it can cause trouble later on, with bias and expectations going on that aren't necessarily valid or healthy.
This: "Emasculating men in the process of empowering women" seems to be pretty spot on. Could explain a few things.

posted June 29, 2014 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Lonake, nice to see you post more often. <3

You have an intimidating vibe.

My aspects are similar to yours but I'm not as outwardly "in charge". It's weird, I mean I feel both very feminine at times and very masculine at other times. And sometimes it's neither. (?) lol whatever, I guess I'll just try to be 'myself' and accept all the different parts of me.

One thing I've been thinking about, is, very often women complain that men aren't masculine/manly enough, that they're "the girl" and so on, and then you see women rebelling against femininity, and acting less stereotypically feminine than masculine. Now, how does that work? Men are supposed to stay manly all the time but women can just up and say, "I don't want to be feminine, screw ya'll, I'm gonna be as masculine as I want"? That's kind of unfair, isn't it? But it seems legit for many women, I think. Hmm.

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posted June 29, 2014 09:27 PM            

"You're supposed" (you don't have to, eh) to find that one person who's just going to make things pretty clear and not too complicated for you. Unless that's what you want (difficulty and drama).

I don't think we can apply the same rules for everyone, that goes without saying.

It's really about finding someone who gets you well and respects you and accepts you for who you are.

posted June 29, 2014 10:04 PM            

Offhand the characters I can think of are James Bond, Indiana Jones, characters portrayed by Bruce Willis (Die Hard), characters in the Terminator movies and series, Firefly, Angel, etc. Star Trek, Star Wars, Battle Star Galactica, Matrix, X-Men, Lord of the Rings. I believe even Martin Sheen's character in Two and a Half Men was popular. If I were to go into less popular movies I could include such as The Scorpion King (in which some women were good fighters, but the men were poster children for testosterone who were even better fighters). I wouldn't consider any of these characters as "emasculating men." Does anyone think they are? If so, how?

posted June 29, 2014 11:51 PM            

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Edit, idk why I ramble on about these topics but yeah basically the media is ridiculous, but it mostly just comes down to consumerism imo. A lot of Hollywood movies these days are basically one giant commercial with shallow plots and endless product placements... I've taken a class on this and the psychology of it is really interesting. Anyway if there is a focus on "empowered"/wealthy women maybe it's because there's just more to sell to women, but idk if I'd say that's real empowerment.

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That reminds me of my mom who used to be a model. She described how they really made her up, in extreme cases she'd have to sit or stand still for HOURS as they very carefully had their professionals spruce her up (which they'd already done before she was still), though granted this was often because whoever was taking the pix couldn't make up his mind about what look was best. In the end it was a look impossible for any female to achieve.

And then they'd dabble on just a bit of the product they were trying to sell. And the advertisement basically said (or at least implied) that if you use that product you could look just as impossibly beautiful, sexy, and/or sophisticated.

posted June 30, 2014 12:08 AM            

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if there is a focus on "empowered"/wealthy women maybe it's because there's just more to sell to women, but idk if I'd say that's real empowerment.

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So as I was all woke up I put on some form-fitting black slacks, a black tank top, and got my leather jacket out. (At first, I was going to wear a back-baring halter top, but I wasn't comfortable in it. It just didn't seem practical for multiple reasons, particularly with the footwear I chose later, so I declined and went with the tank instead.) To get more adventurous, I added a leather choker and leather wrist cuffs. Natch, they were black, too. That went with my nails and dyed (black) hair perfectly.

I was wracked with Libran indecision in trying to decide between sandals and my side zipper boots (or even my Docs). The boots were black and went with my ensemble, but the sandals were casual, more relaxing most of the time, and helped project an easy going attitude (but are brown). After like five minutes (which is usually longer than I take to decide), I went with the side zippers as they look better, prepared me for a lot of walking around and motion, matched my clothes, and it was Veteran's Day (side zipper boots have a sorta military look to them, IMO).

But then when my lesbian girlfriend showed up she complimented my choice (I didn't have my jacket on), saying, "I LIKE your ninja uniform." She was sincere, but she teased me a little bit, too. "All you need is a ski mask, and some longer sleeves. And don't forget your weapons!"

posted June 30, 2014 12:22 AM            

But seriously no one else saw this in their classrooms growing up? That's so odd to me because it was such a big part of my school environment, the girls and their achievements were continually emphasized, if a boy did something of note it was generally unacknowledged or downplayed. And they were also publicly derided by staff, but not so for girls.
I'd like to think that classrooms have changed and more than that, that my experience wasn't the norm..a good thought indeed

posted June 30, 2014 01:04 AM            

Although I don't have a heavily afflicted Venus I do have Venus in my first house, in Scorpio. It's 1 degree and besides a few minor aspects the only "true" aspect is that it trines my Cancer Mars. I have 4 planets in Libra that include my Sun, Moon, Mercury and Ascendant. So I'd like to believe that I'm pretty feminine although Libra is obviously a masculine sign. I am Venus and Moon ruled though after all .

I like to look the part and be the part. I'd like to believe that I'm more of a badass girly girl, who isn't afraid to hold her own. I've always embraced my feminine side. When I was younger I was into more tomboyish things but I've always been a girly girl. Didn't grow into it really until I was 13-14, but still always wore girlier clothes(Taurus mother with a Libra child, there were no other options )Didn't start wearing makeup really until I turned 16(something I really wish I'd never started, I have crazy sensitive skin and foundation just isn't good for it). I've never been afraid to be myself, although persuaded many times to be other things and I think that's what makes me, me.

When I think of someone who is feminine I think of a woman who is completely comfortable with the opposite sex(I say opposite sex because I'm able to relate). She's comfortable in her own skin, pretty, airy, someone who always smiles and isn't fake nor full of herself, full of light. A traditional woman who takes care of her home and family even if she does work, a balanced woman.***THIS IS MY opinion, no one here but myself has to like it nor agree with it. If you're gonna argue with me I WILL IGNORE you.*** I'd like to think of myself as being all of those things as well as many of the woman that I've grown up with or were friends with.

posted June 30, 2014 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Exactly. I think alot of men are just confused.... On one hand you have women bashing masculine personality traits and roles and on the other hand you have women b*tching about men not being aggressive or masculine enough. I guess we are supposed to just read womens minds and know what they want when they want it. I mean what are men supposed to do?

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Well that's because not all women want the same thing. Some want a brute, some want the metro guy, most just want the average joe. I like a "traditional" man. Who makes all the decisions and tells me what to do because I'm just a confused directionless loser who find purpose in loved ones. Also it's not women who are confused, society itself is confused on what it wants men to be. But the it looks like from observing the media that the ideal guy (from the eyes of marketing) is tough, promiscuous and unfeeling. And that's what they're trying to tell us what masculinity is.

posted June 30, 2014 03:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
One thing I take issue with is the running joke of "my wife wants something so I guess that means I want it too." This thing about husbands deferring to their wives on all matters and men not having opinions or likes of their own, or that theirs don't count. I see it more when marriages are being portrayed, the dumb imbecile husband. The bumbling man who doesnt know anything and the woman in the room setting him straight coming out on top. I know they have to earn a paycheck too, I guess I put it on the writers and what passes for entertainment.

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How many shows are like that? How many of them are run as comedies? (I'd prefer examples here, not an answer like "many shows.")