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Topic: Embracing feminine energy
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Selene
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posted June 29, 2014 12:16 PM
  
I've been thinking about that a lot lately. There are women that are so feminine, it seems that they are radiating this energy even if their outlook does not exactly show that. And then there are women who are doing practically everything to be feminine - dressing up, looking completely feminine on the outside, but something is missing there. And it is this energy thing that is missing. I just read a really good article about that.. it said that a woman can truly be and feel feminine only if she is enough. Until she feels that she is not enough (and here you can feel in everything that you think you lack.. ) and feels somehow not enough good for anything or anybody, she cannot be truly herself and release her feminine power. I am now also reading the book Women who run with the wolves and it deals with the same question - how to embrace that feminine power within yourself. I hope it might help. But the question is.. what in the chart does show that struggle with finding your feminine energy and living it out freely? Does it always deal with Venus being afflicted? If so, i guess, it is true. I think in my chart it is a classical example of that second variant of what i gave above - Venus in Libra, conjunct Mercury (chart ruler) and Sun in the second house. All you could ask for to be a really feminine and charming woman. And on the outside i am. But it does not radiate from me so easily. And it resonates with this "i am not enough" thing above. I think Venus square Saturn is to blame for that (square this entire stellium). What is the way out of that astrologically?
Is there any positive stories of truly embracing your feminine side with an afflicted Venus? Please, share! 
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I'm so cappy
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posted June 29, 2014 12:37 PM
What makes you think you should "radiate feminity"? Be who you are and try not to compare yourself to other women. After all you're enough, right? Just because you're female it doesn't mean you should strive to be 100% yin. Each of us has both yin and yang and their expression varies individually. If you reaaally have to manipulate it then I think it would be wiser to actually balance them.------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 12:40 PM
I'm in the same boat.I have Venus trine Saturn. Coule be due to the Moon as well. Mine is very afflicted, and by badass planets to boot - Mars, Pluto and Saturn. I am pretty damn sure that a prominent Mars can take away from one's sense of femininity. I have mine extra prominent and it definitely rings true. I also know other women with a very strong Mars and while they can be feminine, they still have a sort of... well, very masculine side. Something rough about them. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted June 29, 2014 12:49 PM
I'd rather be badass than "ultrafeminie" or, what's even worse, girly.------------------
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Selene
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posted June 29, 2014 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What makes you think you should "radiate feminity"? Be who you are and try not to compare yourself to other women. After all you're enough, right? Just because you're female it doesn't mean you should strive to be 100% yin. Each of us has both yin and yang and their expression varies individually. If you reaaally have to manipulate it then I think it would be wiser to actually balance them.
But i want to. I feel this void inside me. That's the point that i cannot be who i am because there is constantly this need for others to appreciate me, what i've done or what i look like. I can totally identify with this "i am not enough" thing and i want to get rid of it to just be myself. The only problem is - i don't know how. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted June 29, 2014 12:52 PM
This void is called self-esteem issues.------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 12:53 PM
Same here, S.It's hard to live in this society and be a unfeminine woman. Very tough.
What's up with your Moon? Saturn? Mars, Pluto?
What's your ASC and ASC ruler?
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Selene
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posted June 29, 2014 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I'm in the same boat.I have Venus trine Saturn. Coule be due to the Moon as well. Mine is very afflicted, and by badass planets to boot - Mars, Pluto and Saturn. I am pretty damn sure that a prominent Mars can take away from one's sense of femininity. I have mine extra prominent and it definitely rings true. I also know other women with a very strong Mars and while they can be feminine, they still have a sort of... well, very masculine side. Something rough about them.
Yes, this is also true with me. My Moon is also afflicted by Pluto (a square). And Mars is strong and good (exact trine to Venus, Mercury, sextiles to Moon and Jupiter, etc). And there is this contradiction. I really look very feminine and i want to be one. To have a free and open heart, you know. Be in a flow with my emotions. And i struggle with that. Have you found some sort of cure from that? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
This void is called self-esteem issues.
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 12:56 PM
Ahh Moon sq. Pluto.Cafeastrology says women have it hard with that one. I can relate.
No solution, here. Sorry.
All I know is it starts with root issues like lack of self-love and most probably lack of parental support in childhood and youth. It goes deeper than the simple desire to be feminine. It's about the lack of acceptance of the Self. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 12:56 PM
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Selene
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posted June 29, 2014 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It's interconnected.
exactly. One stems from the other and vice-versa. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted June 29, 2014 01:07 PM
Some women have more yin and some women more yang.. embrace that..I have more yin and my chart shows it by an afflicted Sun and a fall Mars
my Moon/Venus/Neptune are much better So I embrace it more I don't see what's wrong with a woman being ultrafeminine.. or masculine for that matter.. I don't really get this "don't embrace your feminine be a tomboy" thing ... if a woman is naturally that then embrace it.. if you're not, then embrace what you naturally are. IP: Logged |
Selene
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posted June 29, 2014 01:08 PM
I think it is even harder to have an extra strong Venus in my chart.. from those tests that Cappy posted. My Venus has 85 points! And i used sextiles as minor aspects as the author said. Otherwise it would be 90! IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted June 29, 2014 01:10 PM
I have had two professional natal chart readings. One pointed out that my "big three" are all masculine signs. (Libra/Leo/Gemini) Therefore, making me seem ultra masculine, even if I don't believe it / see it. Which, I don't. Hahaha But I wonder if this has much to do with it?
I know a double Gem (unknown asc) and she seems very masculine. Even has very broad shoulders! She tries to be feminine, and pulls it off a bit, but just can't quite shed that masculinity no matter how she tries. It's just in her.
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Selene
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posted June 29, 2014 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Some women have more yin and some women more yang.. embrace that..I have more yin and my chart shows it by an afflicted Sun and a fall Mars
my Moon/Venus/Neptune are much better So I embrace it more I don't see what's wrong with a woman being ultrafeminine.. or masculine for that matter.. I don't really get this "don't embrace your feminine be a tomboy" thing ... if a woman is naturally that then embrace it.. if you're not, then embrace what you naturally are.
The thing is that i am not willing to release this energy just for the sake of releasing it. I feel it. I need to be that way, because that is who i am inside. Maybe i am not so good at explaining. I feel feminine inside, very deep inside. I look feminine outside. But then there is this kind of block or a wall that does not let this energy come out of me and flow freely. You got my point? My ultra strong Venus is screaming to get out of its shell, and i don't know how.  I guess transit Uranus that right now is opposite my Venus might be a good help. After all i have begun to delve into myself with that reason, lol.
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I'm so cappy
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posted June 29, 2014 01:12 PM
Well, I didn't mean to demonize feminity. I just don't wish to be superfeminine myself.------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted June 29, 2014 01:14 PM
I really agree with some of the general statements being said here. Be what you are! Don't worry about the image. People will appreciate and be attracted to you for being genuine.
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 01:15 PM
Venus sq. Saturn right there.That's where your problem lies. And Moon sq. Pluto perhaps. You need to work on that blockage, that inner restriction. You're already aware of the "problem" so that's good. Do whatever you think is right for you... Follow your own path. --- DF, Actually Gemini is well-known for being androgynous. The men tend to be on the feminine side often and the women on the masculine side. I am sure my being a Gem ASC adds to the whole thing. It's Mercury's influence. The shapeshifter. Neither male nor female. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 01:19 PM
You can't really embrace your true self if you don't know what it's made of exactly.Sometimes you have to create yourself, build yourself up. Intuition should help. You can know when something feels right and very "you" and when it doesn't. Try to connect more to that "me" part and don't be hard on yourself if you find yourself on the "not me" side from time to time. It's a process. And Self-acceptance. Is. The Key. To Everything. IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted June 29, 2014 01:32 PM
Whenever I see someone that's ultra feminine it just seems so fake and contrived to me. There's a difference between naturally being a woman and trying to fit the mold of what you think femininity is.Libras are very feminine but tough and cold. But a woman needs to be tough. They're all soft on the outside but inside they are making logical decisions and working hard toward their goals. Venus is conjunct your sun and mercury and sun. You feel like womanhood is part of your core identity and you want to communicate it? But with the Saturn square there is a block. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 29, 2014 01:39 PM
That's the thing.Some women are feminine naturally, without trying. And some simply aren't. It's not easy to accept yourself when you're part of the second group because there's so much pressure and expectations in society, and that means expectations from other people, especially the opposite sex. IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted June 29, 2014 01:46 PM
I guess I just don't understand it. I grew up in a house of women so I never really knew about that feminine/masculine divide and how women are supposed to behave in front of a man. So I can't get myself to act any differently because the person I'm around is the opposite gender.For me I always felt a pressure from society to act masculine. It seems like women that know what they want and aren't afraid to run with the boys are viewed more positively than women that play a support role and can't relate to men. If anything I feel immense pressure to be fun, free and sexual. And it seems all girls are a certain way that I'm not. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted June 29, 2014 01:55 PM
Ah that makes sense doux...
Given some of the Gemini guys and women I've seen. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 29, 2014 02:21 PM
I get the same message, that the societal ideal, at least where I am, is to be more masculine as a woman. Like i get props when i ask a man out, im awarded for that with a new partner and challenging societal norms. but then otoh i have an issue with men, specifically the younger men, say..40s and younger, (/not all/ obviously just most, from my pov) with them really seriously /losing/ whatever kind of innate masculine energy they had, IF they ever had any. But I have mars/saturn/pluto conj. so that's that, I hold them to a high masculine standard. Now how I choose to be a woman is of my own whim at whatever given moment, but this is definitely the message I see.Doux nailed it re:issues with coming to terms with your own feminine energy, venus and the moon, venus saturn and moon pluto. I have the same  I always thought this part of my chart is somewhat strange,
-Moon conjunct venus in capricorn, ruled by Saturn
-Mars conjunct saturn in libra, ruled by Venus
It's funny, when I think I'm being yielding I come across as dominant and very sure of myself, and when I think I'm taking control I come across as friendly and concerned with everyone's situation (masculine energy sun : pisces). In the end id say I'm pretty balanced but I've always been fascinated and intrigued by how women and men act and how that carves their path in society, how an action by a man is viewed one way, but that same action by a woman, completely different. Anyway I like this thread :-)  my venus has been moving into trine with mars by progression (air) and this is still a subject I think a lot about, male female relations and conceptions of what it is to be masculine, and feminine, and how mens attitudes towards women shape womens attitudes toward men and vice versa. IP: Logged |
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