posted July 04, 2014 02:21 PM            

Probably something to do with houses? Because Cameron has Taurus Moon in tight sextile to Cancer Venus. A Cancer Venus *and* a Taurus Moon! From the classic astrotheory, she should be, like, wanting kids since high school!

Another friend of mine says pretty much the same things Cameron does. She is a Scorpio Sun with Gemini Moon and Virgo Venus, so her placements are not too similar to Cameron besides some Virgo showing up.

However, they have three things in common:

1) aspects to Uranus from both Moon and Venus

Cameron has Venus square Uranus and Moon bi-quintile Uranus
My friend has Moon opposite Uranus and Venus sextile Uranus

2) Lilith in the 4th House of Cancer.

Actually they both have Lilith in the third decan of Libra, too.

3) Neptune in Sagittarius (okay that's pretty common on its own) - but they both have it in the 5th house with Scorpio sitting on the cusp of the house.

Neptune in the 5th house can give an unusual kids situation--like no kids, or a lot of kids, or a strange relationship with kids, but I don't think that's too indicative.
And Scorpio, being a Water sign, is supposed to be fruitful, so to speak.

(I took Cameron's chart from Astrotheme. http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Cameron_Diaz)

posted July 04, 2014 02:44 PM            

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posted July 04, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Hmmm...interesting, your convictions are strong and I notice a lack of gemini. This could mean you mean what you say and say what you mean! It seems so....

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posted July 04, 2014 03:04 PM              

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Originally posted by Babysmackle:
Pooh....gemini moon could make her say she wants kids even though she doesn't. It's the devils advocate aspect.

But yeah, cancer wants kids but not always. Sometimes cancer become the single artist.

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posted July 04, 2014 03:31 PM            

She seems to be saying to people; What is the big deal? This can't be the definitive point of my life! Everyone just needs to chill out and not make it such an issue.

I don't believe she is making a political statement by not having kids, nor is she saying that she is weary of them. She is basically saying ; "I don't know.Is it okay for me to say that I just don't know?"

What I also conclude in her chart is someone who resists following set protocol, conventions or structures. She can't do that.

Sun square Neptune is the biggest indicator of someone who wants complete autonomy to do with their life as they "feel". These people can't conform to convention.She has this.

Venus square Uranus- Biggest indicator of someone who may like or be drawn to things that are not broadly accepted by others.

It speaks of tastes and preferences that defy the "ordinary" etc. Someone who may find joy in places other people have overlooked or have not discovered.

posted July 04, 2014 03:49 PM            

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I have Sun-Neptune conjunction and so,like her, I get the whole "feel my way through without over-intellectualizing it too much" thing. I don't have kids either and am not sure that I will ever want any.

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posted July 04, 2014 03:50 PM            

I mean… I think I want them, but only if I find the right man, the right time and the right everything. The only reason I actually would want kids is that someone is there to take care of me when I get old. If I get old without kids, I'm probably doomed.

But if I think hard about, I don't want to foster anyone. I can't even take care of a cat, and a cat is even able to almost take care of it self. I can't even water a plant and keep it alive. How the h*** am I supposed to be a great mother? So I rather be free, I don't want to bring children into this world if I feel I cannot treat them right.

I'm a virgo with a huge cancer influence. I don't know why I feel this way about children. All children loves me I noticed, they always like me and want to be close… I also think they are really cute, but I just don't think I would be a great mother. Maybe it will come with time? If I'm gonna have some, I'm gonna be more mature, and maybe 35 +.

posted July 04, 2014 03:54 PM            

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The only reason I actually would want kids is that someone is there to take care of me when I get old. If I get old without kids, I'm probably doomed.

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posted July 04, 2014 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Interesting. As you can see I have Sun-Neptune too but I can't say I go with the flow in this department. I thought it through and I identify as a childfree person. I would be even willing to make sure I could never get pregnant if I were sexually active.

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No,what I meant was that the Sun-Neptune conjunction,contrary to popular opinion, is not the "go with the flow" aspect that it is popularized to be.At least not holistically.

Neptune infuses a strong "can I get back to you on that one?" energy on the Sun; making the natives direction in life based more on "feeling" their way through rather than following the protocol set up by others.

Most women, at age 25-30 and even younger, start to think about marriage, babies etc.
For the Neptune person, of both sexes, this stage could have one of two occurrences;

On the one hand the Neptune person can "merge" with others by conforming and being a mother themselves.

When you ask the Neptune person "Why did you decide to become a mother?",they will most probably answer "because everyone else was doing it and so, I felt, perhaps I should too."

As you notice by the remark above, it wasn't their choice but the choice of others that affected them. They were probably pressurized into it and felt that they needed to just "go with the flow".

On the other hand, you find the other Sun-Neptune people who are still trying to define life for themselves and DO NOT want to "drown" in the responsibilities of caring for someone else's soul.

This is what I get from Cameron's interview. She speaks more about being "overwhelmed" and feeling very ill-prepared for the role of being a parent. To her, it represents a privileged but awesome responsibility.

Sun-Neptune,however,is not beyond changing their minds either.But definitely do not want to be "boxed" or "hemmed in" on making a decision. For them, things will happen when they happen.And if they don't, they don't.

posted July 04, 2014 04:38 PM            

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posted July 04, 2014 04:42 PM            

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[b] No,what I meant was that the Sun-Neptune conjunction,contrary to popular opinion, is not the "go with the flow" aspect that it is popularized to be.At least not holistically.

Neptune infuses a strong "can I get back to you on that one?" energy on the Sun; making the natives direction in life based more on "feeling" their way through rather than following the protocol set up by others.

Most women, at age 25-30 and even younger, start to think about marriage, babies etc.
For the Neptune person, of both sexes, this stage could have one of two occurrences;

On the one hand the Neptune person can "merge" with others by conforming and being a mother themselves.

When you ask the Neptune person "Why did you decide to become a mother?",they will most probably answer "because everyone else was doing it and so, I felt, perhaps I should too."

As you notice by the remark above, it wasn't their choice but the choice of others that affected them. They were probably pressurized into it and felt that they needed to just "go with the flow".

On the other hand, you find the other Sun-Neptune people who are still trying to define life for themselves and DO NOT want to "drown" in the responsibilities of caring for someone else's soul.

This is what I get from Cameron's interview. She speaks more about being "overwhelmed" and feeling very ill-prepared for the role of being a parent. To her, it represents a privileged but awesome responsibility.

Sun-Neptune,however,is not beyond changing their minds either.But definitely do not want to be "boxed" or "hemmed in" on making a decision. For them, things will happen when they happen.And if they don't, they don't.

This is Neptune energy that doesn't want to be told what to do and wants to "feel" its way through.It doesn't want to commit to any set plan/strategy.

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posted July 04, 2014 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Well, I would think that no matter what I'm not gonna be there to be their nurse then. I'd move to another country probably lol. After borrowing all their money.

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You see? That's one of the worst reasons to have children.

posted July 04, 2014 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
You see? That's one of the worst reasons to have children.

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posted July 04, 2014 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Ah, cappy, I do love your deadpan humor

Why don't you get a partner? It's nasty to hold your humor back from MANkind

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Huh? But I bestow my sense of humor on so many people here, I think that's enough

posted July 04, 2014 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Can you explain why I don't want kids then?

I mean… I think I want them, but only if I find the right man, the right time and the right everything. The only reason I actually would want kids is that someone is there to take care of me when I get old. If I get old without kids, I'm probably doomed.

But if I think hard about, I don't want to foster anyone. I can't even take care of a cat, and a cat is even able to almost take care of it self. I can't even water a plant and keep it alive. How the h*** am I supposed to be a great mother? So I rather be free, I don't want to bring children into this world if I feel I cannot treat them right.

I'm a virgo with a huge cancer influence. I don't know why I feel this way about children. All children loves me I noticed, they always like me and want to be close… I also think they are really cute, but I just don't think I would be a great mother. Maybe it will come with time? If I'm gonna have some, I'm gonna be more mature, and maybe 35 +.

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I think what you have in mind is what other people have set in their life goals; right man, right time, right space etc.

But,as soon you'll find out, life does not follow a set plan.

You mentioned that you have a Virgo rich chart; this would explain why you want to be adequately "prepared" for a child. You view children as a whole lot of responsibility.

Have you thought of how much fun children can be? Yeah sure, the responsibility part is there. But what if it only makes up 20% and the rest is pure joy?

And the other reason that you said that you wanted kids is; "so that you can have someone to take care of you when you grow old" Really???

What if you outlive all your children? It can happen you know?

I think people who are more sensitive to life's subtleties and the importance of an individual soul,become frightened if they don't see themselves "fit" enough to be the caretaker of any soul-never-mind one they partook in manifesting into physical existence..

But,what if I told you that,from a bigger spiritual perspective, you'd never assume all the responsibility?

That loving your children from your own understanding is totally enough? That there is no-one put up there tallying up a score on how well you do as a parent?

That the role of motherhood is just an expression of the part of you that you wish to explore.And not what is "expected" at all by anyone. Let alone your BIGGER parent.

Nothing is ever "broken", "lost" or "damaged" or "wasted": Not forever. Not ever even.

Take it or leave it- either way is fine. What matters most is that you feel that whatever decision you make is making the highest announcement about WHO YOU REALLY ARE. Nothing else.

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Why's the reason important your parents "made" you? I mean you are here and there's no way to change it- unless you swallow 1000 slepping pills or something.

I was "made" because my Dad did want to have fun and my mother wanted to escape her parental home and she was madly in love with him. The result was an ugly separation but I am on this earth

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Did you have a difficult upbringing?

My parents tried to make a baby for a long time, but they didn't succeed after 4 years… and then when they finally got me, they started fighting and arguing for 3 years, then they finally broke up… but I guess it has left some scars to grow up the 3 first years with yelling parents.

posted July 04, 2014 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I don't intend to be a mother. Even if I change my mind someday, a biological child is out of the question. I'll just post my chart.

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You have Saturn in the 5th ( doesn't want own children or fears them) but your Neptune is there too. You are going to adopt children, and many of them, at that. a whole group, perhaps. It's your calling. Better start preparing from now...learn how to baby talk and sing lullabies...

posted July 04, 2014 05:11 PM            

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Why's the reason important your parents "made" you? I mean you are here and there's no way to change it- unless you swallow 1000 slepping pills or something.

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There are enough miserable and screwed up people in this world, don't you think? Bringing a child into existence is a great responisibility and not every reason is a good reason. If you don't understand it then perhaps you're a little too egoistic. They're not toys nor they should be treated as a means to an end or some kind of crutch. A child deserves parents who truly want to be parents and are ready for it.

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Did you have a difficult upbringing?

My parents tried to make a baby for a long time, but they didn't succeed after 4 years… and then when they finally got me, they started fighting and arguing for 3 years, then they finally broke up… but I guess it has left some scars to grow up the 3 first years with yelling parents.

If I'm ever going to have kids, I would make sure they got a more peaceful and stable upbringing than I got…

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