posted July 28, 2014 04:14 AM            

The sign is the "knowing" of an issue. But the house is the actual "experience". So which is more important? Can you even make a pick?

Put it like this; the Moon in Pisces may know all about wines and champagnes,but it is the Moon in 12th who often "feels" drunk and gets the hangovers.

The Moon in Pisces is the "knowledge" or "awareness" of other realms,other worlds and even sensitivity to it.

The Moon in 12th is the "experience" of other worlds,realms and actually lives it.

You are more likely to find 12th house Moons deal with issues of alcoholism, drug abuse, depression and isolation than you are to find those who strictly have their Moon in Pisces.

posted July 28, 2014 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Noo.Not fair. You can't single them out like that. There is more to the story than that.

The sign is the "knowing" of an issue. But the house is the actual "experience". So which is more important? Can you even make a pick?

Put it like this; the Moon in Pisces may know all about wines and champagnes,but it is the Moon in 12th who often "feels" drunk and gets the hangovers.

The Moon in Pisces is the "knowledge" or "awareness" of other realms,other worlds and even sensitivity to it.

The Moon in 12th is the "experience" of other worlds,realms and actually lives it.

You are more likely to find 12th house Moons deal with issues of alcoholism, drug abuse, depression and isolation than you are to find those who strictly have their Moon in Pisces.

Don't even get me started on Neptune sitting on the Moon.....

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posted July 28, 2014 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Noo.Not fair. You can't single them out like that. There is more to the story than that.

The sign is the "knowing" of an issue. But the house is the actual "experience". So which is more important? Can you even make a pick?

Put it like this; the Moon in Pisces may know all about wines and champagnes,but it is the Moon in 12th who often "feels" drunk and gets the hangovers.

The Moon in Pisces is the "knowledge" or "awareness" of other realms,other worlds and even sensitivity to it.

The Moon in 12th is the "experience" of other worlds,realms and actually lives it.

You are more likely to find 12th house Moons deal with issues of alcoholism, drug abuse, depression and isolation than you are to find those who strictly have their Moon in Pisces.

Don't even get me started on Neptune sitting on the Moon.....

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posted July 28, 2014 08:28 AM            

I am assuming that the other planets(namely Venus, Neptune/Uranus conjunct) are in water houses 4th and 8th too?

The presence of such would intensify psychological and/or emotional experiences.

We could write a book about you

How have you experienced it though? I am only basing this on an assumption; since I have a stellium of planets in 8th myself.

posted July 28, 2014 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think it would intensify the experience.

I am assuming that the other planets(namely Venus, Neptune/Uranus conjunct) are in water houses 4th and 8th too?

The presence of such would intensify psychological and/or emotional experiences.

We could write a book about you

How have you experienced it though? I am only basing this on an assumption; since I have a stellium of planets in 8th myself.

The emotional experiences of this house are, at times, quite heavy-going.

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My trines are both in Earth so I don't know how it affects things, but your take was on the money especially regarding emotional intensity, and sensitivity or drugs and alcohol. I too, was trying to understand the difference of energy.

12th house planets are so odd to understand. I find that I never use drugs and alcohol, but when I do it helps me connect the universal dots. However, the fall is horrible every time; It takes me weeks to get back to normal. Like this weird bleeding effect.

I feel, but i don't like displaying how I feel so it comes off cold and unaffected. But I feel deeply. Then I isolate myself

Idk I hate having my moon in 12th.

posted July 28, 2014 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Alyssa Sharpe calls pisces moon the serial killer moon.

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Yup. Every month a whole new litter of serial killers is born.

Freaky right? And there's no way to stop it.

posted July 28, 2014 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
My trines are both in Earth so I don't know how it affects things, but your take was on the money especially regarding emotional intensity, and sensitivity or drugs and alcohol. I too, was trying to understand the difference of energy.

12th house planets are so odd to understand. I find that I never use drugs and alcohol, but when I do it helps me connect the universal dots. However, the fall is horrible every time; It takes me weeks to get back to normal. Like this weird bleeding effect.

I feel, but i don't like displaying how I feel so it comes off cold and unaffected. But I feel deeply. Then I isolate myself

Idk I hate having my moon in 12th.

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This is my experience too.

I have to make myself not do certain things because I know I'm prone to addiction.

posted July 28, 2014 11:09 AM            

http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrities/moon/pisces/1.htm

http://www.astrotheme.com/celebrities/moon/m12/1.htm

posted July 28, 2014 11:49 AM            

this list indicates serial killers have mutable energy:

Ted Bundy - Sagittarius Jeffrey Dahmer - Gemini Ed Gein - Virgo John Wayne Gacy - Pisces Mary Bell - Gemini Leslie Bailey - Pisces George Chapman - Sagittarius David Berkowitz - Gemini Kenneth Bianchi - Gemini Richard Biegenwald - Virgo Terry Blair - Virgo Dean Carter - Virgo Richard Chase - Gemini Alton Coleman - Sagittarius Charles Cullen - Pisces Andrew Cunanan - Virgo Albert DeSalvo - Virgo Donald Henry Gaskins - Pisces Randy Steven Kraft - Pisces Timothy Krajcir - Sagittarius Henry Lee Lucas - Virgo Richard Ramirez - Pisces András Pándy - Gemini Paul Bernardo - Virgo Danny Rolling - Gemini Arthur Shawcross - Gemini Gerald Stano (Bundy's prison roommate) - Virgo Marybeth Tinning - Virgo Ottis Toole - Pisces Wayne Williams - Gemini Aileen Wuornos - Pisces Robert Lee Yates - Gemini

Plus! Gary Ridgeway/Green River Killer - Pisces Rodney Alcala - Virgo Richard Speck - Sag Tex Watson - Sag Richard Angelo - Virgo Benjamin Atkins - Virgo Doug Clark and Carol Bundy - Pisces and Virgo Kenneth Bianchi - Gemini John Norman Collins - Gemini Jared Lee Loughner - Virgo Steven Kazmierczak - Virgo Richard Loeb - Gemini (Leopold was a Scorpio) Paul Stephani/"The Weepy Voiced Killer" - Virgo Juan Covington - Pisces Harvey Glatman - Sag Richard Cottingham - Sag Joseph Duncan - Pisces Larry Eyler - Sag Christopher Wilder - Pisces Faryion Wardrip - Pisces Jack Owen Spillman - Virgo Timothy Spencer - Pisces Morris Solomon, Jr. - Pisces Robert Silveria, Jr./"Boxcar Killer" - Pisces Daniel Siebert - Gemini Harvey Miguel Robinson - Sag Steven Pinnell/"Route 40 Killer" - Sag Marie Noe - Virgo David Mason - Sag Richard Marquette - Sag Anthony Kirkland - Virgo Edmund Kemper - Sag Speed Freak Killers - Sag and Pisces Dana Sue Gray - Sag Cathy Wood - Pisces Mark Goudeau - Virgo Lorenzo Gilyard - Gemini Bobby Jack Fowler - Gemini Wayne Adam Ford - Sag Raymond Fernandez - Sag

I also found many have cap mars or cancer mars.

posted July 28, 2014 12:36 PM              

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Noo.Not fair. You can't single them out like that. There is more to the story than that.

The sign is the "knowing" of an issue. But the house is the actual "experience". So which is more important? Can you even make a pick?

Put it like this; the Moon in Pisces may know all about wines and champagnes,but it is the Moon in 12th who often "feels" drunk and gets the hangovers.

The Moon in Pisces is the "knowledge" or "awareness" of other realms,other worlds and even sensitivity to it.

The Moon in 12th is the "experience" of other worlds,realms and actually lives it.

You are more likely to find 12th house Moons deal with issues of alcoholism, drug abuse, depression and isolation than you are to find those who strictly have their Moon in Pisces.

Don't even get me started on Neptune sitting on the Moon.....

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As one with a stellium in 12th and my moon being apart of that I really liked your analogy, agreed with it very much.

posted July 28, 2014 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
John Wayne Gacy is a Pisces, Pisces moon
Wayne Williams, Dean Corll and Gary Ridgway have Pisces mars

this list indicates serial killers have mutable energy:

Ted Bundy - Sagittarius Jeffrey Dahmer - Gemini Ed Gein - Virgo John Wayne Gacy - Pisces Mary Bell - Gemini Leslie Bailey - Pisces George Chapman - Sagittarius David Berkowitz - Gemini Kenneth Bianchi - Gemini Richard Biegenwald - Virgo Terry Blair - Virgo Dean Carter - Virgo Richard Chase - Gemini Alton Coleman - Sagittarius Charles Cullen - Pisces Andrew Cunanan - Virgo Albert DeSalvo - Virgo Donald Henry Gaskins - Pisces Randy Steven Kraft - Pisces Timothy Krajcir - Sagittarius Henry Lee Lucas - Virgo Richard Ramirez - Pisces András Pándy - Gemini Paul Bernardo - Virgo Danny Rolling - Gemini Arthur Shawcross - Gemini Gerald Stano (Bundy's prison roommate) - Virgo Marybeth Tinning - Virgo Ottis Toole - Pisces Wayne Williams - Gemini Aileen Wuornos - Pisces Robert Lee Yates - Gemini

Plus! Gary Ridgeway/Green River Killer - Pisces Rodney Alcala - Virgo Richard Speck - Sag Tex Watson - Sag Richard Angelo - Virgo Benjamin Atkins - Virgo Doug Clark and Carol Bundy - Pisces and Virgo Kenneth Bianchi - Gemini John Norman Collins - Gemini Jared Lee Loughner - Virgo Steven Kazmierczak - Virgo Richard Loeb - Gemini (Leopold was a Scorpio) Paul Stephani/"The Weepy Voiced Killer" - Virgo Juan Covington - Pisces Harvey Glatman - Sag Richard Cottingham - Sag Joseph Duncan - Pisces Larry Eyler - Sag Christopher Wilder - Pisces Faryion Wardrip - Pisces Jack Owen Spillman - Virgo Timothy Spencer - Pisces Morris Solomon, Jr. - Pisces Robert Silveria, Jr./"Boxcar Killer" - Pisces Daniel Siebert - Gemini Harvey Miguel Robinson - Sag Steven Pinnell/"Route 40 Killer" - Sag Marie Noe - Virgo David Mason - Sag Richard Marquette - Sag Anthony Kirkland - Virgo Edmund Kemper - Sag Speed Freak Killers - Sag and Pisces Dana Sue Gray - Sag Cathy Wood - Pisces Mark Goudeau - Virgo Lorenzo Gilyard - Gemini Bobby Jack Fowler - Gemini Wayne Adam Ford - Sag Raymond Fernandez - Sag

I also found many have cap mars or cancer mars.

sorry for getting off topic

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posted July 28, 2014 01:10 PM            

So to me, the 12th house can cause isolation issues or feeling disconnected from parts of yourself but to manifest into real life escapism issues, I think the aspects to your 12th house placements will make a huge difference in if you fall down that hole or if you don't.
That being said, I've seen pisces fall apart for no apparent reason. They had no harsh aspects to their pisces placements at all, they just get lost trying to live between the real and the unseen. It's not easy to live in reality when you walk between these 2 worlds.
I think a pisces placement would have a harder time finding a way to ground themselves than a 12th house placement would, IMO. The reason I think this is because a pisces personal planet is a part of you, the house is how the planets energy is directed.

But then again, I'm speaking from my experience and my 12th house placement is in an Earth sign, so I could be wrong.

posted July 28, 2014 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Richard Ramirez was a Pisces Sun and Moon too

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It's interesting.

Gacy and Ramirez both had sun-moon-Mercury and south node in Pisces, with Venus in Aquarius.

Moons at critical degrees, right near the cusp:

Gacy's moon @ 29 Pisces
Ramirez's moon @ 30 Pisces

posted July 28, 2014 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Comatoes:
Don't really agree about 12th house having it easier than Pisces, at least a Pisces can have other houses to operate from, but 12th house planets are stuck, no where to go. A Pisces with a 10th house stellium will probably fair much better than a person with 12th house planets especially when you got the Sun, Mercury, Moon, and Mars there, these are major part of the personality and they are locked down like the Moon is locked and we only see one side. That is why 12th house planets are like retrograde planets, they are felt very deeply. I'm not saying it's not difficult being a Pisces because it can be. Let's say we are on equal footing that 12th, Pisces, and Neptunian people are very similar. All it takes is a crappy transit, circumstances, or health stuff to rattle us to the extreme.

I have all Water planets in 12th, so it's like double Water. Having planets in the other 3 elements (air, earth, fire) in the 12th house is not as strong as having Pisces, Cancer, Scorpio planets in the 12th that is when the 12th can get very interesting...

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i actually think that 12th moon ppl like me have it tougher than pisces moon. I totally agree with you. When it's your moon sign, intuition is integrated.

My moon is in aries so I am confused most of the time about how I feel. It's so diffused. Yet because of Aries being my moon sign, I am prone to ignore that fact and just go out and about.

posted July 28, 2014 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
i actually think that 12th moon ppl like me have it tougher than pisces moon. I totally agree with you. When it's your moon sign, intuition is integrated.

My moon is in aries so I am confused most of the time about how I feel. It's so diffused. Yet because of Aries being my moon sign, I am prone to ignore that fact and just go out and about.

Not only that, my moon tightly square my venus and north node. So issues of abandonment are major in my life. I am just not sensing them.

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posted October 30, 2017 04:34 AM            

I posted my chart on here and asked about why I have had a problem with habitually listening to music in order to escape to an alternate universe for me since I was young. Someone discribed it as getting a high off music. I havent ever thought of it thar way, but since they mentioned it, it made sense actually. So maybe that's my case? I dont know.

I wouldnt say I have it harder than a Pisces moon, since I dont know how they feel so I dont feel like I have the place to say. But the way Pisces moon is described sounds way better than a 12th house moon. 12th house moon is so hard to understand? While Pisces moon gets all the good traits. People always say these people are sweethearts. 12th house moons? We get plaqued as detached. People dont always get to know or see our vulnerabilities. So people assume we dont feel? Not to mention that I am a Piscean with a Pisces stellium people think Im a ditz. I still would like to know the difference between 12th house mooners and Pisces mooner. One thing I have observed though is that I think Pisces moon people are more outgoing and sociable while 12th house mooners are introverted and shy? Maybe its just me? Because I notice my friends and classmates in my age range who are only 3 days apart from me, having a Pisces moon they were more outgoing than me. A lot more. But just an observation.

posted October 30, 2017 05:37 AM            

I posted my chart on here and asked about why I have had a problem with habitually listening to music in order to escape to an alternate universe for me since I was young. Someone discribed it as getting a high off music. I havent ever thought of it thar way, but since they mentioned it, it made sense actually. So maybe that's my case? I dont know.

I wouldnt say I have it harder than a Pisces moon, since I dont know how they feel so I dont feel like I have the place to say. But the way Pisces moon is described sounds way better than a 12th house moon. 12th house moon is so hard to understand? While Pisces moon gets all the good traits. People always say these people are sweethearts. 12th house moons? We get plaqued as detached. People dont always get to know or see our vulnerabilities. So people assume we dont feel? Not to mention that I am a Piscean with a Pisces stellium people think Im a ditz. I still would like to know the difference between 12th house mooners and Pisces mooner. One thing I have observed though is that I think Pisces moon people are more outgoing and sociable while 12th house mooners are introverted and shy? Maybe its just me? Because I notice my friends and classmates in my age range who are only 3 days apart from me, having a Pisces moon they were more outgoing than me. A lot more. But just an observation.