posted August 09, 2014 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by 7Grace:
The way I would explain this is more symbolic.
With the movie, Mask.
There is a scene when the boy explains color to the Blind girl. Does it lead her to some understanding of color, sure. Has she seen color, will she ever know what color looks like, um no.
http://www.anyclip.com/movies/mask/showing-colors/#!quotes/

The point is, the intellect isn't all knowing. Communication can only get you so far.

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Hmmmm....that's interesting to think about.

posted August 09, 2014 06:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Brobian:

My mother is a solar pisces and she will shed her tears for just about anyone or anything, though never really does much for herself.

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I'm a Pisces and the windows to my soul (eyes) leak for just about anyone and anything too. It's pretty bad. My Aries step-daughter used to pause Disney's Lion King at the part when Scar kills Mufasa, then she would call me in the room and hit play so she could revel in making me cry.

My Aries step-daughter has since moved into her own place with her Pisces fiance and they have an Aries daughter. Needless to say, he frequently contemplates leaving the relationship because he feels her callous treatment of family and friends makes their life more difficult and less pleasurable.

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On a brighter note...a few blocks down the road from where I live is a scuba diving school and store. There is always a funny joke or clever pun on the Sign outside the store. They recently changed the Sign and this is what it says:

Why wouldn't the oyster give anyone his pearl?

...He was shellfish

posted August 09, 2014 01:17 PM            

I realize that most people aren't capable of that level of giving but I don't want to let that harden me or make me cold or bitter or resentful. I just have to forgive, as well as realize, to risk sounding corny, that it really is "better to give than to receive." SOMETIMES. Sometimes, you really need to just take care of yourself. But, with maturity, I'm learning how to see myself as the giver of care and not others. Therefore, I don't really expect others to give that much to me. If they do, then great. But, I know most people aren't capable of that kind of consistent empathetic behavior and expecting others to do what I do for them is only sort of setting myself up for disappointment.

As long as I can take care of my needs and be good to myself, I'll be fine. I do want the people in my life to be generally kind and respectful toward me. But, that's all I can really expect. Anything else has to come from the inside.

posted August 09, 2014 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Brobian:
I have a water moon in my chart. I honestly have to say that, I know a lot of water signs as well and none of them are ever emotionally selfish, quite the contrary.
My mother is a solar pisces and she will shed her tears for just about anyone or anything, though never really does much for herself.
I am a lunar pisces and I'm really not much different then her. I am completely attuned to the emotions of other people, especially those I'm connected too, however, I rarely show emotion for myself. My children for example, I'm keenly attuned to them. I can feel and see, the moment they walk in the door from school, what is going on inside their emotional mind sets. Then, when I comment about it, they instinctively try and change their emotional output, like I wouldn't notice the swift change in their emotional energy. I know they are doing it, not because they care I know about how they are feeling, but rather, they do not like that I always know how they are feeling. I think that they feel almost violated that I'm always reading them and after I've thought it through, I'd decided to try and disconnect myself some. I wouldn't want someone reading my emotional signature all the time. However, they are my children and I love them, so I haven't disconnected, rather, I just remain quiet.
My mother is an emotional waterfall, I can be anywhere inside their house and know how she is feeling, it's usually that strong. She is the same as my children. If I ask about it, she immediately try's to hide the emotion and replace it with another. Again, I can easily feel the change. In regards to the pisces I know, if they are emotionally selfish, it's because they selfishly give it outward to the world and not enough into themselves.

On the other hand, I know a few solar cancers and they are definitely, in my opinion, more emotionally selfish. Through those I've interacted with, then tend to focus their emotions on themselves, rather then outward to others.

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posted August 09, 2014 03:17 PM            

Pluto is squaring my whole chart bar Neptune and my SENSE of emotion run deeper than the Mariana Trench! Nuances...vibrations....it won't escape me but I will show none of mine, almost never, unless you have managed to **** me off..

I don't cling. I don't cry unless I haven't slept for 72 hours. I don't bi*ch and moan. I don't complain.

I need to shut myself off this way since I feel everyone else's feelings.

I will help anyone in need though. Just know that if you come to me, be prepared to try and help me help you. I am a "fixer".

posted August 10, 2014 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The majority I've seen like this are water sun signs....a few moons but usually afflicted moons.

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I agree with this, generally. Not all Water Suns, of course. But, in my experience, Water Suns are MUCH more prone to be emotionally self-absorbed than Water Moons. The Sun is the self and it's like they ARE their feelings. And they can be giving and nurturing yet they are much more wrapped up in their emotional needs than Water Moons, as the Sun is where we can be egocentric. I think, because the Moon is so instinctive, Water Moons often put themselves in others' shoes much easier, even if they have a Fire or Air Sun. We don't even have to think about it. Empathy typically just flows out of a Water Moon.

posted August 10, 2014 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I agree with this, generally. Not all Water Suns, of course. But, in my experience, Water Suns are MUCH more prone to be emotionally self-absorbed than Water Moons. The Sun is the self and it's like they ARE their feelings. And they can be giving and nurturing yet they are much more wrapped up in their emotional needs than Water Moons, as the Sun is where we can be egocentric. I think, because the Moon is so instinctive, Water Moons often put themselves in others' shoes much easier, even if they have a Fire or Air Sun. We don't even have to think about it. Empathy typically just flows out of a Water Moon.

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Sadly, I must agree with this. (I'm sure aspects play their role in this) But, if we strictly speak Sun/Moon.

Off the top of my head, there are 2 Cancer Suns, that are quite ruthless.

The first Cancer Sun guy. Cut off all connection with his own Mother. He didn't even attend her funeral! Also, his brother in law verbally disciplined his nephew and his young son, in his presence, and he did not agree with that at all. So he cut him off, as well as his sister and his niece and nephews (his sister and 2 of her children weren't even there when this happened).

The second Cancer Sun guy. Was a succubus, anointing my friend as his children's surrogate Mother (their natural mother had died young). Even designing how she could save money, for his children's future. She did all the games, PTA, you name it. (They are no longer together. Not by her choice, she had bonded with his children (she can never have children of her own). But somehow he found she lacked mothering skills.)

You guys may have a case with Water Suns. At the same time, with both Suns mentioned above, their children are their world.

posted August 11, 2014 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Water signs (Especially Cancer) are very emotionally biased, and aren't open to sharing their love with other non-family/non-blood or non-close ones that are actually deserving of it.
I even notice this first-hand with my Cancer Mother that has a Pisces Moon.

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posted August 11, 2014 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I am the exact opposite! I give my love freely to anyone that is not too close and I hold off on the people closest to me. I like distance in love so I don't get drowned in muddy waters. I don't even like when people stand too close to me because I can't see them, only feel them..

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You do realize that I'm talking about the sign itself, and not the Sun sign, right?