posted August 06, 2014 05:43 PM            

Don't tell me I'm dealing with immature water signs because I've seen it over n over again from every water dominant person I've met.
The only time it's different is when the person has another sign equal or overpowering their water.

posted August 06, 2014 06:17 PM            

(I have Moon sq. Pluto in addition to a Water Sun.)

That being said I can listen to others' concerns and feelings, as long as I myself am in a detached state. If I'm emotionally aroused then you can be sure I won't be listening to anything you say if you have an emotional tone. A calm and reasonable approach will be much more effective.

posted August 06, 2014 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I can only speak for myself but when I'm emotionally aroused, it feels like my feelings > everyone else's feelings.
I mean in terms of intensity.

(I have Moon sq. Pluto in addition to a Water Sun.)

That being said I can listen to others' concerns and feelings, as long as I myself am in a detached state. If I'm emotionally aroused then you can be sure I won't be listening to anything you say if you have an emotional tone. A calm and reasonable approach will be much more effective.

I agree with heavy Earth influence being beneficial for Watery people. Especially Earth Moons.

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What you said about it feeling like your feelings are one with everyone else's feelings is exactly what I'm talking about.
Water signs believe they hear you, but really they only hear your emotions through their emotions. They feel what they feel and you feel are one in the same instead of setting their emotions to the side and just listening or genuinely hearing your emotions....they feel they already understand you but they don't really hear you because they are listening to their own emotions as a filter.

posted August 06, 2014 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
^^So basically how do you get a water sign to be logical?

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posted August 06, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
When water influenced people reach a point where they shut down and no longer care about anyone's emotions - it means that they are already extremely hurt.
It takes them a long while to reach this point and become selfish. It happens because they were so much in the opposite extreme - too selfless - for too long and they are on the verge of a nervous breakdown... so they feel like they need to draw a line - and look after themselves for a change.

This is what Ive noticed anyway.

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posted August 06, 2014 08:42 PM            

I think we all "understand" others' feelings from our own point of reference, no? I can logically understand quite a few things but there won't be much empathy or feeling with it if I haven't been there myself. It'll be more of a, 'Okay, I see' type of thing.

I like Odette's point.
That's mainly what happened to me. In the past I'd always care about others too much, I'd make myself sick with other people's problems. I would always offer support and an ear to listen. Then, I don't know why or how exactly, but I lost most of my ability to truly care about people. So yes, I'm more selfish now than before, but that's also because I feel much less.

And I've never really felt like I was truly listened to in my whole life. When you feel that way you bottle things up and they become very pressurized inside. That's why when they do come out, they demand attention and validation. Years and years of pent-up feelings... well, they feel intense, that's for sure. Maybe that's also the reason. We hold things in for such a long time that when we do let them out we are incapable of caring about what's going on in other people or around us.

Quite a few people have heavy emotional baggage that prevents them from being fully present with others and hear them. We all have our own subjective filters that color the way we perceive things. Some of us are so saturated that we simply can't take other people's stuff in. We have too much of our own (even if it feels like too little).

posted August 06, 2014 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I don't have a lot if water so I'm able to set my feelings aside for others and listen to them, understand them and adapt for them.

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Are you sure it's because you lack water?

Rabbits are sympathetic like that.

posted August 06, 2014 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You can't really expect someone to understand your feelings if they don't want to do it, or if they can't do it.

I think we all "understand" others' feelings from our own point of reference, no? I can logically understand quite a few things but there won't be much empathy or feeling with it if I haven't been there myself. It'll be more of a, 'Okay, I see' type of thing.

I like Odette's point.
That's mainly what happened to me. In the past I'd always care about others too much, I'd make myself sick with other people's problems. I would always offer support and an ear to listen. Then, I don't know why or how exactly, but I lost most of my ability to truly care about people. So yes, I'm more selfish now than before, but that's also because I feel much less.

And I've never really felt like I was truly listened to in my whole life. When you feel that way you bottle things up and they become very pressurized inside. That's why when they do come out, they demand attention and validation. Years and years of pent-up feelings... well, they feel intense, that's for sure. Maybe that's also the reason. We hold things in for such a long time that when we do let them out we are incapable of caring about what's going on in other people or around us.

Quite a few people have heavy emotional baggage that prevents them from being fully present with others and hear them. We all have our own subjective filters that color the way we perceive things. Some of us are so saturated that we simply can't take other people's stuff in. We have too much of our own (even if it feels like too little).

That's not the only reason possible, of course. Plenty of people simply couldn't care less about how you feel, they're too busy with their own lives/themselves. I think that applies to most people, and it's fairly normal.

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Amazing. Honestly, could not have said it better myself. As a person with a Scorpio signature, I've been accused now and then by certain people of being too 'self-absorbed' in my feelings. My defense: I can be amazingly kind and empathetic, but when I am going through one of my ups or downs, I just can't be. The tidal waves of my feelings consume me from the inside out. I can barely support myself, let alone another person. Another good point you made is the fact that sometimes, the inner reservoirs of Water people 'dry up', so to speak, when we have been taken advantage of one too many times or feel time and time again that we are misunderstood when we try to reach out to others. It's natural that we may emotionally disconnect from not just other people, but also a part of ourselves as we feel bitter, lost and hopeless.

posted August 06, 2014 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Are you sure it's because you lack water?

Rabbits are sympathetic like that.

Rabbit = year of Pisces

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posted August 06, 2014 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
When water influenced people reach a point where they shut down and no longer care about anyone's emotions - it means that they are already extremely hurt.
It takes them a long while to reach this point and become selfish. It happens because they were so much in the opposite extreme - too selfless - for too long and they are on the verge of a nervous breakdown... so they feel like they need to draw a line - and look after themselves for a change.

This is what Ive noticed anyway.

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posted August 06, 2014 11:57 PM            

Why are Air signs so detached, close-minded, emotionally inexperienced and fickle?

posted August 07, 2014 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You can't really expect someone to understand your feelings if they don't want to do it, or if they can't do it.

I think we all "understand" others' feelings from our own point of reference, no? I can logically understand quite a few things but there won't be much empathy or feeling with it if I haven't been there myself. It'll be more of a, 'Okay, I see' type of thing.

I like Odette's point.
That's mainly what happened to me. In the past I'd always care about others too much, I'd make myself sick with other people's problems. I would always offer support and an ear to listen. Then, I don't know why or how exactly, but I lost most of my ability to truly care about people. So yes, I'm more selfish now than before, but that's also because I feel much less.

And I've never really felt like I was truly listened to in my whole life. When you feel that way you bottle things up and they become very pressurized inside. That's why when they do come out, they demand attention and validation. Years and years of pent-up feelings... well, they feel intense, that's for sure. Maybe that's also the reason. We hold things in for such a long time that when we do let them out we are incapable of caring about what's going on in other people or around us.

Quite a few people have heavy emotional baggage that prevents them from being fully present with others and hear them. We all have our own subjective filters that color the way we perceive things. Some of us are so saturated that we simply can't take other people's stuff in. We have too much of our own (even if it feels like too little).

That's not the only reason possible, of course. Plenty of people simply couldn't care less about how you feel, they're too busy with their own lives/themselves. I think that applies to most people, and it's fairly normal.

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posted August 07, 2014 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
When water influenced people reach a point where they shut down and no longer care about anyone's emotions - it means that they are already extremely hurt.
It takes them a long while to reach this point and become selfish. It happens because they were so much in the opposite extreme - too selfless - for too long and they are on the verge of a nervous breakdown... so they feel like they need to draw a line - and look after themselves for a change.

This is what Ive noticed anyway.

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That's me, right there. I can be so giving. I can be so, so selfish, too. It's all where you stand with me.

posted August 07, 2014 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Amazing. Honestly, could not have said it better myself. As a person with a Scorpio signature, I've been accused now and then by certain people of being too 'self-absorbed' in my feelings. My defense: I can be amazingly kind and empathetic, but when I am going through one of my ups or downs, I just can't be. The tidal waves of my feelings consume me from the inside out. I can barely support myself, let alone another person. Another good point you made is the fact that sometimes, the inner reservoirs of Water people 'dry up', so to speak, when we have been taken advantage of one too many times or feel time and time again that we are misunderstood when we try to reach out to others. It's natural that we may emotionally disconnect from not just other people, but also a part of ourselves as we feel bitter, lost and hopeless.

The bottom line is that all of these actions, some that can frustrate people understandably, stem from deeply rooted feelings that can't easily be shaken. When a Water signature individual seems lost in him/herself, he/she is likely trying to work out an abundance of personal issues, all related to feelings and how utterly overwhelming and destructive they can be. I have been in many positions where I want to desperately help someone else, but I am already drowning in my own feelings and face two conflicts of interest: help him/her, or help myself. In the end, after being betrayed and backstabbed so many times by friends and loved ones, I have learned that despite how I seem karmically destined to be around the drama of other people where I feel the need to care for them, I need to help myself emotionally first.

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posted August 07, 2014 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Why are Fire signs so vulgar, aggressive, mean, insensitive, rude, and rough?

Why are Air signs so detached, close-minded, emotionally inexperienced and fickle?

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posted August 07, 2014 12:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
For me, I am water dominant, and it's due to being hurt by the most important people in my life. It's like an open wound that just won't ever heal. I can't explain how overwhelming it is. I feel bad for holding grudges because I don't like to, but my heart won't budge and therefore shuts down and only thinks about me, how I'm feeling. There is only one person who knows me for me and if he ever hurt me I'd have no reason to live. I'd imagine it to be the exact same with other water dominants. I thinks it's all about feeling comfortable, completely comfortable, completely yourself with the people you love or even just trust. We test waters and if they aren't right we step right out of them and don't look back until we're ready. It's all a self preservation method I guess you could call it. It's either be this way or be weak imo. I'm lucky enough to have air right behind which is a total blessing for me.

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posted August 07, 2014 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ya...I guess that's what I'm asking? I just want to be heard n understood....but can a water sign set their emotions to the side to truly understand someone else's emotions? I'm not wanting to be lumped into what they feel I want to be understood for what I feel!
I know my water is filter water, lol....but I am a very emotional person, but I guess I'm logically emotional and very much in control of what I feel and I want to know what others genuinely feel not what I feel they feel. Does that make sense, and if so how do I get a water sign to understand what I'm asking?

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posted August 07, 2014 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Yeah it makes sense. You basically want them to be objective and step outside their own perception of how they think you feel. My Pisces friend assumes stuff about my emotions all the time that's completely wrong. I just correct her every time. It's just training your friends how to respond to you, I guess. Water signs aren't incapable of being objective but I think it's harder for them to think that way.

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