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yellowelevator
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posted August 09, 2014 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowelevator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Wow! You sound just like me. Intriguing. I feel like my upbringing did not allow me the ability to settle down and parent. My parents were erratic and changeable. I never had a strong sense of what a stable home life is like. Therefore, I'm a freedom seeker. Roots aren't important to me. The idea of having stability before my late 40s is not appealing...if I ever adopted a kid, it would be later in life.

Uranus in the 7th makes sense for how you feel, too. You're yet another Venus-Moon person I've seen [with the hard aspect] who has felt this way. I'm surprised I don't have a harsh Moon-Venus aspect, honestly.


I am sorry to hear that about your early home-life. Mine was a bit the same way. I definitely don't feel used to stability, nor sometimes do I think I know what it is, lol. I hear you on adoption.

Yeah, it seems to be a common theme, eh? Must actually be somewhat significant. Perhaps you have another aspect that you have found is a possible culprit?

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posted August 09, 2014 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
I am sorry to hear that about your early home-life. Mine was a bit the same way. I definitely don't feel used to stability, nor sometimes do I think I know what it is, lol. I hear you on adoption.

Yeah, it seems to be a common theme, eh? Must actually be somewhat significant. Perhaps you have another aspect that you have found is a possible culprit?


Thank you, and sorry to know that you had a similar situation. :'/ I was just reading about starseeds and it's insane how much I relate to the concept....I had a strange, chaotic home life where I never really felt like my parents were actually my parents. I feel like I was 'dropped' into my family out of nowhere. It didn't help any matter between us at all because I feel they sensed it as well.

I'm a neophile, and I feel strongly about experiencing all that I can. I am amazed that some people have the desire and dedication to have kids below the age of 25 or 26, vs. going out and exploring. I do respect young parents who are successful. It seems that's just their calling in life...but I always knew from a young age that children and family life is not mine. I'm absolutely sure that my desire to travel and help people vs. having a family, and basic security, etc. is from my Moon in the 9th conj. Chiron, trine Uranus-Neptune.

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posted August 09, 2014 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowelevator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My 5th house ruler is Uranus and her Venus conjuncts it. I just now thought of that.
That could be a large part of it.

I don't like to give my age out... But... Late 30's.
I don't get concerned about how old I'll be when they're in college, etc.
I'll still feel young and look ten years younger like I do now.


Yeah, that is possible.

No problem about age! I'm sometimes reluctant to give mine out too, but I figure most people on this site have at least half a brain lol. Hmmm, gotta wonder if it must be that Gemini energy keeping you looking and feeling younger!

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posted August 09, 2014 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowelevator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Thank you, and sorry to know that you had a similar situation. :'/ I was just reading about starseeds and it's insane how much I relate to the concept....I had a strange, chaotic home life where I never really felt like my parents were actually my parents. I feel like I was 'dropped' into my family out of nowhere. It didn't help any matter between us at all because I feel they sensed it as well.

I'm a neophile, and I feel strongly about experiencing all that I can. I am amazed that some people have the desire and dedication to have kids below the age of 25 or 26, vs. going out and exploring. I do respect young parents who are successful. It seems that's just their calling in life...but I always knew from a young age that children and family life is not mine. I'm absolutely sure that my desire to travel and help people vs. having a family, and basic security, etc. is from my Moon in the 9th conj. Chiron, trine Uranus-Neptune.


Aww, thank you as well. Starseeds is quite an interesting topic! I suppose I relate to it somewhat too. Wow, I am sorry to hear that you grew up feeling that way, that is not easy at all and it must have made you quite uncomfortable and felt like a burden. If you can also identify with feeling 'alien' which I'm guessing was a very similar feeling, I always felt that way too. Not necessarily about family, but just in general I guess.

I am amazed by that too! It seems so foreign to me as I too am way more into learning and experiencing all that I can. But like you said, some end up being successful at it despite young age and possible lack of experience, but I guess then you'd have to give them kudos for that. And those aspects definitely sound like a perfect fit for your feelings and experience!

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posted August 09, 2014 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No children here, never wanted them.
Saturn square Venus,
Saturn conjunct Moon
Uranus in 5th house

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posted August 09, 2014 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is such an interesting thread! It's great to read so many points of view.
I only mentioned my Moon-Uranus conjunction so far, but reading others' responses, these are a few other aspects I have that might indicate lack of desire for biological children:

-H5 is completely empty, in AQU(Uranus retrograde, in H3, conjunct Moon)
-no Moon-Saturn aspect, but they are in the same house(H2)
-Moon opposite Chiron
-Chiron in H8 - I think this might relate to fear of pregnancy, as I read that Chiron in a house makes the native greatly fear injuries and wounds in that body part - so H8: huge fear of reproductive injuries and wounds.
-Gemini Ceres in H9 - I don't think anyone mentioned Ceres, but that is a mothering/fertility type of body, so I think it contributes. In H9, I like children, but my interaction with them is more about teaching, broadening their horizon, providing care through making them clever/mentally wealthy(tight Jupiter trine) etc - more public than private and more mental than emotional.

So a question - where is everyone's Ceres and what is she doing?


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Please don't be apologetic, I loved your response and how thorough it is!

So sorry you've had similar experiences to me. We do sound quite alike. I knew from the age of 15 that I did not want to have a family because I am a careerist, and something never felt 'right' to me about having kids with a man. I came to the conclusion in the last year that I am gay, not bisexual, and it makes sense about why I always felt revolted about the idea of having a man's child.

I'm glad you shared your story and your reasoning with me. I feel overprotection, whether it relates to a child, a lover, a family member, friend, etc. is rooted in a fear of loss. Being overly concerned with something when there is no reason to be is definitely linked to anxiety. I feel like this with friends and lovers sometimes...it isn't unnatural, and it's even more expected for it to happen with your own kid. It sounds like it would be unpleasant for you to deal with it. And of course, passing down genetic/personality issues is a huge factor for many people. I can see that. It's not uncommon for women to fear pregnancy's physical effects, either.

Your Moon conjunct Uranus really speaks of your unique, independent stance on motherhood, and how you may feel like you wish to have it but it's too unpredictable for you and your body. I have the trine and I feel that having a child goes against my need for total independence. It's a very Uranian desire.



Good for you for figuring out your sexuality. So many people don't want to think about it and stay in denial about what they truly want all their lives, which is really sad and it holds them back. It's especially bad when there are children involved in a situation like that, they get so many mixed messages about sexuality from a confused parent.

Yes, I think anxiety is fairly standard in parenting. But with my Uranus-Moon link, I don't like myself when I'm anxious and I don't feel like myself. There is a huge desire to feel emotionally free and able to express myself to feel good with myself. And, probably due to my upbringing, I feel it's very important to be emotionally and mentally available to a child, and I have a tendency to close myself off when I'm not feeling alright, which is a very Moon-Uranus thing to do, they do trip each other up. It's like if one of them is not at their best, you need to shut the other one off until you smooth things over. A complicated aspect, for sure, as is any Moon-outer planet conjunction.

I can see how a trine would be a little less confusing maybe, because of the separation, but equally demanding.

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posted August 09, 2014 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing! It seems that a running theme for not wanting kids is Saturn 5H/5H ruler, Moon-Saturn, Moon-Chiron, Moon-Uranus, and any 'malefic' in the 5th. I'm glad you can relate to what I am saying. Nothing will give me more joy than connecting and loving children in foreign countries when I do my service work. I don't need to have my own child. I want to take care of other people's children and families who need help and support from someone.

I feel the same way, about who I want to take care of. I guess I feel that, it would be so much smarter for me to take care of dozens, maybe hundreds of children in my life, making all their lives a little better through teaching and charity work, rather than just focusing on one or two. If you have the instincts and the resources to help, why not help as many as you can? It sort of feels selfish to bring another child into the world when there are millions of orphaned children living very unhappily. I think that's my 11th house in Leo talking.
I'm a Libra ASC, so my H5-H11 are reversed - H5 in AQU, H11 in LEO, and both completely empty.

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I deeply wish that there were more honest people out there about staying child free. I deeply commend those who are true to what they want in life and follow their path because there are many who truly do not want to have children, but end up having them. Some poor children suffer from the consequences of it.

I completely agree! So many people end up having children just because they feel they have to. And it ends up just like a job that you're doing just to pay the bills. A child feels the lack of education and enthusiasm for parenting in a parent from infancy, and it can only get worse. I know that it's unrealistic for every parent in the world to be prepared, educated and willing when they become a parent, but I do feel that things would be better if people succumbed to pressure to do things they don't feel are right for them a little less.

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posted August 09, 2014 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I have to disagree. Many of us who feel this way, male or female, are old souls, Indigos and starseeds. We are highly sure of what we want and do not want. Many of us have known from a young age that we are not meant to bear children. So it's all a matter of perspective, I think. I, personally, feel age does not always have a thing to do with determining how seriously a person feels about a topic.

Guy here. And well said

Kids are admin. Lots of admin. I just don't think I'm ready or will ever be READY for the life-long task of rearing one.

Though I know that there are various options available nowadays for gay guys like me, but still- I just don't picture me with kids running around me screaming "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!!" all the time.

It brings tears to my eyes.But not the wholesome,loving kind.

5th house cusp in Virgo.The ruler is Mercury- sitting in the 9th.

I feel too "all over the place". Too concerned with personal growth and exploration to babysit a needy kid.

If I do have a kid. It is likely that the kid will have their Moon aspecting Uranus/Saturn/Mars by conjunction- so that they learn not to depend too heavily on me for emotional sustenance.

If they are intellectually bright and innovative. Than I will consider myself truly blessed. And the experience of parenthood may be the most joyful yet

But even then only 1 will do. No more!!!

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posted August 09, 2014 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
o/

Moon quintile Uranus
Moon op Saturn
Moon op Venus

I am 38 if it matters.

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I'm so cappy
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posted August 09, 2014 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Thanks! I'm trying my best to be patient with people who tell me things like that. Some of them are either pushy, ignorant, or both. No use arguing about it. I think that you are definitely right about not owing anyone an explanation as to 'why' you don't want kids. It's really no one's business but your own. I also find it incredibly sexist that many doctors say that they will not tie a woman's tubes because she 'hasn't met the right man yet', of course. I have known several women who have had this issue. And funny, one of them was already with a guy she loved and sure they both didn't want children, but her doctor just went on this tirade before they could interrupt. WTF...? You shouldn't have to propose an argument about why you don't want kids to be taken seriously by a doctor and have the procedure done, same goes with your family and friends. They should accept your choice without questioning it an asking for an argument to make them agree...

Like I was saying in an above reply, it's interesting how many people who don't want kids have Moon sq. Venus. Moon sq. Saturn is also an obvious indicator of some issues with maternal/yin energies too. I have Moon conjunct Chiron, which I forgot to mention originally, and Chiron has Saturnine energy. I can see how Saturn-Moon is a big indicator as well. I feel that aspect has made me question my ability to nurture others, even when I'm compassionate...it makes me insecure. I'm sure it would translate over with kids too.


Not only the TL situation is scandalous. Some doctors even dare to deny a hysterectomy to women who really need it because they haven't copied themselves :/ Also, some men have problem getting a vasectomy but this issuse is less severe in comparison to the female sterilization. Welcome to Earth. Maybe in a few decades it will be better...If your family and friends nag you about it, maybe it's time establish firm boundaries. I'd tell them - you either start respecting my choice or you stop being part of my life.


I have Moon square Chiron. Wait, actually I have a Chiron-Moon-Saturn t-square. And it's connected to the Nodes.


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Originally posted by starmoon:
i think the placements of a woman who is lets say over 40 already and didn't have kids is much more interesting than questioning a bunch of teens and 20somethings who have years to change their minds. it'd be more accurate to see placements of older women who never had them imo

If I ever change my mind, which is very unlikely, I'll foster or adopt. A biological child is out of the question. The most probable scenario is me becoming a legal guardian of the child of my future best friend if they pass away and the only alternative is the kid being taken away by the system. BUT certain conditions have to be met first.

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So a question - where is everyone's Ceres and what is she doing?

Libra, 2nd house, conjunct Moon, square Saturn, sextile Mercury, square Chiron. Hm, another t-square.

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted August 09, 2014 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I have to disagree. Many of us who feel this way, male or female, are old souls, Indigos and starseeds. We are highly sure of what we want and do not want. Many of us have known from a young age that we are not meant to bear children. So it's all a matter of perspective, I think. I, personally, feel age does not always have a thing to do with determining how seriously a person feels about a topic.

oh, i agree with that, for certain. you can be very set at an early age about your preferences and etc, that isn't the problem. the problem is when someone like the original poster - is looking for information about a topic. in order to find accurate information about what placements account for something you have to look at a situation that has already occurred i.e. women old enough who didn't have children - what are their placements? it doesn't make sense to ask people who could change their minds. the answers now will be across the board whereas the OP would get fixed answers if she goes to a group for which this has already occurred.

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posted August 09, 2014 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
oh, i agree with that, for certain. you can be very set at an early age about your preferences and etc, that isn't the problem. the problem is when someone like the original poster - is looking for information about a topic. in order to find accurate information about what placements account for something you have to look at a situation that has already occurred i.e. women old enough who didn't have children - what are their placements? it doesn't make sense to ask people who could change their minds. the answers now will be across the board whereas the OP would get fixed answers if she goes to a group for which this has already occurred.

Oh, OK. I see what you're getting at...I didn't mean to sound defensive, I just took what you said too literally, haha. That's a good point.

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posted August 09, 2014 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
Aww, thank you as well. Starseeds is quite an interesting topic! I suppose I relate to it somewhat too. Wow, I am sorry to hear that you grew up feeling that way, that is not easy at all and it must have made you quite uncomfortable and felt like a burden. If you can also identify with feeling 'alien' which I'm guessing was a very similar feeling, I always felt that way too. Not necessarily about family, but just in general I guess.

I am amazed by that too! It seems so foreign to me as I too am way more into learning and experiencing all that I can. But like you said, some end up being successful at it despite young age and possible lack of experience, but I guess then you'd have to give them kudos for that. And those aspects definitely sound like a perfect fit for your feelings and experience!


You're welcome. I'm fascinated by the concepts of Indigos and starseeds. Thank you for sympathizing with me, it means a lot to me. Sometimes, I did feel like I wasn't really meant to be with my family...and I felt lost in the universe but with a strong sense of purpose at the same time. It's what reminds me of the starseed personality. Feeling 'alien' is never easy, I know what you mean. I've always felt a sense of longing to connect with other worlds.

Successful young parents are truly remarkable. I'm glad that everything I wrote makes sense. I'm definitely the epitome of a Moon-Uranus person above all, for the trine and also having Moon conj. Chiron, since Chiron has energies of both Uranus and Saturn. I can't wait to help out different kids all across the world, they'll feel like my family away from home and that will be enough to make me happy.

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posted August 09, 2014 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
This is such an interesting thread! It's great to read so many points of view.

I only mentioned my Moon-Uranus conjunction so far, but reading others' responses, these are a few other aspects I have that might indicate lack of desire for biological children:

-H5 is completely empty, in AQU(Uranus retrograde, in H3, conjunct Moon)
-no Moon-Saturn aspect, but they are in the same house(H2)
-Moon opposite Chiron
-Chiron in H8 - I think this might relate to fear of pregnancy, as I read that Chiron in a house makes the native greatly fear injuries and wounds in that body part - so H8: huge fear of reproductive injuries and wounds.
-Gemini Ceres in H9 - I don't think anyone mentioned Ceres, but that is a mothering/fertility type of body, so I think it contributes. In H9, I like children, but my interaction with them is more about teaching, broadening their horizon, providing care through making them clever/mentally wealthy(tight Jupiter trine) etc - more public than private and more mental than emotional.

So a question - where is everyone's Ceres and what is she doing?


Thank you so much for your excellent analyses! I really appreciate that. I can already tell you're going to be an amazing member in the LL community. It seems Moon-Saturn, Moon-Chiron and 5H issues are certainly prominent above all with not wanting children of your own.

Very interesting point about Ceres, too. I'm not extremely into studying asteroids, so I forgot about Ceres. I really like your thoughts on your own Ceres placement in the 9th and how it contributes to your desire to teach them, etc. vs. have your own. I feel like my 9H Moon operates similarly! My Ceres is in Leo in the 8th, exactly square my Mercury in Scorpio in the 11th. I feel like more than anything, it represents my own mom and how over-protective she can be, as well as how we have some issues with understanding each other's view points (our Mercuries are square, hers is in Leo and she is Leonine).

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Good for you for figuring out your sexuality. So many people don't want to think about it and stay in denial about what they truly want all their lives, which is really sad and it holds them back. It's especially bad when there are children involved in a situation like that, they get so many mixed messages about sexuality from a confused parent.

Yes, I think anxiety is fairly standard in parenting. But with my Uranus-Moon link, I don't like myself when I'm anxious and I don't feel like myself. There is a huge desire to feel emotionally free and able to express myself to feel good with myself. And, probably due to my upbringing, I feel it's very important to be emotionally and mentally available to a child, and I have a tendency to close myself off when I'm not feeling alright, which is a very Moon-Uranus thing to do, they do trip each other up. It's like if one of them is not at their best, you need to shut the other one off until you smooth things over. A complicated aspect, for sure, as is any Moon-outer planet conjunction.

I can see how a trine would be a little less confusing maybe, because of the separation, but equally demanding.


Thanks for your kindness and encouragement. You are so sweet. I totally agree that it's very important to be true to oneself, not only for oneself but for the sake of one's future. I don't blame parents who have confused sexualities due to their upbringings, feelings of shame, etc...but undeniably, it can be difficult for a younger child to go through a parent having an epiphany about sexuality and other matters. Our judgmental society makes it worse.

Very good points about the difficulties of Moon-Uranus. Even with the trine, I feel like you do. Sometimes, I can become emotionally detached in my pursuits for freedom. I'm moving halfway across the country soon, and don't plan to be near my family ever again. I feel like I have to either have one or the other: close relationships, or independence and the freedom I seek. It's difficult trying to find a happy medium, but I am trying day by day. Having too much stability - i.e., a daily routine work, seeing the same people all the time, going to the same places for fun, etc. - can make me feel more anxious than anything. Paradoxical, isn't it?


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I feel the same way, about who I want to take care of. I guess I feel that, it would be so much smarter for me to take care of dozens, maybe hundreds of children in my life, making all their lives a little better through teaching and charity work, rather than just focusing on one or two. If you have the instincts and the resources to help, why not help as many as you can? It sort of feels selfish to bring another child into the world when there are millions of orphaned children living very unhappily. I think that's my 11th house in Leo talking. I'm a Libra ASC, so my H5-H11 are reversed - H5 in AQU, H11 in LEO, and both completely empty.

It's crazy how alike we are! I love it. I completely agree with everything you've said here. You have an excellent dream, so never give up on it, no matter what! You also strike me as a Piscean/Neptune person, do you have Neptune aspects or Pisces planets?

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posted August 09, 2014 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Guy here. And well said

Though I know that there are various options available nowadays for gay guys like me, but still- I just don't picture me with kids running around me screaming "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!!" all the time.

It brings tears to my eyes.But not the wholesome,loving kind.

5th house cusp in Virgo. The ruler is Mercury - sitting in the 9th.

I feel too "all over the place". Too concerned with personal growth and exploration to babysit a needy kid.

If I do have a kid. It is likely that the kid will have their Moon aspecting Uranus/Saturn/Mars by conjunction- so that they learn not to depend too heavily on me for emotional sustenance.

If they are intellectually bright and innovative. Than I will consider myself truly blessed. And the experience of parenthood may be the most joyful yet

But even then only 1 will do. No more!!!


LOL! I understand where you're coming from...trust me, I would be crying too if someone even called me 'mommy'. I don't want to get old!

Thanks for sharing your story. I think it's interesting that as a male, you have Mars in conj. to both Saturn and Uranus. It seems many women who don't want children have their Moon touching Saturn and/or Uranus, so maybe for men, Mars has to be touching either or both planet to indicate a lack of or dislike of children. Interesting!

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posted August 09, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Not only the TL situation is scandalous. Some doctors even dare to deny a hysterectomy to women who really need it because they haven't copied themselves :/ Also, some men have problem getting a vasectomy but this issuse is less severe in comparison to the female sterilization. Welcome to Earth. Maybe in a few decades it will be better...If your family and friends nag you about it, maybe it's time establish firm boundaries. I'd tell them - you either start respecting my choice or you stop being part of my life.

I have Moon square Chiron. Wait, actually I have a Chiron-Moon-Saturn t-square. And it's connected to the Nodes.

If I ever change my mind, which is very unlikely, I'll foster or adopt. A biological child is out of the question. The most probable scenario is me becoming a legal guardian of the child of my future best friend if they pass away and the only alternative is the kid being taken away by the system. BUT certain conditions have to be met first.


It's truly a shame to see such an issue with female sterilization. I'm not surprised that hysterectomies are also denied to women who truly need them, like with severe endometriosis...it's almost shocking, but then one remembers that we live in a patriarchal society, and that rule usually extends into American medicine. I absolutely prefer female doctors over male doctors for this reason. I'm not close minded, but I don't like going to male doctors. You're absolutely right about setting firm boundaries, too. I think most of my family has come to accept I will never have kids. Coming out to them made the point even more obvious.

Moon-Chiron seems to be a running theme with not wanting children, especially for a woman. I think adoption is a wonderful thing, though certainly not for everyone. I truly applaud you for the idea of taking in your friend's child if he/she ever passes away. It's admirable and wonderful of you to want to do this.

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posted August 09, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I saw your comments on the composite, and will get to them tomorrow. Thanks for sharing. I like your input. I feel 5H Pluto is a very strong placement, tending toward intense relationships with both lovers and children. Your desire to adopt reminds me of Uranus-personal planet aspects.

I have my 11th house stellium and Moon trine Uranus. sooooooo happy I have those or I'd probably die!

I'm so thankful for your attention to that thread. If there's anything I can do to repay you let me know.

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posted August 09, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have my 11th house stellium and Moon trine Uranus. sooooooo happy I have those or I'd probably die!

I'm so thankful for your attention to that thread. If there's anything I can do to repay you let me know.


Ahh, nice! I remember seeing that in your chart when I did the synastry. We're alike in some regards, actually. I have many astral bodies in the 11th, but they are in Scorpio. I feel Moon tr. Uranus is easier than the harsh aspects though not exactly a breeze to manage.

And you're welcome! It's my pleasure. I appreciate your willingness to help me as well. The only thing that's been on my mind lately for a tarot/oracle reading is what my next romantic relationship will be like...nothing new [LOL], but I'm still curious to see if I'll meet anyone in my new location in the next 3-4 months. If you can sense anything about it, I would appreciate your input! I liked the reading you provided in our other tarot exchange, so it would be wonderful to see if you have any other advice for me.

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I am curious to hear opinions about what placements and configurations in the natal chart would lead a woman, a man or someone of the other gender to not want biological children.

My story: I am female. I love working with children, teaching them and consoling them, but I do not want to have a child of my own. I am disconnected from the desire for maternity...I know a family is not for me. If I ever had a child, I would adopt. I have Moon trine Uranus, Moon in the 9th, Sun in the 10th, and my 5H ruler in the 8th opposite Uranus. It can be frustrating when other people reassure me that I will change my mind one day, and when I 'meet the right man' (which always amuses me because I am not interested in men). I'm sure many other women, regardless of orientation, have encountered this. It's annoying!

Do any of you feel this way? Do share your stories and placements. I'm very curious about this. Perhaps for females it relates to what aspects the Moon receives from Uranus, Saturn or Venus. For men, I'm not entirely sure...afflicted Mars, 5th house/5H ruler, possibly? For the other gender, it could be a combination of both. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts!


What you wrote there in bold is exactly how I feel.
The major contributing aspects I feel are:
Moon squ. Uranus
Moon-IC-Artemis opposite BML-MC-Pallas.
Mars and Saturn in Scorpio/5th opposite Sun and Venus in the 11th.
AC-Vesta

I definitely feel like the nurturer/ protector of kids (and animals); that I am truly devoted to them, but I have never liked the idea of being "domesticated" in that sense. I've always felt that there were already enough kids on this planet; kids that are in need of love, care, and guidance, without me having to add more just for the sake of having my own. I have felt this way since I was a child myself.

Interestingly, I've also always felt that my body probably wouldn't handle that well, and there's also the sense of not wanting to pass on certain genetic traits/family patterns...Something I've felt quite intensely since I was in my teens. My feelings on that have not changed (in my 30s now).

ETA: Wow @ the similarities here (e.g. Libran_dream too).

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It's truly a shame to see such an issue with female sterilization. I'm not surprised that hysterectomies are also denied to women who truly need them, like with severe endometriosis...it's almost shocking, but then one remembers that we live in a patriarchal society, and that rule usually extends into American medicine. I absolutely prefer female doctors over male doctors for this reason. I'm not close minded, but I don't like going to male doctors. You're absolutely right about setting firm boundaries, too. I think most of my family has come to accept I will never have kids. Coming out to them made the point even more obvious.

Moon-Chiron seems to be a running theme with not wanting children, especially for a woman. I think adoption is a wonderful thing, though certainly not for everyone. I truly applaud you for the idea of taking in your friend's child if he/she ever passes away. It's admirable and wonderful of you to want to do this.



Thank you. It's probably my Sun conjunct Neptune in the 5th Well, I hope I wouldn't screw up the kid and hate my life after doing this, I'm not a mother material nor I aspire for this role. And hopefully this situation will never arise. Anyway, only adoption and fostering make sense to me to be honest. I wish more people considered it.

I think I too prefer female doctors, at least when it comes to gyns. Wait, but I've never even been to a guy My current one seems to be totally ok with my CF stance, I feel lucky. Good luck with withstanding the oppression. My family doesn't know yet (although I gave my mother some clues) and I don't intend to disclose it in the near future. I can't wait to drop the "no marriage & no offspring" bomb on them though

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posted August 09, 2014 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
What you wrote there in bold is exactly how I feel.
The major contributing aspects I feel are:
Moon squ. Uranus
Moon-IC-Artemis opposite BML-MC-Pallas.
Mars and Saturn in Scorpio/5th opposite Sun and Venus in the 11th.
AC-Vesta

I definitely feel like the nurturer/ protector of kids (and animals); that I am truly devoted to them, but I have never liked the idea of being "domesticated" in that sense. I've always felt that there were already enough kids on this planet; kids that are in need of love, care, and guidance, without me having to add more just for the sake of having my own. I have felt this way since I was a child myself.

Interestingly, I've also always felt that my body probably wouldn't handle that well, and there's also the sense of not wanting to pass on certain genetic traits/family patterns...Something I've felt quite intensely since I was in my teens. My feelings on that have not changed (in my 30s now).

ETA: Wow @ the similarities here (e.g. Libran_dream too).


Thanks for sharing your story, and I'm glad that you can relate to me. It's always nice to connect with other individuals who share similar opinions and beliefs, so you can feel more at home with yourself. Especially when it's a 'non-traditional' belief, like bearing no children. Moon in contact to Uranus is going to definitely lead to a sense of wanting a different kind of home life. For many of us, it will lead to no children at all, because we are too independent to settle down.

Venus opp. Saturn is certainly another big indicator of not wanting kids. I've seen it all throughout this thread. It's even more apparent for you because of the 5H/11H axis emphasis. If Mars is conj. Saturn, even more apparent that you will not prefer to have children. Saturn in the 5th may give you that sense of anxiety about feeling physically unfit to carry children. I've also noticed that Saturnine people tend to be more realistic when it comes to having kids. Especially when it comes to being concerned about passing on negative traits and genes. I'm the same way. I have a longstanding history of bipolar/depression in my family and feel I may have some degree of bipolar or something similar to it. Yet another reason why I don't want biological kids!

Thanks again for opening up and sharing.

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Thank you. It's probably my Sun conjunct Neptune in the 5th Well, I hope I wouldn't screw up the kid and hate my life after doing this, I'm not a mother material nor I aspire for this role. And hopefully this situation will never arise. Anyway, only adoption and fostering make sense to me to be honest. I wish more people considered it.

I think I too prefer female doctors, at least when it comes to gyns. Wait, but I've never even been to a guy My current one seems to be totally ok with my CF stance, I feel lucky. Good luck with withstanding the oppression. My family doesn't know yet (although I gave my mother some clues) and I don't intend to disclose it in the near future. I can't wait to drop the "no marriage & no offspring" bomb on them though


You're welcome. I can sense you a really kind person, and would be able to do a good job of taking on that parenting role despite your doubts.

I've been to quite a few male doctors for my general health, and I disliked the experience. I've purposely never chosen a male GYN because the experience would make me highly uncomfortable. In general, I've never had good relationships or trust toward the opposite sex. I don't trust male doctors to understand and empathize with female issues, regardless of my own feelings about the opposite sex in general...it's just easier all around to see a female doctor. I'm sure many women would agree with us.

And best of luck to you when you drop the bomb, LOL. I'm sure almost all of us on this thread will be around at that time to support you! :'D

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But I don't have an ill friend I'm afraid you misinterpreted what said That was a hypothetical situation.

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But I don't have an ill friend I'm afraid you misinterpreted what said That was a hypothetical situation.


OMG, I'm sorry! I apologize, haha. I'm really out of it right now from taking my painkillers. LOL... you must think I'm insane. X') I'm actually relieved that I misread what you wrote!

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