posted August 26, 2014 01:25 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
My Moon is a few minutes ahead of the next sign in geo and in the next sign in topo. Still not a hybrid?

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Lol what is geo and topo?

If you could state the exact degree of the moon, including all the planets situated in both signs of the cusp of the moon, then I could try to help you figure out.

posted August 26, 2014 01:38 PM            

Thanks but there's nothing to figure out anymore.

posted August 26, 2014 01:38 PM            

I realize that your mind might prefer a more organized division, but the truth is, life is not so easily cut up into pieces, it is always in flow.

posted August 26, 2014 01:53 PM              

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Mia, I think what you need to keep in mind is that the separations between the signs are not so cut and dried. The entire zodiac describes a flow; the basic flow of nature and everything in physical existence, from its birth to its death. Think about your own life, for instance. To be specific, your birthdays. On your, let's say 10th birthday, you ceased to be 9 and became 10 years old. These are the divisions that we, as a society, create in our lives. This was, nominally, a great change in your life. But were you a radically different person the day before your birthday and the day after? Not really. Still you, and it's only been 24 hours. That's how you should see the energies of the zodiac. First decanate of Aries and last decanate of Aries are as different as last decanate of Aries and middle decanate of Taurus.
Think of things as a constant progression, without ending. That's what others in the thread were trying to convey to you with the image of water.

I realize that your mind might prefer a more organized division, but the truth is, life is not so easily cut up into pieces, it is always in flow.

Maybe try a meditation focusing on each degree of the zodiac. That's going to be a super long meditation lol, so try separating it. Maybe try one sign per day and keep a journal. See what you figure out.

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You can't really compare age with zodiac, now can you?

I know a 12 year old girl that looks older than a 14 year old.

Zodiac signs are not that way. The reason the zodiacs are in order by feminine and masculine is because they can't mix together. It's like trying to mix oil and water.

And not only that, but with my personal experience I have noticed. People are sometimes bore right at the cusp and act nothing like the other sign.

In my eyes, knowledge, conscious understanding and common sense, I conclude with my belief that the signs do not mix. I gave an explanation earlier, about the Pisces/Aries cusp and why and how it changes.

The equinox doesn't exist. But it's there, because the days are either longer than the night or the night longer than the day. It's either one or the other, that's when Pisces change to Aries.

Aries starts right after the equinox, when days start getting longer, even if it's 1 second longer, it's Aries. Because the meaning if Aries is, the beginning of longer days.

It's all explained very well by santos bonacci. Look for his videos on YouTube if you have time

It's mathematical. The universe is mathematical, everything is mathematical. But it is our understanding and beliefs that are spiritual. And spirituality is important, but we must not forget that the world, universe works in a very precise way.

The star Sirius used to appear red before the dark ages. Why? Because it was movie away.

Now because it is moving towards the sun and vice versa, it appears blue. But it did not appear purple or mauve when it was at the farthest point.

Sirius and Sun are a couple.

Our solar system is an atom. The sun is a proton. The planets are those things whatever you call it in science around the proton.

The earth works with the star Sirius, and they make a molecule. The universe is in us, and we are in the universe. We are nothing, and we are everything.

posted August 26, 2014 01:56 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
geocentric
topocentric

Thanks but there's nothing to figure out anymore.

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Why

posted August 26, 2014 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
You can't really compare age with zodiac, now can you?

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The "things" are called electrons.

posted August 26, 2014 03:39 PM              

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MiaPluto:
[b] You can't really compare age with zodiac, now can you?

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The "things" are called electrons.

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I don't look at things with just my opinion. I take into account everyone's opinions but not blindly. Most of the time I know what the person means and where they're coming from, and they're at the same place where I've been before, thought about that too, before I came to my conclusions.

And for the age. I really don't understand what you mean. How was astrology brought by age? What does it have to do with people of the same age?

Yes, when people are the same age, they're the same age, but not necessarily mentally developed or physically in the same speed or way.

To see someone's wisdom we look at their mercury, Jupiter, their whole chart.

To look at their physical description, we do the same.

Everyone is different. And that's because of their natal charts.

When you say that zodiacs are compared to age, do you mean that Aries represent toddler, Taurus a child, Gemini and teenager and so on?

Yes I already know that but this has absolutely nothing to do with my point. It has nothing to do with the fact that zodiacs signs are blended together. Seriously?

You really have no idea how I think and understand things. Please don't assume. I am not unwise or inexperienced.

Being a Virgo with mercury exalted, I am a wee bit familiar with the words called 'common sense'.

But think what you want, because I can't change your opinions; I am not a wizard after all, but you could at least not judge things by what they seem like to you.

posted August 26, 2014 04:20 PM            

Well I don't think Mercury would be able to be Cazimi, as Mercury is usually within that orb most of the time. Or at least Mercury has to be within a 10 degree orb to be Cazimi. And Venus should have a smaller orb for it to be considered Cazimi. I'm thinking maybe 14 degrees. And for Combust, I think a planet should be within a 5 degree orb at most... particularly at least a 3 degree orb for it to be considered strongly Combust. And for Mercury to be Combust, I think it has to be within a 3 degree orb at most for it to be considered Combust.

This is my personal opinion, at least.

posted August 26, 2014 04:44 PM            

Protons and neutrons are held together in the nucleus by mesons, which are a type of particle. They are formed by use of energy, move, and turn back into energy. It does this so fast however, that we are not able to see it occurring unless we use amazing equipment. The point is that assuming that the Sun and Sirius are acting as nucleons, there is a flow between them. That flow between the two of then occurs as a result of forces. Now that Sirius is moving back towards the Earth, I would guess the force involved is gravitation. Forces work in a flow. Movement occurs as a flow. Growth occurs as a flow.

Bosons are force carrying particles. Photons for example are bosons. Photons move at the speed of light. Light moves as a flow. Actually, all elementary particles do, because of wave-particle duality. So, I guess the water comparison (which you still haven't addressed) is actually very accurate if the universe truly does function like an atom.

The universal exchange rate. OK. This is basically that matter and energy are proportional to each other. You probably knew that. So, basically energy is a flow. Therefore, if you have any system composed of matter or energy, you have some kind of a flow.

And there are forces, namely centripetal and centrifugal that keep the planets from gravitating into the Sun. Basically, everything is subject to forces, and everything can be thought of as energy. Therefore, everything flows.

Everything flows. Everything is just the give and take of energy and matter. There are intermediate points.

posted August 26, 2014 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
So a planet in Cazimi is when it is within a 17 degree orb of the Sun? How does a Cazimi planet play out? How is it different than a Combust planet, or even a Non-combust planet?

Well I don't think Mercury would be able to be Cazimi, as Mercury is usually within that orb most of the time. Or at least Mercury has to be within a 10 degree orb to be Cazimi. And Venus should have a smaller orb for it to be considered Cazimi. I'm thinking maybe 14 degrees. And for Combust, I think a planet should be within a 5 degree orb at most... particularly at least a 3 degree orb for it to be considered strongly Combust. And for Mercury to be Combust, I think it has to be within a 3 degree orb at most for it to be considered Combust.

This is my personal opinion, at least.

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Correction:

Cazimi is within a 17 minute orb of the Sun. In this case, I still count that as Combust. It being considered stronger under Cazimi doesn't even make sense now. If it was Combust before, then it is even more strongly Combust now (that is if we considered Combust afflicting a planet to begin with, instead of strengthening a planet). If anything, it's pretty much known as "Fried" now, haha.

And the 17 degree orb (which I personally interpret as 14 degree orb) is known as "Under the Sun's Beams", which I'll dub "Tanned" (for interpreting it as a negative affect) or "Highlighted" (for interpreting it as a positive affect) for easier reference.

So in conclusion, to correct everything I said before:

Combust: A planet is considered Combust if it is within a 8.30 degree orb of the Sun, which I personally consider 5 degree orb of the Sun to be Combust, unless it's Mercury, which I then consider Combust if it's within a 3 degree orb.

Cazimi: A planet is Cazimi if it is within a 17 minute orb of the Sun, which I personally consider it as a 30 minute orb for all planets except Mercury, which has to be at a 15 minute orb of the Sun for it to be considered Cazimi.

Tanned: And lastly, a planet within 17 degree orb of the Sun is considered "Under the Sun's Beams" (which I dub "Tanned"), which I personally consider a 14 degree orb... unless it's Mercury, which I consider it to have to be within an 8 degree orb of the Sun, or Venus, which I consider it to have to be at a 12 degree orb of the Sun.

posted August 26, 2014 08:09 PM              

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
So a planet in Cazimi is when it is within a 17 degree orb of the Sun? How does a Cazimi planet play out? How is it different than a Combust planet, or even a Non-combust planet?

Well I don't think Mercury would be able to be Cazimi, as Mercury is usually within that orb most of the time. Or at least Mercury has to be within a 10 degree orb to be Cazimi. And Venus should have a smaller orb for it to be considered Cazimi. I'm thinking maybe 14 degrees. And for Combust, I think a planet should be within a 5 degree orb at most... particularly at least a 3 degree orb for it to be considered strongly Combust. And for Mercury to be Combust, I think it has to be within a 3 degree orb at most for it to be considered Combust.

This is my personal opinion, at least.

EDIT - I corrected myself in my 2nd post about this.

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Finally someone who understands.

You are right mercurian intellect. That is why mercury when 8 degrees away from the sun is considered cazimi because it cannot be too far from it.

Mercury is only combust when it is within 4-5 degrees of the sun.

Also when it is retrograde, it make mercury less combust even if it is, since mercury has a bit more power because of it being directly in front of the sun.

posted August 26, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Finally someone who understands.

You are right mercurian intellect. That is why mercury when 8 degrees away from the sun is considered cazimi because it cannot be too far from it.

Mercury is only combust when it is within 4-5 degrees of the sun.

Also when it is retrograde, it make mercury less combust even if it is, since mercury has a bit more power because of it being directly in front of the sun.

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Thank you.

posted August 26, 2014 11:38 PM              

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Originally posted by soren:
alright time to settle this..

Mcannon coffee already settled this, the sun takes up 0.5 degrees in the sky, the zodiac signs are most likely completely seperate from the ones beside it, not flowing into eachother, in my opinion anyway, and so therefore it is possible for some of the sun's body to be in two signs since its so wide in the sky. same with the moon. other planets are very small in the sky and rarer to fall on a cusp

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I think you're right, it may be possible, but it would be extremely rare. Even if the sun is on the cusp, it will most likely be in one sign or the other. But if it is right at the cusp, then it could be, but it will be a matter of only few hours.

posted August 27, 2014 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
alright time to settle this..

Mcannon coffee already settled this, the sun takes up 0.5 degrees in the sky, the zodiac signs are most likely completely seperate from the ones beside it, not flowing into eachother, in my opinion anyway, and so therefore it is possible for some of the sun's body to be in two signs since its so wide in the sky. same with the moon. other planets are very small in the sky and rarer to fall on a cusp

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posted August 27, 2014 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
yeah just google it, the sun and moon take up half a degree of the 360 degrees around the earth.

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posted August 27, 2014 12:39 AM              

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Originally posted by soren:
I actually have saturn at 29.59 degrees, and it moved into the next sign a couple hours after my birth. it said online that it would move into the next sign when my ascendent had progressed like 40 degrees from its natal degree, and around the time that my ascendent progressed 40 degrees, i actually felt my progressed saturn change signs. and that is why im an astrology guru, because i know these effects and the differences of 2 signs energies, just the change of one sign can make you pay attention to different things, be a master of different things, become a soft person to a hard egotistical person

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Wow, that's so cool. You're one of the most rare people to have this.

How is it liked with saturn in two signs and could you please mention which signs it is in between?

You must have the wisdom for the both signs and a the same time, problem with them maybe. (Because saturn is the greater malefic).

posted August 27, 2014 12:57 AM              

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Originally posted by soren:
Thanks for interest, but this might not be too rare. Its a lot more common with the moon thats for sure. Alright its from capricorn to aquarius. So an earth sign to an air sign. When it was in capricorn, I was a soft person. When it changed to aquarius, all of a sudden people had a depth to them. What are their intentions? Who are they inside? Im not just looking at a physical figure anymore, I'm looking into them with curiousity about their characters.

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Wow. That's interesting.

Lucky you, at least saturn is in both domiciles! Thank god it's not in between something like pisces and aries. That would have sucked.

I have an aries saturn, you see. (It's in fall) :c

But I would have expected depth and understanding more for capricorn since it is a feminine sign. Feminine signs are more profound while masculine are more superficial (not in any bad way).

Do you think it could have happened because of another planet?

Because, you see, I have pluto in the 9th house. (Right at the cusp).

When I had to change my residence for couple of months, I came back completely changed. In that place, I went through some really horrible experiences. It changed me from the core of my being. My beliefs were manipulated (pluto in sag).

It's a really sad story. But it's already too hard to explain, so I don't bother talking too much about it.

I'm telling this to you so maybe it would help you consider pluto in your own chart.

I would strongly warn anyone to beware where pluto is, in which house it is in.

posted August 27, 2014 01:08 AM            

changing residences can be an extreme change for anyone regardless of pluto. each time i changed a residence i went through a big change. it was the hardest at first, now im used to it.

i like pluto and its dark power. mines in scorp

posted August 27, 2014 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Yes 0.30 minutes. Yes its strange that the sun and moon are near the exact same size in the sky. the sun is 400 times bigger then the moon yet it is 400 times further away. and the other planets would appear much smaller. if you look at a pic of a line up of planets with the sun or moon, they are dots next to the sun. you'd have to give it your best estimate. maybe they are 2 mins

and for me it didnt feel like a cusp, it just felt like it changed one sign to another, which is why i originally thought there was no cusps, but when that guy said the sun takes up half a degree, I then thought that half the suns body could lie in one sign and the other half could lie in another. but for saturn i didnt really feel the cusp that im aware of

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But wait, if the Sun/Moon takes up a half of a degree, that means that the Sun/Moon is 0.15 minutes in each of the signs when on the cusp. Or does the Sun/Moon actually take up 1 degree, and takes up 0.30 in each sign when on the cusp?

For example... The Sun/Moon would cover from 29.45 Virgo - 0.15 Libra when on the exact Cusp of Virgo/Libra (29.59 Virgo/0.00 Libra).