posted October 09, 2014 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Are there indications that confirm either, in the natal chart? If yes, then which is it?

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posted October 09, 2014 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
^No, it's at 14 degrees, 1 degree from my Sun, opposite Chiron, and squaring the Nodes.

I remember seeing your composite chart with Blind Writer, and I had to do a double take because it looked so much like my natal chart!

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Hah, I was going to reply to your previous post that you must've been born around the same time, because we have similar placements, but someone else beat me to it.

SUN-KARMA must be really interesting! Have you had any impacting health problems, or relationships (in the flavor of your Leo cusp)? I have URANUS-MERCURY-KARMA, and it's been an exciting and overall enjoyable ride. Yours is a skipped step, too. My skipped step is VENUS-CHIRON, which isn't quite so fun, but adds potent fuel to my Venusian talents.

Re: topic, I think it becomes evident very early in a child's life whether they have been around the block a few times, already. One's ability to relate to people regardless of their age and standing is something wrought from experiences carried from ages past. Suffice it to say, a "difficult" child is probably too focused on Self to fit the general idea of an "old soul".

Astrologically speaking, I do think there should be significant focus points in a chart. Planets on angles, outer-inner conjunctions, strong dignities, a strong stellium, exacting geometric patterns - all these lead to a particular "strength", which is a reward of significant past efforts. It also lends something strong and unique to the native.

Asteroids KARMA and ATLANTIS prominently placed have proven interesting markers, but only after the rest of the chart has been taken into consideration. Fixed stars too, especially the famous ones - SIRIUS, SPICA, the royals, BETELGEUSE, etc.

posted October 09, 2014 02:27 PM            

Dearth of aspects and weak orbs are younger souls, not as many lessons. Enjoy kindergarten while it lasts.
(That info is from a book I jokingly call my "Astrology Bible," could also ask you own higher self how old of a soul you are...)

posted October 09, 2014 02:36 PM            

"the new race of Atlanteans, according to Edgar Cayce
as a race, still in its youth
but the souls are as old as Time itself

old souls being simply those who have chosen
to live many more times in Earth incarnations... than others
have chosen to do

how they are destined to try to prevent
the Earth changes and cataclysms predicted by geologists
and metaphysicians

the text pointed out that, if compassion
is increased- toward both those from the human
and the animal kingdoms
....and the spread of vegetarianism
is a beginning....

then the vast and awful Earth changes may be avoided
and we need not endure
the terrible inundation experienced by Atlantis

..if we remember to love one another
and remember that we are our brother's keepers
including our animal brothers
and our sisters' keepers too

and if we don't forget, as the book warned
the message of the Nazarene, that..

"verily, the little child of spirit
in the new time (new age) shall be ruler"

the prophecies also said that..

"..you can recognize these very old Atlantean souls
by their childlike quality, their naivete
their high level of emotional intensity
and lack of worldly sophistication"

"such as...." the text continued

"..such as the man, who sometimes acts so much like a little boy
and the woman, who sometimes acts so much like a little girl
for only those innocent ones- so old in soul
yet so young of heart and appearance.. and behavior
contain within themselves the alchemy for working miracles
of healing the crippled.. returning sight to the blind"

how comforting! I thought
that the druids may have been right!

perhaps the secret of magic
is to truly remain a child- and not be ashamed
in today's snide and sarcastic society
to be considered foolishly immature.. perhaps

posted October 09, 2014 08:28 PM            

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"Centuries are what it meant to me
A cemetery where I marry the sea
Stranger things could never change my mind
I've got to take it on the other side"

Otherside~RHCP

Blood, sugar, sucker Fish
In my dish
How many Pieces
Do you wish?

Step into a heaven
Where I keep it on the soul side
Girl, please me
Be my soul bride

posted October 09, 2014 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Comatoes:
No one knows for sure what level their soul is, or even if there is a new or old soul concept. When I think of a old soul I think more along the lines of someone who is a deep thinker or someone who sees multiple meanings in life, but I don't think a old soul is better than a new soul. As a new soul has eyes wide open and can see things in unique youthful ways.

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Disagreed, some know what level their soul is, others choose not to. But agreed that one is not better than the other, all are equal and both are necessary in this dimension of duality.

posted October 10, 2014 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
Yes I have also read that no un-evolved soul is born unto Scorpio Rising. Apparently Saturn in Libra's have also long been on the path of evolution. I can see that with Pisces too, the motto for Pisces is "Serve or Suffer" and I've also read something about how they can be "intentionally ignorant" which is true of the Pisces people I've met so far. The two I am thinking of right off the bat are basically against anything mystical. One even said to someone else that she liked me "except that she's into all that moon stuff." Hah! Denying their true nature really.

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posted October 10, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Hah, I was going to reply to your previous post that you must've been born around the same time, because we have similar placements, but someone else beat me to it.

SUN-KARMA must be really interesting! Have you had any impacting health problems, or relationships (in the flavor of your Leo cusp)? I have URANUS-MERCURY-KARMA, and it's been an exciting and overall enjoyable ride. Yours is a skipped step, too. My skipped step is VENUS-CHIRON, which isn't quite so fun, but adds potent fuel to my Venusian talents.

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There are definitely some interesting similarities between our charts. You must've been born 28 days after me because I have a one degree Moon/Pluto conjunction. My ASC is at 18 Aquarius, and I recall that yours is pretty close. I'm a native Texan too.

I have had health issues, and was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition back in 2008, although it did take years to be properly diagnosed. I also had a soul shattering relationship that has ended recently. This was with a Cancer Sun, with Moon opposite Pluto. We were together since '99, and I'm currently working on rising from the ashes stronger and wiser. It's tough though, because I feel utterly lost at the moment. I remember you also had the same Moon/Pluto conjunction and opposition DW experience. Ours was also tied to Venus, Mars, and Neptune, so I don't know if I'll ever fully recover. These ties run very deep, as you know.

posted October 10, 2014 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:

There are definitely some interesting similarities between our charts. You must've been born 28 days after me because I have a one degree Moon/Pluto conjunction. My ASC is at 18 Aquarius, and I recall that yours is pretty close. I'm a native Texan too.

I have had health issues, and was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition back in 2008, although it did take years to be properly diagnosed. I also had a soul shattering relationship that has ended recently. This was with a Cancer Sun, with Moon opposite Pluto. We were together since '99, and I'm currently working on rising from the ashes stronger and wiser. It's tough though, because I feel utterly lost at the moment. I remember you also had the same Moon/Pluto conjunction and opposition DW experience. Ours was also tied to Venus, Mars, and Neptune, so I don't know if I'll ever fully recover. These ties run very deep, as you know.

Also, I haven't done too much research on asteroid Atlantis, but it's conjunct my Venus by less than 1/2 degree.

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I feel like I've met someone who speaks the same language! Lots of similarities, indeed.

Those soul-shaking type of relationships are rather impossible to shrug off. But your dignified VENUS is a bit safer over in Libra than mine in detriment, opp CHIRON. Looks like your SUN-CHIRON opp has a health impacting effect like I thought, though. Take care of yourself!

posted October 10, 2014 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Ahahahah so NOT true. Know two scorpio risers and both of them have pluto conjunction their ascendant.One of them is perceptive sometimes but also incridibly naive and immature. The 2nd is my friend its alot of stuff she dosent understand in life and she cares for stupid stuff like partying being social caring what others think of her etc. I was a bit surprised when i found out that she not only has her ascendant in scorpio but venus to. She`s not a super "deep" person with a wise mind.I think this ascendant placing is a bit "overrated" . I agree with another person here that a person with strong water influence i think can show an "old soul" i find them to have great understanding of life and people.

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Yes I agree that the ascendant alone can't tell if a soul is evolved/old, and I've met a couple Scorpio ascendants that seemed fairly evolved, although not as much as some, however that is just what my one book says: "the hardest ascendant of all. Battlefield where the soul and personality must come into mortal combat. They come into alignment and the personality must die... No unevolved soul is born with a Scorpio Ascendant. The razor edged path that can only be tread where there is strength and power enough to do so..."
That's just what it says. Most of the things in this book are bang on for me, nice and blunt just the way I like it.

As to the naive friend, as I quoted above...
"..you can recognize these very old Atlantean souls
by their childlike quality, their naivete
their high level of emotional intensity
and lack of worldly sophistication"

"such as...." the text continued

"..such as the man, who sometimes acts so much like a little boy
and the woman, who sometimes acts so much like a little girl
for only those innocent ones- so old in soul
yet so young of heart and appearance.. and behavior
contain within themselves the alchemy for working miracles
of healing the crippled.. returning sight to the blind"

Just things I've read, not necessarily my personal opinion...

posted October 11, 2014 05:39 AM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
Yes I agree that the ascendant alone can't tell if a soul is evolved/old, and I've met a couple Scorpio ascendants that seemed fairly evolved, although not as much as some, however that is just what my one book says: "the hardest ascendant of all. Battlefield where the soul and personality must come into mortal combat. They come into alignment and the personality must die... No unevolved soul is born with a Scorpio Ascendant. The razor edged path that can only be tread where there is strength and power enough to do so..."
That's just what it says. Most of the things in this book are bang on for me, nice and blunt just the way I like it.

As to the naive friend, as I quoted above...
[b]"..you can recognize these very old Atlantean souls
by their childlike quality, their naivete
their high level of emotional intensity
and lack of worldly sophistication"

"such as...." the text continued

"..such as the man, who sometimes acts so much like a little boy
and the woman, who sometimes acts so much like a little girl
for only those innocent ones- so old in soul
yet so young of heart and appearance.. and behavior
contain within themselves the alchemy for working miracles
of healing the crippled.. returning sight to the blind"

Just things I've read, not necessarily my personal opinion...

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posted December 31, 2015 06:23 PM            

Which is possible, of course. Plenty of us humans mellow with age while others get more and more uptight. So why not the soul?

posted December 31, 2015 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
...if you find someone is an "old soul" in the chart...so what? What does that mean? If I found such placements in a chart, what would I tell the person? I mean meaningfully, not just some trivial description that could mean anything.

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Pixie... Sometimes there may be 'nothing else' to say to such a one. They are 'here' for their Soul's reason, and for the purpose to be a channel of some kind of blessing (or, benefit) in some capacity that will evolve the Collective body.

posted December 31, 2015 09:10 PM            

And did anyone like those people ever need to know they were an old soul before acting?

posted December 31, 2015 09:11 PM            

I've seen people, including here at LL, who talk about how stupid and unevolved the rest of the planet is and they can't stand us also talk about how wonderful their natal chart is...as if they can't then be thankful for having such a blessed chart rather than being like someone from a rich family who can't understand why those accidentally born in poorer families are shivering and hungry when winter comes around. They talk about their charts and being an old soul but this makes their ego puff up even more and act as if we should learn at their feet while their own lessons are over, which to me is a good reason NOT to tell them they're old souls as it sabotages them (at least if LG's view on old souls is correct). But does it affect anyone else differently?

posted December 31, 2015 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I've been pondering this lately, especially when it comes to those with Pisces North Nodes. I wonder if they're born as final souls?

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I knew (still in email contact) someone with a Pisces NN (and also Pisces moon)...I could see him as being in his "final life." In addition to his being so psychic (and I'm not easily impressed when it comes to that), there's just something about him that feels like he'd vanish one day. Maybe it's that he had two near death experiences (one when he was a toddler, and he remembers it vividly, and both profoundly affected his life).

In part, it comes from an abusive background, and he made a lot of mistakes in his youth, but he also learned from them and became a radically different person. But at the same time he finds it hard to relate to human society, and he gets along with animals (he reminds me of Hagrid from Harry Potter, even looks a bit like him), and when we went walking in the woods together he carried a gun against humans, not animals (and his experience showed it justified, even bears left him alone but a group of males came after him once until he pulled his gun and told them to think about it). Perhaps the perfect Pisces (though he was a Libra sun), there was something ancient and young about him at the same time (I first encountered him in my teens which would affect my first impression). And were he to post here then he could easily confuse people as he talks about his animals as if they were people (calling them by name and what they want, how they feel, etc, with human pronouns, etc).

He didn't look young, in part because he stopped caring about his appearance and also because he lived a semi-hermetic life in the woods by the sea and got lots of sun and sea wind, and also because his helping others (human and otherwise) got him in trouble with violent people on both sides of the law (and he bears the scars left over from that). And it awes me to this day that he reached out to me when I was hurt and paranoid of him, he just knew things, and he cared in a way most people don't, and he changed my life (though not by himself, more like he put me on the path and plenty of fatherly advice in a way that wasn't the least bit pretentious--sometimes he could be the "bratty little brother" as well and laugh as I threw something at him). And he refused sex with anyone he helped as he didn't want anyone he aided to think that was why he did it, but rather because they were worth caring about. (That aside, he was in a polyamorous relationship, something I know plenty of self-proclaimed "old souls" would bristle at.)

posted December 31, 2015 11:17 PM            

Sagittarius to Pisces are universal signs.

posted December 31, 2015 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Just my opinion with nothing more than antidotal edivance...

Young souls are the ones with stelliums and lopsided charts. They haven't experienced lots of different viewpoints yet. Life may not be easy, but it's straight forward enough.

Old souls have lots of squares and trines and oppositions, and maybe a few of the more complex geometry formations too. Their planets are spread around. Nothing is simple because they've seen the other sides of things.

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