posted September 01, 2014 04:41 PM            

Young souls are the ones with stelliums and lopsided charts. They haven't experienced lots of different viewpoints yet. Life may not be easy, but it's straight forward enough.

posted September 01, 2014 06:51 PM            

It would probably make it difficult for old souls to be reincarnated in the same family, though many who reincarnate together do so biologically, that is as kin.

posted September 01, 2014 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Are there indications that confirm either, in the natal chart? If yes, then which is it?

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Edgar Cayce, a big proponent and user of astrology in his trance readings, said that one's birth chart pertains to this lifetime only. He was asked whether one's past lives showed in the birth chart and said no.

posted September 02, 2014 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Comatoes:
No one knows for sure what level their soul is, or even if there is a new or old soul concept. When I think of a old soul I think more along the lines of someone who is a deep thinker or someone who sees multiple meanings in life, but I don't think a old soul is better than a new soul. As a new soul has eyes wide open and can see things in unique youthful ways.

Some say the last signs of the zodiac are old souls, like Aquarius, Pisces. I don't agree with that. There is more to this than being born in February or March.

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posted September 02, 2014 02:29 AM            

To me being compassionate and open minded are traits that come with wisdom, whether it's learned or inherent. Some people just never seem to learn from their mistakes, so to me this is a young soul. They have a lot to learn, no matter how many lifetimes they've lived. Quality not quantity.

My chart is a very concentrated bundle with all of my planets within 80 degrees. They all fall in the 8th, 9th, and 10th houses with North Node in 6th/South Node in 12th. Sun opposite Chiron, squaring my Asc/Dsc and my Nodes. Karma is on my Sun too, and I'd like to think my Sun is incinerating all that past Karma in this lifetime. . I could go the other way, and spend this lifetime piling up Karmic debt, so I'm very mindful of that.

posted September 02, 2014 06:41 AM            

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Of course if knowing the difference between old souls and new served any practical purpose other than ego stroking for new souls trying to convince themselves they're wiser than they are (old souls would hopefully have outgrown that) then I'd like to hear of it.

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posted September 02, 2014 12:37 PM            

Old souls are more compassionate intrinsicly and tend to be more loving, though this is not always the case. Old souls can be tricked by ego just like younger souls can, but they snap out much much faster. There are probably people on this site that will never be free from ego and will live with fear in their hearts till they die and reincarnate again to try and relearn the lesson they are supposed to learn in this life. Old souls understand that things are not what they appear to be and that what is real to younger souls is actually illusion and what is illusion to younger souls is actually real. Old souls tend to not just keep repeating lessons over and over, but instead actively try to learn new ones to continually spiritually evolve and willingly come back to help others learn the same things. They get that in this giant game of consciousness, there is no end or beginning. There just is. We just are. I just am. You just are. They understand that there truly is no time but the now and that there has always and will always only be the now. Younger souls cannot grasp this concept so easily and even some older souls cannot either. It really just depends on when the old soul wakes up. Luckily many souls are waking up, including younger ones, with help from high places and help from those who are already on their awakening path.

posted September 02, 2014 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Just my opinion with nothing more than antidotal edivance...

Young souls are the ones with stelliums and lopsided charts. They haven't experienced lots of different viewpoints yet. Life may not be easy, but it's straight forward enough.

Old souls have lots of squares and trines and oppositions, and maybe a few of the more complex geometry formations too. Their planets are spread around. Nothing is simple because they've seen the other sides of things.

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Hi Gemini,

can you give an example of a "complex" geometry formation.

posted September 02, 2014 01:04 PM            

When our Higher Self/Soul Family wants to learn a new experience and the "old soul" doesn't fit the perimeters required, a "new soul" is created.

posted September 02, 2014 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Just my opinion with nothing more than antidotal edivance...

Young souls are the ones with stelliums and lopsided charts. They haven't experienced lots of different viewpoints yet. Life may not be easy, but it's straight forward enough.

Old souls have lots of squares and trines and oppositions, and maybe a few of the more complex geometry formations too. Their planets are spread around. Nothing is simple because they've seen the other sides of things.

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Nice theory, but, yes, I can disprove you.

The opposite is what I've seen to be true. Many highly evolved souls have buckets and bowls, potentially even yods, showing where the focus of the lifetime is in order to clear outstanding karma and fulfill soul missions.

Conversely, new souls tend to have very scattered charts. Splays and small lumps; pairs here and there across the chart.

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that highly evolved souls who are here for a stated purpose (perhaps before they Ascend) tend to have very sharp T-Squares or other complicated patterns, such as a Cross. Usually, if a T-Square, the pattern is activated and completed by significant Soulmates who will help realise that purpose and clear the karma.

Also, Old Souls tend to have close conjunctions from outers to Lights.

The only affliction I have in my chart is CHIRON widely opposite my MERCURY, exactly opposed my EROS/MOON, and my LILITH.

This is key to my understanding the karma I have to clear before I leave. Crucial, as I'm a Twin Flame.

posted September 02, 2014 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Comatoes:
No one knows for sure what level their soul is, or even if there is a new or old soul concept. When I think of a old soul I think more along the lines of someone who is a deep thinker or someone who sees multiple meanings in life, but I don't think a old soul is better than a new soul. As a new soul has eyes wide open and can see things in unique youthful ways.

Some say the last signs of the zodiac are old souls, like Aquarius, Pisces. I don't agree with that. There is more to this than being born in February or March.

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posted September 02, 2014 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Of course if knowing the difference between old souls and new served any practical purpose other than ego stroking for new souls trying to convince themselves they're wiser than they are (old souls would hopefully have outgrown that) then I'd like to hear of it.

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posted September 02, 2014 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Edgar Cayce, a big proponent and user of astrology in his trance readings, said that one's birth chart pertains to this lifetime only. He was asked whether one's past lives showed in the birth chart and said no.

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I both agree and disagree, and I'm really becoming a fan of his dimensional methodology. I'm not quite sure how to apply it yet -- but I'm working on it.

posted September 02, 2014 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
I don't know about old or new souls, but I can say that I've always felt like a wise soul. Even as a child, I never had that innocent naiveté that most kids have. I feel that I came into this lifetime much wiser than my own parents by far. Both of my parents, and other family members still rationalize every mistake they've ever made instead of owning it, and this is a mindset I've never had. I feel like I carry the Karmic burden of a lot of my family members. I've always valued the wisdom of older generations too, where most younger generations write them off as being out of touch. I usually trust my own judgement over all others, but I always try to be very open minded.

To me being compassionate and open minded are traits that come with wisdom, whether it's learned or inherent. Some people just never seem to learn from their mistakes, so to me this is a young soul. They have a lot to learn, no matter how many lifetimes they've lived. Quality not quantity.

My chart is a very concentrated bundle with all of my planets within 80 degrees. They all fall in the 8th, 9th, and 10th houses with North Node in 6th/South Node in 12th. Sun opposite Chiron, squaring my Asc/Dsc and my Nodes. Karma is on my Sun too, and I'd like to think my Sun is incinerating all that past Karma in this lifetime. . I could go the other way, and spend this lifetime piling up Karmic debt, so I'm very mindful of that.

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Isn't that funny. You're born a few weeks after me, right?

I'm not so sure about your SUN-KARMA conjunction burning it away, though. More like a giant spotlight going 'HERE IT BE'.

posted September 02, 2014 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Nice theory, but, yes, I can disprove you.

The opposite is what I've seen to be true. Many highly evolved souls have buckets and bowls, potentially even yods, showing where the focus of the lifetime is in order to clear outstanding karma and fulfill soul missions.

Conversely, new souls tend to have very scattered charts. Splays and small lumps; pairs here and there across the chart.

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that highly evolved souls who are here for a stated purpose (perhaps before they Ascend) tend to have very sharp T-Squares or other complicated patterns, such as a Cross. Usually, if a T-Square, the pattern is activated and completed by significant Soulmates who will help realise that purpose and clear the karma.

Also, Old Souls tend to have close conjunctions from outers to Lights.

The only affliction I have in my chart is CHIRON widely opposite my MERCURY, exactly opposed my EROS/MOON, and my LILITH.

This is key to my understanding the karma I have to clear before I leave. Crucial, as I'm a Twin Flame.

Again, anecdotal evidence as well, but I've noticed a crop of Twin Flames with these placements, as well as 50+ Old Soul charts with high concentrations. Especially in Soulmate and Twin Flame composites.

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T Squares and Kites and Yods were the types of things I had in mind as well. Haven't met a Grand Cross or Star yet except in synastry.

I have 2 T Squares both with orbs of 3° or less. And for what it's worth, my ex wife completed both crosses (an I completed one for her)

I'm not sure what to make of twinflames or soul mates yet. I've had experiences with partners that were meant to be and affected me in profound ways but not meant to be forever.

As far as I believe in these things, I think I'm a medium soul. Learned some, but still more to learn. Funny how nobody ever thinks of themselves that way...

posted September 03, 2014 05:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
T Squares and Kites and Yods were the types of things I had in mind as well. Haven't met a Grand Cross or Star yet except in synastry.

I have 2 T Squares both with orbs of 3° or less. And for what it's worth, my ex wife completed both crosses (an I completed one for her)

I'm not sure what to make of twinflames or soul mates yet. I've had experiences with partners that were meant to be and affected me in profound ways but not meant to be forever.

As far as I believe in these things, I think I'm a medium soul. Learned some, but still more to learn. Funny how nobody ever thinks of themselves that way...

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posted September 03, 2014 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I'm a 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 year old soul.

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posted September 03, 2014 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
Are there indications that confirm either, in the natal chart? If yes, then which is it?

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While I have theorized this related to certain 'minor' aspects, I cannot say for certain, because I was going only on a bit of correlation I saw in 'old soul' birth charts.

There are two ways to look at what 'old soul' means: (a) how long a person has been incarnating; (b) how many times.

Old soul refers only to one's experience incarnating into material life, not to when a soul was created or born. And it implies that the person has truly learned and gained real wisdom in doing this.

If you consider Edgar Cayce and old soul then look at what you find in his birth chart. I consider myself an old soul - possibly incarnating even longer than Cayce (but not necessarily more lifetimes). It is my understanding that my first incarnations (and possibly most of them) were in the Lemurian period, which has of course been lost to prehistory.

What I have found in common - so far - between the charts of those considered old souls are indicators of more well-rounded talent and creativity as seen in the quintile series of aspects in which they are linked together in the chart. This means a quintile linked to another or linked to a Bi-quintile in a larger configuration. My own chart has a grand quintile: 72 [Jupiter-Moon] + 144 [Moon-Mars] + 144 [Mars-Moon]. Cayce's and others have shown similar multiple planet/aspect configurations involving the quintile series.

Again, these do not show past lives, but if they are confirmed, show latent potential creative talents or general creative ability to put into play which are implied to come from more numerous lifetimes and a deeper well of experience in living life on earth.

In no way do they extol any superiority of quintile series aspects over any others. In no way do such charts that contain them imply superiority of that individual above any others.

Our birth chart is only a starting place in life. It is not a 'laurel' upon which we should rest. Only a starting place. Greater potentials in the birth chart only mean greater potential responsibilities.

posted September 03, 2014 05:45 PM            

I do think asteroids can provide some valuable correlations and confirmations. Not sure about use of Hawaii to represent Lemuria, however. I understand the association, but I'd like to see IQ bring this to light with a further explanation.