posted September 05, 2014 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I miss the 80's so much. Even though I never existed then. But I wish I did. They were such good times.

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posted September 05, 2014 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Maybe if you lived through it, you wouldn't miss it so much.

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posted September 05, 2014 05:40 PM            

Sure, there may have been more obvious 'traditional' family values [this was when the Cosby how premiered, so it's obvious that our culture's values tied into what the media was peddle pushing]. But that doesn't mean that the philosophy underlying society in this era was good. The HIV/AIDS crisis pretty much defined the better part of the 80s. Beneath all the glitz and glamor of big hair, less swearing on TV and cool music videos, people discriminated and attacked each other and those infected with the virus were ostracized, mistreated in the medical community, etc. In terms of 'stupidity', since you said that our era is plagued by it, I think using hard drugs is pretty stupid since it only hurts yourself - and the crack cocaine epidemic in the 80s pretty much defined the decade, too. If you ask anyone about the 80s, eight times out of ten they'll make a joke about cocaine use. And all of this isn't even considering what was going on in Europe and the Third World. All across the globe, crises were going on in the 80s that made the 80s a dark time - i.e., the tragic Chernobyl disaster, issues of unrest in Europe, horrible famine in Africa.

Basically, the whole reason I'm writing all of this goes to show that every single period in history has had its serious faults, even if some aspects of it seemed good.

As we progress into a new era, we are opening our eyes to positive change in society, politics and the use of clean energy. Socially, we are becoming more free in self-expression. Social media is going to be an even bigger fact of our society in the next few years, so that's unavoidable. Aquarius is all about technology. I understand where you're coming from about bad music. Yes, bad music is a big issue but it is not the most pressing issue in our current society. I would rather see increased equality for LGBT individuals and POC than better music. I can leave the music and take the human rights. More than ever before, people are reaching out to make a difference in our society - we're pushing for equality, we're pushing to understand each other and fight against systemic racism, laws that block same-sex marriage, etc. Personally, I find THIS to be a lot more important than the clothes, trends and mood of a decade. I look to how humans are operating and reacting to both new and longstanding crises and social problems in this country.

So, maybe kids are doing stupid stuff on social media and Youtube, and maybe popular music sucks right now, and maybe some family 'values' have been lost as family structures have changed. But that doesn't mean that good things aren't happening and going to happen. The present has to be valued for its positives. In some aspects, social media can lead to brainless people posting dumb or hateful videos, but in other ways, social media has helped spread the word about good causes and petitions and calls for donations that wouldn't have been possible without tumblr, twitter, instagram, etc. Focusing on the past is a sure fire way to lead to perpetual disappointment and negative bouts of nostalgia. It's better to take action against what you dislike in your present so you can plan a better future vs. wishing you had grown up 3 decades ago.

posted September 05, 2014 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
my mom and dad lived thru the 70s, 80s, and 90s and they said it was much better lol

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Now, I kinda dig the '70s, and, frankly, I miss 1995. That was a sweet spot. The 1990s were pretty cool -- though rife with its own problems for sure. Every era is.

posted September 05, 2014 06:16 PM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Actually I'm quite used to working with statistics, but next time I do I will try to keep your wise counsel in mind

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I'm sorry vajra, but I think that you just don't get it. You are again rationalizing it. Yes, they may have been political issues, but I'm not even talking about that.

I'm talking about a more specific thing.

You see, I'm the kind of person who looks at the world with only what I can see. Me, I only notice stuff like that (music, trends, feelings, atmosphere, philosophy, everyday life, the beautiful lack of technology). I was born in 1997 and I have lived in the past too, and I can remember how different it was from now. Imagine if I lived in the 80's. I would have felt even more difference.

I never cared, and will never care about political issues in the world as long as they're not affecting me directly. Sorry.

Maybe you are one of the people who did, but I'm sure everyone in your era didn't necessarily did. For one, I am sure my parents didn't.

Sorry for my dreamy and nostalgic outlook on life. I have Pisces ascendant.

posted September 05, 2014 06:23 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Maybe if you lived through it, you wouldn't miss it so much.

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That can never be possible.

There's not a past time that was different that I don't miss today. All the past times that I lived through. I have a very different outlook on life than most of you. I have Pisces ascendant and only few can understand.

Sorry.

Brb. I'm crying.

I can't believe some people say they don't miss a time that will never come back, where so many memories, whether they were good or bad ones, existed.

posted September 05, 2014 06:25 PM            

Btw, I find your idea that they're smarter and smoking at the same time to be strange. But plenty of movies back then aimed at teens did glorify the drug culture as well as violence, crime, even truancy (I don't know why that last one makes me laugh).

And all those people you know now that came of age in the 80s were a lot like kids today when they were your age, they just had different toys, and they certainly weren't smarter. The differences are primarily cosmetic, and video games were a major interest, and many kids were still stuck to their phones even though they couldn't carry them around like today. They weren't the same way as kids as they are today as adults (at least not most of them), you'd have seen them in a completely different light if you saw them back then (IOW, they'd be like the kids today).

Of course many of them have forgotten (sometimes with a lot of effort) their own misspent youth. It's especially funny when they post those "our generation was so much better" chain letters and watch them hew & haw in asking them why they're the ones to have changed it if it was so good (and when one got in trouble for spamming a Wicca site with that she had a fit and went to her coven leader and essentially did not agree that the "parents should agree with other authority" in this case as she bragged happened to her generation).

posted September 05, 2014 06:33 PM              

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Although I dislike certain things about the modern era, we're also transitioning into the Age of Aquarius and this means a greater potential for social change and the use of alternative, clean energy sources. This may sound obvious, but think about it: you said you love the 80s, but the 80s was an equally bad time period in this society in its own light. The 80s brought the HIV/AIDS crisis as Pluto transited into Scorpio. The LGBT community was plagued with death and violence from the disease and those prejudiced against LGBT people, even if they didn't carry the virus. A lack of knowledge created discrimination, death and violence during this time period in American history, and this carried on well past the decade and persists today.

Sure, there may have been more obvious 'traditional' family values [this was when the Cosby how premiered, so it's obvious that our culture's values tied into what the media was peddle pushing]. But that doesn't mean that the philosophy underlying society in this era was good. The HIV/AIDS crisis pretty much defined the better part of the 80s. Beneath all the glitz and glamor of big hair, less swearing on TV and cool music videos, people discriminated and attacked each other and those infected with the virus were ostracized, mistreated in the medical community, etc. In terms of 'stupidity', since you said that our era is plagued by it, I think using hard drugs is pretty stupid since it only hurts yourself - and the crack cocaine epidemic in the 80s pretty much defined the decade, too. If you ask anyone about the 80s, eight times out of ten they'll make a joke about cocaine use. And all of this isn't even considering what was going on in Europe and the Third World. All across the globe, crises were going on in the 80s that made the 80s a dark time - i.e., the tragic Chernobyl disaster, issues of unrest in Europe, horrible famine in Africa.

Basically, the whole reason I'm writing all of this goes to show that every single period in history has had its serious faults, even if some aspects of it seemed good.

As we progress into a new era, we are opening our eyes to positive change in society, politics and the use of clean energy. Socially, we are becoming more free in self-expression. Social media is going to be an even bigger fact of our society in the next few years, so that's unavoidable. Aquarius is all about technology. I understand where you're coming from about bad music. Yes, bad music is a big issue but it is not the most pressing issue in our current society. I would rather see increased equality for LGBT individuals and POC than better music. I can leave the music and take the human rights. More than ever before, people are reaching out to make a difference in our society - we're pushing for equality, we're pushing to understand each other and fight against systemic racism, laws that block same-sex marriage, etc. Personally, I find THIS to be a lot more important than the clothes, trends and mood of a decade. I look to how humans are operating and reacting to both new and longstanding crises and social problems in this country.

So, maybe kids are doing stupid stuff on social media and Youtube, and maybe popular music sucks right now, and maybe some family 'values' have been lost as family structures have changed. But that doesn't mean that good things aren't happening and going to happen. The present has to be valued for its positives. In some aspects, social media can lead to brainless people posting dumb or hateful videos, but in other ways, social media has helped spread the word about good causes and petitions and calls for donations that wouldn't have been possible without tumblr, twitter, instagram, etc. Focusing on the past is a sure fire way to lead to perpetual disappointment and negative bouts of nostalgia. It's better to take action against what you dislike in your present so you can plan a better future vs. wishing you had grown up 3 decades ago.

Maybe you feel like you don't belong here in this era, but it could have more to do with you not finding your special 'niche' or a group that speaks to you vs. what decade you're growing up in. Transporting yourself to 1983 wouldn't guarantee good friends and a good social scene.

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Again. People keep writing what happened during the 80's which I don't care about at all, and which wasn't my point.

Bad things happen all the time. They are happening today too. It's not like it's much better.

To be honest with you, the 'Aquarius age' is not something I really believe in, because it's a theory. Some say it's there, others say it's not there yet.

But idgaf.

Because even if the age of Aquarius exists, I hate it.

I don't think it's a progress or for the greater good. It sucks balls. It's the opposite of good.

Can't you see how the population is growing so much, people are becoming so dumb, and so dependent on technology.

The technology is like poison and a worse drug than any drugs taken in human history because it's an addiction and everyone has it (almost).

Did you not read where I stated how there is no human interaction, and how streets are barren these days in the middle of the summer. How shallow people are?

posted September 05, 2014 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Did you not read where I stated how there is no human interaction, and how streets are barren these days in the middle of the summer. How shallow people are?

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Where I'm at, and every place I've traveled to recently, isn't like this. I see plenty of people interacting face to face, including kids. Malls and stores are still in business rather than boarded up. And while I see plenty outside who are more interested in texting on their phones than with each other, too, that's also of all ages.

At first I thought you were just using hyperbole as a rhetorical device but now I'm thinking you actually mean this is LITERALLY the case. In which case you're either somewhere weird or you need to get out on those streets more before declaring them "barren."

posted September 05, 2014 06:47 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Same was true of the 80s, all the recent generations of the last century (50s at least, and I'm only going back that far as that's when I think a "fetish for technology" began with new cars, TVs, all the new toys a now prosperous generation wanted with more novelties to follow, and by the 60s dreams of us having skycars and robot servants by now, though the Cold War had a lot to do with that as well, especially after the Soviets launched Sputnik). Ah, the good old days (50s, maybe 60s, the power of Cold War thinking is amazing to me) of bomb shelters and "duck and cover." And beyond that they were just as attention hungry (what do you think those styles are for?), disloyal, backstabbing as they are today (not to say they all were, just as not all are bad today).

Btw, I find your idea that they're smarter and smoking at the same time to be strange. But plenty of movies back then aimed at teens did glorify the drug culture as well as violence, crime, even truancy (I don't know why that last one makes me laugh).

And all those people you know now that came of age in the 80s were a lot like kids today when they were your age, they just had different toys, and they certainly weren't smarter. The differences are primarily cosmetic, and video games were a major interest, and many kids were still stuck to their phones even though they couldn't carry them around like today. They weren't the same way as kids as they are today as adults (at least not most of them), you'd have seen them in a completely different light if you saw them back then (IOW, they'd be like the kids today).

Of course many of them have forgotten (sometimes with a lot of effort) their own misspent youth. It's especially funny when they post those "our generation was so much better" chain letters and watch them hew & haw in asking them why they're the ones to have changed it if it was so good (and when one got in trouble for spamming a Wicca site with that she had a fit and went to her coven leader and essentially did not agree that the "parents should agree with other authority" in this case as she bragged happened to her generation).

Oh, btw, teen pregnancy, while high compared to other industrialized nations, is at an all-time low (PDF). That is, if you went back in time you'd see more of it then than you do today for multiple reasons.

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You guys are all so creative when it comes to opposing my beliefs or contradicting a simple opinion of mine.

I don't care about what happened. I won't reply again, I've already replied 2 people.

You can read my previous posts.

With my eyes, knowledge and understanding, the video diaries I watched of my parents, the movies I've seen from that era, the music videos and the songs, the pictures I've seen, everything possible that I have seen and acknowledges of that time makes me prefer it more.

I'm not talking about good or bad in the sense of such superficial things and stuff. Like politics and stuff. I'm talking about just that time. Have you ever for one second, cared how the atmosphere was different in that time? Does that matter nothing to you?

I'm not talking about video games or TV. They're all ok with me.

The social media of today and of the 80's are really different!

I can't believe I even have to say that!

Why is it that everything I express a belief or opinion I have to get manipulated this way?

(Pluto is sag in 9th house maybe).

I have eyes and can understand things myself yet you guys come up with totally strange and absurd reasons to contradict my opinions. You didn't even get my point for the post.

Well, your 'reasons' won't work against me.

posted September 05, 2014 06:50 PM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Nope. And with that I rest my case. Read what sweet-scorpion wrote, she's absolutely right. Maybe you can understand her better than me. Good night Mia, it's late over here.

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Whatever. But I'm certain you probably lack water signs.

And btw I have read and replied sweet scorpion's post.

posted September 05, 2014 06:58 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Where I'm at, and every place I've traveled to recently, isn't like this. I see plenty of people interacting face to face, including kids. Malls and stores are still in business rather than boarded up. And while I see plenty outside who are more interested in texting on their phones than with each other, too, that's also of all ages.

At first I thought you were just using hyperbole as a rhetorical device but now I'm thinking you actually mean this is LITERALLY the case. In which case you're either somewhere weird or you need to get out on those streets more before declaring them "barren."

Seriously.

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I was talking about a specific place. I wasn't talking about shopping malls. And when I said barren, I didn't mean it that literally do I really have to say this? Am I now supposed to speak in robot language so you can't take every ******* thing so literally? I meant that there were about 80% fewer people there. It looks like there's a curfew. I didn't say it was completely deserted.

posted September 05, 2014 07:07 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
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And you're not convincing in the least with your strange & absurd reasoning of your own (do you still think there was less pregnancy back then than today?).

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So I am strange and absurd for looking at things more emotionally rather than rationally?

I know a lot of people these days, some friends and friends of friends that have gotten pregnant at about 16.

My parents never knew friends that got pregnant at that age. At that time there was more commitment and marriage lasted longer than these days.

Are we going to argue for something like pregnancy now? How stupid is that?

You can clearly tell that today the world is more promiscuous and there's more disturbing stuff.

We're there music videos in the 80's where anyone twerked like in the new nicki minaj video?

posted September 05, 2014 07:13 PM            

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I'm so sick of all this fake stuff.

I miss the 80's so much. Even though I never existed then. But I wish I did. They were such good times.

I loved the hairstyles. If those hairstyles remained it would suit me better than what most girls do these days; straightening their hair pin-straight.

I would do it if I didn't stand out and attract looks.

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posted September 05, 2014 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
That can never be possible.

There's not a past time that was different that I don't miss today. All the past times that I lived through. I have a very different outlook on life than most of you. I have Pisces ascendant and only few can understand.

Sorry.

Brb. I'm crying.

I can't believe some people say they don't miss a time that will never come back, where so many memories, whether they were good or bad ones, existed.

I can't believe humans.

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We try to live in the present. I can't weep for every era I've left behind, Mia. I'd never get anything done.

posted September 05, 2014 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I was talking about a specific place. I wasn't talking about shopping malls. And when I said barren, I didn't mean it that literally do I really have to say this? Am I now supposed to speak in robot language so you can't take every ******* thing so literally? I meant that there were about 80% fewer people there. It looks like there's a curfew. I didn't say it was completely deserted.

Wow, do people really go outside their house these days?! Omg! I didn't know that there were kids and people in the malls. How surprising!

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When I was 9 (about 2007) I was in downtown almost everyday and there would be a lot of crowds of people walking around during summer time, buying groceries, looking around, just having a good time. People were less anti-social.

Today, in the same place, in summer, when I look around these days in downtown, it's almost barren.

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I see no difference between now and 2007 which is why I'm not as impressed by that statement as you think I should be. In fact, the history of texting shows that texting was already more popular than phone calls (in the US) by then:
http://theweek.com/article/index/237240/the-text-message-turns-20-a-brief-history-of-s ms

I recall how popular it had gotten even then, it was already ubiquitous in some places. People still socialized face to face then, just as they do today.

But hey, you wish you came of age in the 80s (no, they didn't have twerking, they had Madonna, and others like her, and gods, the glam metal!). Fair enough, if you were born in the 80s I'm sure you'd have equally unrealistic view of the 60s (as some do today and I'm sure back then)...or perhaps what today would be like as many kids in the 80s did. There's no reason to obsess over it.

posted September 05, 2014 07:21 PM              

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Originally posted by soren:
i think everything is just being exposed, sexual feelings (twerking) and coming to light. the opening of the viels to the truth. its the next step in our awareness. to see the truth, and be ok with it.

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I may sound old even tho I'm 17. But I believe that it shouldn't be this way. Not in a music video where kids can see easily these days. Because they get influenced and follow stuff like that.

I know kids of 8-9 who watch jersey shore and there's even a kid who twerks all the time.

posted September 05, 2014 07:28 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I see no difference between now and 2007 which is why I'm not as impressed by that statement as you think I should be. In fact, the history of texting shows that texting was already more popular than phone calls (in the US) by then:
http://theweek.com/article/index/237240/the-text-message-turns-20-a-brief-history-of-s ms

I recall how popular it had gotten even then, it was already ubiquitous in some places.

But hey, you wish you came of age in the 80s (no, they didn't have twerking, they had Madonna, and others like her, and gods, the glam metal!). Fair enough, if you were born in the 80s I'm sure you'd have equally unrealistic view of the 60s...or perhaps what today would be like. There's no reason to obsess over it.

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I don't care about the statistics. I do not care about when the texting exactly started.

The same way, Facebook started in 2004 but only after 2008 did it started getting popular. No one (and I do not mean literally! Ugh) had never heard of Facebook before that.

It's not about the exact year/time when it started, it's when it starts getting popular.

posted September 05, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I may sound old even tho I'm 17. But I believe that it shouldn't be this way. Not in a music video where kids can see easily these days. Because they get influenced and follow stuff like that.

I know kids of 8-9 who watch jersey shore and there's even a kid who twerks all the time.

Can people just not do stuff like that in private in their rooms? Is it that hard?

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