posted September 05, 2014 09:51 AM              

Like nothing has no meaning anymore.

I feel like the only person who thinks and understands this problem because even old people don't mind sometimes the new stuff.

I don't like the nerdy social media hipsters with giant glasses and messy hair buns and guys copying one direction and **** .

I'm so sick of all this fake stuff.

I miss the 80's so much. Even though I never existed then. But I wish I did. They were such good times.

I loved the hairstyles. If those hairstyles remained it would suit me better than what most girls do these days; straightening their hair pin-straight.

I would do it if I didn't stand out and attract looks.

A perfect music video to represent the perfect 80's is the song called kajagoogoo - too shy.

I love the song and the music video.

I just love the 80's. I like how they have smoke in the parties and music videos, the hairstyles, and there was no stupidity at all.

Everything made much more sense. The lyrics, the situation.

Nothing makes sense anymore in this world. It is so unhealthy the way people put themselves out there all the time on social media. There's so much superficiality and the pressure to be 'cool'.

Now there's so many people on the internet, on YouTube etc that the meaning of being famous and known for a good reason has no meaning anymore.

You can now be famous for eating a tampon.

The world is becoming so immature. I don't like it. I want to escape somewhere. But there's nowhere to go.

If only there was a time machine.

Because if there was a time machine I would go back to the 80's, have loyal and nice friends, there would be less people pregnant at 16, less attention hungry people.

What in the chart would represent someone who longs for the past?

Or am I the only sane one who acknowledges how much the present sucks?

posted September 05, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:

What in the chart would represent someone who longs for the past?

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I already gave some reasoning as to what preferring the past could be in one of your past threads, but you didn't reply because the thread was locked.

As for this specific question (without taking in everything you said on the initial post, as I would be here forever giving reason astrologically for each specific thing, lol), I would say Moon aspecting Saturn and Neptune. Or even better... Moon aspecting Saturn and Neptune when Neptune or Saturn are in aspect with each other (especially a conjunction of Saturn and Neptune) because I think it involves a combination of those planet's energies, so their energies fuse together to get that outlook or feeling towards the past. This is because Moon is your feelings and emotions, and when aspecting Saturn, you like the more conventional things (as in they're more conventional (before 2010) than they are now) ~ (especially with our examples here because people are on social media like crazy now, lol), and when aspecting Neptune, you like the nostalgia (nostalgia is like a memory that contains immense feelings, so that's why I pertain it to the Moon) you get from your memories of the past. Nostalgia is very ethereal in nature, and is formed on the basis of your subconscious (Neptune rules the subconscious mind) from your experience in life - so that's why I pertain it to Neptune.

As for your second question, I personally prefer the past, too (that is when comparing 2010 to 2014). And yes, I know that one wasn't really a question for someone to answer that... I knew it was to imply that it's terrible now, but I still wanted to share my feeling on it, haha

posted September 05, 2014 10:17 AM              

I have Neptune in Capricorn in the 11th house.

I have Saturn in the first house opposing moon in libra.

My Venus is aspecting Neptune by a square too.

But still, I don't think it's only because of my aspects. There must be some kind if truth in what I say.

It really shocks and perplexes me how I'm the only one who sees what's going on these days and the problems and the negative energy around these days.

posted September 05, 2014 10:23 AM            

But these astrological components are what gives you the feelings toward it. And then those feelings drive you into forming your own, objective reasoning for that particular "problem"

And yes, I don't like how society thinks or it's superficial undertones either.

I'm a bit of a rebel, too ("a bit"? I'm sorry, I mean a big rebel), so a lot of what society thinks extremely angers me because it's like they don't use their own brain to think and rationalize things themselves. They go with what everyone else accepts. Just because the majority accepts it, doesn't mean it's true or right (a good example of this is religion and it's clearly false because Science even disproves it (and yes disproves it because evolution proves that the Earth is much older than all other religions say it is - which is only one of the things that disproves it - the main one being a logical and conscious mind, lol), yet the majority think it's true) ~ (what I meant by that is just because so many people believe in a God, doesn't mean he exists) ~ (and the majority of people in the world DO believe in a God existing) And that applies to a lot of things like being correct on something, or morality. I have my own sense of morality and what I think is "right", not how everyone else views it. So just because I disagree with something that would be considered "right" and moral to them, doesn't mean I'm an immoral person. In fact, I'm far from it - I have Jupiter in Sagittarius in an angular house, so you can trust me on this one, haha.

posted September 05, 2014 10:44 AM              

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
^Yes, I know.

But these astrological components are what gives you the feelings toward it. And then those feelings turn into your own, objective reasoning for that particular "problem"

And yes, I don't like how society thinks or it's superficial undertones either.

I'm a bit of a rebel, too ("a bit"? I'm sorry, I mean a big rebel), so a lot of what society thinks extremely angers me because it's like they don't use their own brain to think and rationalize things themself. They go with what everyone else accepts. Just because the majority accepts it, doesn't mean it's true or right (a good example of this is religion because Science even disproves it, yet the majority think it's true) ~ (what I meant by that is just because so many people believe in a God, doesn't mean he exists) ~ (and the majority of people in the world DO believe in a God existing) And that applies to a lot of things like being correct on something, or morality. I have my own sense of morality, not how everyone else views it. So just because I disagree with something that would be considered immoral to them, doesn't mean I'm an immoral person. In fact, I'm far from it.

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It is good to be a rebel. That means that you are intelligent enough to see all the blind faith people have in the world and how much society's slave they are.

The term 'rebel' has been cheapened by people who wear goth clothes, wear tattoos against their parent's wishes or do stuff like that. That's not called a rebel but an attention seeker and a wannabe rebel who does not know the meaning of rebel. Teenagers who claim to be rebels are actually society's slaves lol. Even more than others.

Being a rebel means someone who can see what is happening around the world and all the fake stuff and choose not to follow it or believe in it.

posted September 05, 2014 10:45 AM              

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Originally posted by charlie:
I agree.

I have Saturn in Leo 11H trine Neptune in 4H and opposite Cap Moon in 5H. I DETEST where media has taken humans and all the desperate need for attention. It all makes me claustrophobic.

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posted September 05, 2014 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:

It is good to be a rebel. That means that you are intelligent enough to see all the blind faith people have in the world and how much society's slave they are.

The term 'rebel' has been cheapened by people who wear goth clothes, wear tattoos against their parent's wishes or do stuff like that. That's not called a rebel but an attention seeker and a wannabe rebel who does not know the meaning of rebel. Teenagers who claim to be rebels are actually society's slaves lol. Even more than others.

Being a rebel means someone who can see what is happening around the world and all the fake stuff and choose not to follow it or believe in it.

You should check out 'osho' on YouTube. He's a man who is enlightened and talks about the truth. You will be surprised to hear what he says. He really inspired me and opened my eyes to this stupid world. x

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EXACTLY!
I've always said that as well! They're the fake rebels indeed.

posted September 05, 2014 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by coteau:

This whole thread feels like a teenage rant.

fake rebel teenagers?? they're kids, what do they know?? They're probably just in pain, most teenagers are??
Blame the world and not yourself huh.

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Not all of them are kids, unfortunately... lol.

And them being in "pain", doesn't disprove that. And how do you know that they're probably in "pain"? Maybe they just like feeling like they're "different"? They don't necessarily have to be in "pain" to want to participate in "trying" to be "different" like a lot of people already do. That's what's supposed to be perceived out of it anyway by people, that's why they're doing it, so they're buying into "impressing" society like people tend to do. Or even them actually trying to feel that they're "different" (not for society, but for themselves), which in reality, they're not, either way by default, no matter their reason for doing so. They still think they're "rebels" or "different" (as they may not see it as intense as being "rebellious", but do in fact think they're being "different") to society.

posted September 05, 2014 11:41 AM              

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Originally posted by coteau:
This whole thread feels like a teenage rant.

fake rebel teenagers?? they're kids, what do they know?? They're probably just in pain, most teenagers are??
Blame the world and not yourself huh.

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"This whole thread feels like a teenage rant."

I wonder how many teenagers complain they want to go in the past...

"fake rebel teenagers?? they're kids, what do they know?? They're probably just in pain, most teenagers are??"

So when you are in pain, you're supposed to become an attention seeker by doing outrageous things? Why do I feel like you were one of those teenagers and now you are defending your own self? You say that they're kids, and that they don't know much about life. Exactly. Except that they're not kids, they're teenagers. And it is the reason why they seek attention and want to be known as a rebel because they clearly don't know anything about life, truth or the meaning of rebel.

"Blame the world and not yourself huh."

I am.

Btw, what an intelligent and reasonable argument you made I must say.

(Note the sarcasm).

posted September 05, 2014 11:44 AM              

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
And what's with the criticism? It's not very nice, and almost an example of what I'm saying. Whether the many examples of MiaPluto seems "teenage"-ish or not, doesn't have anything to do with the greater point she is trying to make from her point of view at this time. And I'm not sure if you're labeling what I said into "this whole thread", because if you did, you're quite the ignorant one (if you didn't include me, then I refrain from what I said in the very last part).

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posted September 05, 2014 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
"This whole thread feels like a teenage rant."

I wonder how many teenagers complain they want to go in the past...

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posted September 05, 2014 01:05 PM            

On another note I too have neptune in capricorn in the 11th, and if I could I would live in the 60s in paris.
I actually think that I like things from the 19th century, from marie antoinete type of thing, because my 5th houe is in cancer, and the ruler is conjunct the sun square jupiter, so like foreign royalty from the 19th century or before is really something that gives me a lot of joy.

posted September 05, 2014 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by coteau:

But that's no reason to hate the world today.
I think there are many things about today that are absolutely wonderful and you're just being really pessimistic.

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posted September 05, 2014 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I am certainly not being falsely pessimistic, I am simply being someone who cares for the problems that this world faces (did I ever say there is nothing good about this world? No. Of course there is good things about the world we live in... both now and before various times). Being "pessimistic" is always looked upon as negative by society, when in fact, it's essential in looking at the dark side of things more efficiently because it's allowing you to look through the "pessimistic" filter to see the negative things more clearly. If I were to be neutral, sure, that's the excellent and most realistic way to go, but looking through the pessimistic filter makes it more clear and helpful at times. There needs to be a balance of optimism and pessimism. I'm simply doing my part, and what I think to be the problem to bring it to light. I am by no means overly pessimistic, nor overly optimistic. Otherwise, it would be false and and unrealistic.

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I was directing what I said more to miapluto. But I get what you're saying. I am very optimistic though so I guess I reacted.

posted September 05, 2014 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by coteau:
I was directing what I said more to miapluto. But I get what you're saying. I am very optimistic though so I guess I reacted.

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posted September 05, 2014 01:35 PM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Mia,

as someone who had the good fortune to grow up during the 1980s, let me assure you there were plenty of teenage pregnancies, fake attention-seeking and ultra materialistic people back then, and just as much general stupidity as was ever to be found in any era of human history. As for things being so much fun, well, if anything there was this very distinct doom-gloom atmosphere created by a general assumption which was perpetuated by politicians and media alike, that a nuclear World War III was lurking right around the corner - especially in Europe, perhaps, because our continent was divided, and we would have become the primary war zone. It also meant that people from e.g. Romania had no chance to freely mix with people from, say, Spain. The Iron Curtain marked the end of the inhabitable world, unbelievable as it may be today. Then, the Cernobyl nuclear desaster was also instrumental in giving people the idea that the world was a dangerous place to live in, and sure to be destroyed in the not-too-far future. And all of this in large measure produced the ultra-hedonism and materialism the 80s are also famous for. Sure there was some very nice music and other good stuff around, but there were many other things besides. No era is completely good or bad.

I'm afraid the image you have made up in your mind of the 1980s is an illusion, as it covers only a few superficial aspects of this decade and seems largely a product of the media. Anyway, longing for an idealized past is actually quite often seen in teenagers - aren't they notoriously unsatisfied with their circumstances, regardless of what these actually are? I'm pretty sure I was. By the way, we back then were dreaming of the 1960s or 70s.

So, what aspects? Neptune/Pisces, everything that points to escapism and "Weltschmerz".

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I'm afraid you misunderstood me.

I never said there might have never been pregnancies or fake people. I'm sure they were all there ever since human existence.

But what I'm talking about, is the difference between today and 1980's. And you cannot lie that there is no difference.

You are making this very materialistic, and rational. What I meant was the feeling, atmosphere, the trends, the philosophy, the hairstyles, the songs, just the whole era. That is what I'm actually talking about.

I do not care about the government of that time or the political issues. It's not about that at all. It's far from that.

I personally believe that today, things are much worse if we look at the media and brainwashing happening, people being fake, putting themselves out there, people becoming more dumb. Did anything like Harlem Shake or girl eating a tampon video go viral during that time?

Did people curse as much on TV as now?

I am not talking about 1 of the 100 people person who cursed.

I am not talking about 1 of the 100 girls that got pregnant as a teen.

posted September 05, 2014 01:42 PM              

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Originally posted by coteau:
I specifically said feel. I am not trying to be objective.
I refrain from the blame the world thing, i meant to say you can only control yourself, and be the change you want to be.
I think some of the things you answered back were answering your own questions.

On another note I too have neptune in capricorn in the 11th, and if I could I would live in the 60s in paris.
I actually think that I like things from the 19th century, from marie antoinete type of thing, because my 5th houe is in cancer, and the ruler is conjunct the sun square jupiter, so like foreign royalty from the 19th century or before is really something that gives me a lot of joy.

But that's no reason to hate the world today.
I think there are many things about today that are absolutely wonderful and you're just being really pessimistic.

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If being pessimistic about today is because if a good reason, then I am proudly pessimistic for today.

I don't like anything these days.

When I was 9 (about 2007) I was in downtown almost everyday and there would be a lot of crowds of people walking around during summer time, buying groceries, looking around, just having a good time. People were less anti-social.

Today, in the same place, in summer, when I look around these days in downtown, it's almost barren.

People buy things more online, they are more anti-social.

You may say "how wonderful is technology! You can buy stuff online!"

It's making everything meaningless. Before, you wanted something from another place or country, you had to make deals, or travel there. Today, things are so easy nothing has no meaning anymore. Less excitement, less sense of accomplishment. It's so depressing.

posted September 05, 2014 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:

But what I'm talking about, is the difference between today and 1980's. And you cannot lie that there is no difference.

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Of course there's a difference, just a different kind of difference.

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You are making this very materialistic, and rational. What I meant was the feeling, atmosphere, the trends, the philosophy, the hairstyles, the songs, just the whole era. That is what I'm actually talking about.

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So, does this mean you think that someone like you, who wasn't born back then, could somehow be a better judge of the "feeling" and the atmosphere of an era than people who actually experienced it? Interesting concept but debatable.

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I do not care about the government of that time or the political issues. It's not about that at all. It's far from that.

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Well, most people in the 80s and even teens and children cared very much, because there was literally no escape from it, not at school, and not at home. If you don't get this, you don't get the feeling of that decade at all. It influenced art, music, pop culture, youth movements, and many other spheres alike. What do you think Punks rebelled against? Do you think "No future" was a slogan that was born from having too much fun?

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Did anything like Harlem Shake or girl eating a tampon video go viral during that time?

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Haven't seen either of these things, but no, since there was no internet, things didn't "go viral". People didn't have cell phones. There was no E-mail. People wrote letters on paper.

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Did people curse as much on TV as now?

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Actually people cursed even more, as there was much less "political correctness" officially enforced in the usage of language compared with today. People therefore could be much more racist or sexist without seeming out of line, and they frequently were.

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I am not talking about 1 of the 100 girls that got pregnant as a teen.
I am talking about the whole thing together. And statically, you can go research it, and I am 120% sure it won't be as bad as today.

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