posted September 18, 2014 07:57 AM            

Although I tolerate things a bit more nowadays.

I do not do revenge tactics though.

posted September 18, 2014 08:13 AM            

I guess I relate to Starlight's comments on Leo, Sag and Cancer - the first and third are strong in my chart and I have an angular Jupiter, squaring my Ascendant and chart ruler, making me more Sag-like. Ohhh, and said Mars-Mercury conjunction rules my 7th [others] and 9th [morals] house!!
And tons - I mean, TONS - of Neptune/12th house all over the place.
While it will take me a lot of time to trust someone again like I used to, if they meant a lot to me, I will keep the door open for making up. And taking things out on them will shut that door for good, right? Takes away any chance for us picking things back up in the future. If someone's truly sorry and I can see it hurts them (possibly even more than me!), yeah, I'll totally take them back. But then again, I've always been too forgiving. The opposite of most people here it seems.

I think I try to just deal with my emotions and hope to reach a point where what they said and did doesn't affect me anymore. That for me feels like the best "revenge". Especially when I was younger, but I still tend to throw myself into some project to distract myself, find something where I can find my confidence back again.

posted September 18, 2014 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How would you explain it astrologically?

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Virgo sun.

posted September 18, 2014 09:02 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Virgo sun.

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Interesting. Why Virgo Sun?

posted September 18, 2014 09:02 AM            

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posted September 18, 2014 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting. Why Virgo Sun?

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Because God made them that way???

j/k I will elaborate.

I see Virgo as extremely sensitive like its counterpart Pisces. If you build trust with a Virgo and become their confidant, it's practically sacred, because it really takes a lot to prove yourself worthy of that view into their inner life. This has been my experience.

Betray that for ANY reason and you are banished forever. You get one chance and that's all...Virgos must serve, but they can't serve anyone who makes them feel subservient for it...I think it's crucial to them to uphold their dignity, considering their function and how it can be taken advantage of.

ETA: You wouldn't happen to be a Virgo would you?

posted September 18, 2014 09:21 AM              

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Because God made them that way???

j/k I will elaborate.

I see Virgo as extremely sensitive like its counterpart Pisces. If you build trust with a Virgo and become their confidant, it's practically sacred, because it really takes a lot to prove yourself worthy of that view into their inner life. This has been my experience.

Betray that for ANY reason and you are banished forever. You get one chance and that's all...Virgos must serve, but they can't serve anyone who makes them feel subservient for it...I think it's crucial to them to uphold their dignity, considering their function and how it can be taken advantage of.

ETA: You wouldn't happen to be a Virgo would you?

Sorry...obviously my view is colored by experience and is probably a bit dramatic since my experiences with them have gone rather deep.

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Yes, I am and I think you're right, I noticed that about Virgos, and I think other mutable signs as well: they seem adabtable and lenient, and they are, but they have some sort of border line; once you reach that, there's no way back with them. Virgos more than the other mutable signs because they're also an Earth sign: their switch is more permanent, they are more determined and cut you dry.

I told this to a friend of mine, who unfortunately is cheating on her husband: he is a very good and flexible and serving husband, always there to serve her: don't be mislead by his devotion, if he finds out, he will never forgive you and leave you in a second. He is a Virgo, of course, and this is my experience with Virgos, as you describe.

posted September 18, 2014 09:55 AM            

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they seem adabtable and lenient, and they are, but they have some sort of border line; once you reach that, there's no way back with them.

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posted September 18, 2014 10:36 AM            

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My experiences with the ones I know are similar. We have our little spats every now and then, but even in those moments I'm on my "best" behaviour (no cursing no hurtful words...etc...), coz I don't want to push the limits. I find them among the most accepting people, sometimes I ask if they ever get mad enough to cut me off and they're like "Nah, have to accept the whole package".

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Aww. Your husband, right?

posted September 18, 2014 02:44 PM            

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Revenge? That depends. The best revenge is to find your happiness and to shine before your enemies. This way, they'll know what they lost and how insignificant they really are.

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posted September 18, 2014 03:02 PM            

So Virgo is more about indifference and judging, while Scorpio is more about hatred and revenge when they're hurt or betrayed.

And just to clarify, I am talking about the signs themselves, not the Sun signs.

As for me personally, I used to be about revenge (used to see it as the right thing, too), and even to this day, I have the need to act upon it, but for the most part, I try not to and be above it. I see it as a more advanced thing to do than to be controlled by your emotions and then partake in hurting another individual because of that, instead of working toward peace and understanding of one another. Don't get me wrong, I still do it sometimes, but I really try not to, as I know it is not the right thing to do. True, they did something bad to you first and they deserve it back at them, right? Alright, but it's better to be above that and know that you're more in control with yourself and are a better person than them.

As for unforgiving... I'm still unforgiving for the most part, but I try to get past it and talk to them anyway. I don't respect them as a person or like them as much as I did before that incident, though (depending on what it is, of course).

posted September 18, 2014 08:25 PM            

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I just skimmed through but I don't think anyone mentioned cancers. I think they're another sign that just won't forgive if the line is crossed. I'm a cancer moon and if someone hurts me enough I'll never forgive them. I haven't known many cancer suns but it seems like they hold onto past negativity forever.

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I remember reading somewhere that most people in prison for crimes of passion (such as killing a spouse for cheating or trying to leave) was a Cancer sun or otherwise had a prominent Cancer.

posted September 18, 2014 09:46 PM            

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I remember reading somewhere that most people in prison for crimes of passion (such as killing a spouse for cheating or trying to leave) was a Cancer sun or otherwise had a prominent Cancer.

Though I often joke that it doesn't mean they're the most likely to do it, only the most likely to be caught at it.

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hahahaha...........good joke.

I can see how crimes of passion would be connected to cancer..specially moon in cancer or mars in cancer.

Personally I don't belief in revenge. If I ever loved someone as a person romantic OR NOT and If I considered you a friend ever and opened my heart to you and bonded with you I could never do revenge.

I am not a saint I can be very hurtful with words when provoked enough in the moment bc I am in pain so I strike back but that is as much as I go..

I have never scratch someone's car bc they did something to me or bc they dumped me...

I have had my computer broken several times and I did not respond by breaking his; how is that going to help??

When my ex and I broke up I was in hell everything in my body was in pain and in my soul but I also felt how much he was in pain but he did not want to get back or talk to me and I had purposely moved to another country to try to forget him which is I am sure part of why he did not want to talk to me; I did a spell so he would meet someone soon so he won't be in as much pain and he did two months after we broke up met someone. I regretted the spell later but I CANT STAND feeling someone I love is in pain even if they hurt me recently..

I dont find revenge satisfying AT ALL. ON the contrary is the sort of thing that I would regret. I dont enjoy it all and its against my nature.

If someone enjoys hurting someone even if its to get back at them to me that makes them SADISTIC and just like the other person but they are hiding in their high horse.

I aim at success not to show my enemies what they are missing but bc I got to do something while I am here; try to be the best I can be. It gives me something to thrive for but I am not obsessed with money, power or success.

posted September 18, 2014 11:19 PM            

I've observed that Virgo-dominant people can hold grudges, since they're ruled by Mercury. They can often bring up the most specific details from some incident to support their POV, or have some documents/evidence kept hidden to bust out in case of an argument. They don't really get angry though, it's more like a resigned, "You're a waste of my time." They have strong personal boundaries and are self-sufficient.

Capricorn and Saturn-dominants in general also, I think can be rather grudge-bearing. Like Virgo, they do it in some sense for their self-preservation. Neither sign is really inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, and Capricorn's natural tendency of clinging to the past can do so.

Moon-Uranus and Aquarian-dominant people also can suddenly cut someone off. Both types seem to be sensitive to any attempts at manipulation or general dishonesty (even though they themselves can be adept at manipulating others). When they have decided that you have drastically violated some principle of theirs, they just neatly remove you from their life.

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Give people enough rope and they'll hang themselves. No point in dirtying my karmic hands further.

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posted September 19, 2014 09:05 AM            

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Maybe its my Venus in Scorpio? But i don't forgive.

Sun-Sag
Moon-Cancer
Venus Scorpio
Mars Libra

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I was going to say Venus in Scorpio too! And funny, I'm Sag sun, Venus Scorpio and Mars Libra.

I used to not forgive. Now I do. I had to learn to do it though. Maybe it's not really forgiving but letting go. I let go to a point where I'm neutral about it.

Revenge is another thing. You can take revenge or not and still forgive or not. I don't believe in taking revenge. Honestly, I can't be bothered! LOL.

posted September 19, 2014 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Give people enough rope and they'll hang themselves. No point in dirtying my karmic hands further.

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posted September 19, 2014 09:50 AM            

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It could stem from multiple sources.

I've observed that Virgo-dominant people can hold grudges, since they're ruled by Mercury. They can often bring up the most specific details from some incident to support their POV, or have some documents/evidence kept hidden to bust out in case of an argument. They don't really get angry though, it's more like a resigned, "You're a waste of my time." They have strong personal boundaries and are self-sufficient.

Capricorn and Saturn-dominants in general also, I think can be rather grudge-bearing. Like Virgo, they do it in some sense for their self-preservation. Neither sign is really inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, and Capricorn's natural tendency of clinging to the past can do so.

Moon-Uranus and Aquarian-dominant people also can suddenly cut someone off. Both types seem to be sensitive to any attempts at manipulation or general dishonesty (even though they themselves can be adept at manipulating others). When they have decided that you have drastically violated some principle of theirs, they just neatly remove you from their life.

And of course, there's the infamous Pluto influence, but what I've observed is that if there's enough mutability in the chart, then it won't stand. But assuming that Pluto and Scorpio are dominant instead, they hold grudges, but because they are sensitive and also have a strong ego. It's kind of like, "You made me hurt really badly, so you deserve as much pain as I feel right now."

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I could see what you mean. My husband has a stellium in the 6th and mars, uranus and mercury in scorpio and mars/uranas right on his DC; he holds grudges bc he has a good memory for stuff like that; doesn't forget things easily of that nature. He also has moon in cancer trine mercury.

I don't think just been a virgo though makes you hold grudges. I remember stuff yes and I bring it up if I am attacked kind of like saying "you are such a hypocrite, leave me alone, who do you think you are?, look at yourself" but I don't spend my time hating people and not forgiving people; its a waste of energy and to me that gives them power to hurt me over and over again but if I just let it go I am free.

A scorpio guy I was seeing he knew I was coming over and because I had broken up with him several times he set it up so when I would arrive he would be ******* another girl. I saw him from the window and laughed. I later texted him to let him know that I wasn't mad at all and that it was fine, no hard feelings and I wished him the best LOL. I dont think that is the reaction he was looking for but I meant it for real, I was not mad and after that I never spoke to him again; not out of revenge or anything but why would I? I dont keep people around who purposely try to hurt me even if they fail miserably.

If I would have planned revenge towards him then I would be the same scum he was, ewwwwl, no thank you. I am not lowering myself to his level. Not only that but lowering myself to his level is like saying you got to me and is raising his value and importance.

posted September 24, 2014 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I was going to say Venus in Scorpio too! And funny, I'm Sag sun, Venus Scorpio and Mars Libra.

I used to not forgive. Now I do. I had to learn to do it though. Maybe it's not really forgiving but letting go. I let go to a point where I'm neutral about it.

Revenge is another thing. You can take revenge or not and still forgive or not. I don't believe in taking revenge. Honestly, I can't be bothered! LOL.

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I'll elaborate since we have similar placements. I am a Virgo Sun, Venus in Scorpio, Mars in Libra (Sag Moon).

I forgive, because otherwise it festers. If I don't let things go, I will analyze it to death.

I don't go for revenge either because like you, I just can't be bothered.

Sometimes I will think about it, like, "I should do X, Y, Z" but then I think, "Nah karma will take care of it for me" and then I let it go.

I do not forget though.

While I may put on a nonchalant act when face to face with someone who has wronged me, inside I am thinking, "I remember what you did and I don't trust you anymore."

Once my confidence in someone is gone, or if my respect for someone is gone, it's just gone. No one has been able to get that back from me.

But revenge? No. It's unnecessary. I feel I am always trying to move forward, not look back.