posted October 02, 2014 04:52 PM            

After all I have read about it, it really relates to me big time. Im a male and I had mother issues. She was and still is a total control freak and there are times I wish she was never my mother.

My questions for fellow moon/pluto folks are:

How is your relationship with your mother?

How strong are your emotions?

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

posted October 02, 2014 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
I have such a fascination with this aspect. I gave it nataly, Moon conj pluto in scorpio in the 1st house.

After all I have read about it, it really relates to me big time. Im a male and I had mother issues. She was and still is a total control freak and there are times I wish she was never my mother.

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My questions for fellow moon/pluto folks are:

How is your relationship with your mother?
She's.. Annoying. Controlling too. Anxious. Emotional. Example: I was cooking, following a recipe the other night. She saw me doing something the she wouldn't do and demanded I don't cook that way. I told her I was following a recipe that I found on a website. She got angry and wouldn't talk to me for 3 days.

How strong are your emotions?
I feel them physically. My stomach tightens. It's always the same feeling, I just know, using logic, whether it's a positive or darker emotion.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide? Oh yes. I had my episodes. Nearly completed suicide once... I sort of changed my mind last minute, called 911, and my attitude towards suicide changed since my hospital stay (was in a psychosis-like state for 3 days in the hospital due to all the pills i had ingested)
I've been afraid of myself and what I'm capable of since then, if that makes sense.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?
I simply can't sleep at night. I always need something... Melatonin supplements don't help much. I've been trying not to take any sleeping pills recently and it's very hard. I have too much mental energy...
I've spent 3 consecutive days awake, not getting any sleep a few times. I still had the energy to go hiking...

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?
I haven't had sex in years and I'm pretty young. I don't know about sexual taboos. Can you elaborate?

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Now about other taboos and dark thoughts.. I hope this isn't inappropriate and won't push anybody to do something stupid... But there's something I don't really talk about.
I don't understand why people get hospitalized for suicidal ideation. It's almost as if it's a crime. I think people have the right to decide for themselves. I don't care that they're "not in the right mental state to make decisions" because none of us can judge that. Who decides which mental state is the correct one anyway?
Of course it makes me very uncomfortable when someone tells me they're thinking of suicide. I know it's "wrong" but I feel insincere when I tell them not to do it, and give them reasons not to. I hope they don't feel it and see it as a "kill yourself!" approval or something.
Honestly I hope someone can enlighten me on the subject.

posted October 02, 2014 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
I have such a fascination with this aspect. I gave it nataly, Moon conj pluto in scorpio in the 1st house.

After all I have read about it, it really relates to me big time. Im a male and I had mother issues. She was and still is a total control freak and there are times I wish she was never my mother.

My questions for fellow moon/pluto folks are:

How is your relationship with your mother?

How strong are your emotions?

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?

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I have moon square pluto.

I have a very difficult relationship with my mother. I love her but I've never really wanted to be mothered. So the more she mothered me the more I unconsciously rejected her and the more hurt she got because obviously she wanted to play the mother role. Now that we understand that, we are better.

I can have very strong emotions or I can just not care at all even when people are suffering sad situations. Like when a close relative died recently. It didn't effect me in the least.

I've never been depressed. I can be very sad at times and I don't have issues being sad. I just live the sadness. It's part of life. If you don't feel sad you'll never understand being happy. I've never ever contemplated suicide. It never crossed my mind and I don't understand how others can even think of this.

ETA: I forgot the sleep one! I have suffered quite a lot from insomnia. It comes and goes.

I really like sex. I've never had particular hung ups about sex. Other people can do what they want. I don't see sex as taboo if two people are interested in something. Though personally my sex life is probably rather vanilla and I'm happy with that. I'd rather have a passionate quickie than some huge elaborate set up. LOL. IYKWIM.

posted October 02, 2014 05:22 PM            

How is your relationship with your mother?

It was okay. Some serious issues, but lots of love, too.

How strong are your emotions?

I'm rather emotional (Pisces moon) but have a Cap sun helping me keep things balanced. It's like, I might feel like hell but can usually put it all on the backburner and focus, as long as I have some bare minimum comforts to see me through...like a friend who's willing to listen, or some alone time to look forward to.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

Yes depression, never suicide.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

Varies. I didn't sleep last night. Emotional concerns do keep me up sometimes.

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?

posted October 02, 2014 05:52 PM            

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I'm sorry if this offends someone and I will most likely delete part of this message very soon.

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posted October 02, 2014 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

If someone gets offended, it won't be me. I'm curious about your other "controversial" opinions

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I'll try to keep it short since i have a tendency to write insanely long posts and I'm off-topic..
I don't believe in prisons. It clearly has never worked and is in fact counter-productive, and in fact encourages anti-social behaviors (the whole world is against me? I'll show em! Oh, now I'm in prison? I KNEW IT!!!) That sort of thing.
I have a tendency to direct my sympathy towards criminals because I know for a fact that the great majority of people is already taking care of the victims.
I do not condone harmful behaviors nor am I okay with what the victim had to go through. This is just a tendency. I'm more curious when it comes to the more unpopular aspect of a situation and opinion.

I am also interested in how sexual offenders (including pedophiles..) live once they have been discovered. I know the majority of people instinctively rage, hate those people and wish them all the misery in the world.
The moment when the perpetrator realizes this is what interests me. They have nothing left, no matter what they do. I don't believe revenge is useful in any way, as un-scorpionic as that may sound. That's why it interests me.
Of course I don't necessarily wish to help them. They knew their actions had consequences and they harmed powerless children -I feel empathy for those children and any victim and I would help in any way I can.-
Again, it just interests me.

posted October 02, 2014 06:31 PM            

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I still don't get enough sleep and that's because of the computer, another thing which I use to escape from my emotions.

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posted October 02, 2014 06:45 PM            

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Interesting. So how would you protect the society from, let's say, a serial killer?

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posted October 02, 2014 06:53 PM            

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[b]How is your relationship with your mother?

Tolerated. I love her, but she is constantly trying to control my diet and has my whole life. She's a health freak and she can't connect to anything else unless it's related to health. Bad day? I should've gone gluten-free. That sort of thing. For years. When I was younger (teens) we fought very, very, very hard. She was manipulative, said I was manipulative, etc. Back and forth. It doesn't help that we have Mercury opposition Mars either. But she's also a very strong and strong-willed person.

How strong are your emotions?

Very. And I feel I can never let them out or I would scare people.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

I go up and down. Yes, I think I'm depressed because I just lack motivation to change anything about my life unless life changes it for me, but on the other hand I'm not sad. There's only been a few days out of my entire life where I really just wanted to die and never come out. Boredom does that to me.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

I do now that I take progesterone. Otherwise I was running on 5 hours of sleep some nights, and yes others I simply couldn't go to sleep.

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?

I'm more comfortable being called sexy than beautiful (Sun square Saturn, maybe?) I view sex as a recreational habit but would like to experience it beyond that spectrum / in love. But that would require me to be completely, utterly vulnerable and I'm not quite ready. I think I'd cry a lot and weird myself out let alone my partner. And sexual taboos are sexual taboos... I'll try something once just out of curiosity and think that's a fair trade.[/B]

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Thank you all for your quick replies! Hope i get more responses.

However, hannaramaa, in your response to my last question, would you mind telling me if you have any Venus/Mars aspects to your other planets like Uranus, Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto?

posted October 02, 2014 06:59 PM            

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I am not a pluto/moon individual but my sister has aquarius moon square pluto. I have aries moon square uranus and venus.

The way I have noticed is that her emotions are very volatile. My sister struggles with my mother a lot but not consciously. She still lives with my mother. I appreciate my mom but I am a cap venus/mars, virgo jupiter so I am very critical of those around me. I dont necessarily criticize them but if people ask, I would describe all the weaknesses I see in the person.

My sister and I had a conversation and she started crying when I pointed out a weakness of my mom. She said she didnt feel good about the conversation and it felt like the person who meant most to her was being put down. I mean I am very sane. It's not like I call my mom names or anything disrespectful.

So there you go.

Nick Jonas is a virgo with taurus moon opposite pluto and he wrote a song called jealous

I haven't had a chance to get to know a pluto conjunct moon person.

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I suspect that Moon square pluto or moon conj pluto, would be pretty much still harbor the same feelings.

I believe Moon/pluto Conjunction, Opposition or Square it's a harsh aspect that has the same results.

posted October 02, 2014 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Wow, pretty much everyone here has had depression or and/or suicidal thoughts at one point, and lack of sleep, including me.

This pluto energy is something else i tell ya.

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posted October 02, 2014 07:19 PM            

How is your relationship with your mother?

Honestly, that woman is the most beautiful soul I've ever encountered, and it's amazing because we both feel like we've always been mother/daughter, so I've possibly had the privilege of knowing her forever. She is so supportive, and loving to me-she is super protective of me, and she has sacrificed so much for me and my brothers. I love her so much, it's crazy. We are really close; I tell her everything, we talk every day about everything, and we go out together. She is a Sag, Pisces Moon and I'm a Gemini, Leo Moon and we have so so so much fun together.

How strong are your emotions?

Surprisingly really strong for a 12th house mooner. I'm highly empathic, and I feel things really strongly, so I try to keep things in check, and not base things off of my emotions. Luckily, my pluto In Scorpio in 3rd helps me rationalize my thoughts so I'm not just reacting.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

Yes. I have actually attempted suicide in 2007,2010, and 2013 but God had bigger plans for me, and I made the true realization that things do get better, and that I have goals, dreams, lessons, and obligations, and offing myself would stifle my growth.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

I am a high energy person, with a highly active mind, so sleep is a luxury to me. I usually sleep about 5 hours a day, and I'm up. I've been known to turn on a vacuum and clean due to insomnia.

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?

I don't even know how to answer that question. My eros, vesta, and venus are conjunct on 8th/9th house cusp in Taurus/Aries. My black moon lillith, and asteroid lillith are conjunct Pluto so they also quintile my moon.

My sensuality is natural to me; I'm the touchy-feely type with people. I view sex as experience-an expression of my souls desires. Sex isn't a chore, it isn't a game, but a journey to me, and I love to travel and experience things.

posted October 03, 2014 01:09 AM            

How is your relationship with your mother?
Volatile. Unstable. In one way, she can be incredibly loyal and there for me. Then, this loyalty is not nurturing, but smothering. It's suffocating. She tries hard to control what I eat, when I sleep, etc, and she doesn't go about it in a very nice way either. When I was younger, she would often try to manipulate me or outright lie to me instead of being honest with me. I resented her a lot for this and there were a lot of power struggles growing up. I need distance from her.

Edit: Also, my mother did not want children. She was not prepared for taking care of a child either. I think in part, she resented me and my existence because
How strong are your emotions?
My emotions are extremely powerful. A lot of people comment that I seem rather detached- "calm, cool, collected" is what's often used to describe me. Below the surface, it's just the opposite actually, and I often dislike my emotional instability. I am really good with emergencies and crisis situations though. I don't feel panicked, I just feel calm.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?
Yes, I've had issues with depression and do continue to struggle with them. I've also contemplated suicide multiple times. Edit: I also have huge mood swings, and I don't think I'll ever get them under control :/

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?
I have verrry irregular sleeping cycles. Sometimes I sleep for 3 hours and I'm perfectly awake, other times I'll sleep for 14 hours and all I do the next day is doze off. I don't really get insomnia, unless I have nightmares (which are pretty rare).

posted October 03, 2014 02:05 AM              

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I don't know if this counts, but My moon quintiles my Pluto.

How is your relationship with your mother?

Honestly, that woman is the most beautiful soul I've ever encountered, and it's amazing because we both feel like we've always been mother/daughter, so I've possibly had the privilege of knowing her forever. She is so supportive, and loving to me-she is super protective of me, and she has sacrificed so much for me and my brothers. I love her so much, it's crazy. We are really close; I tell her everything, we talk every day about everything, and we go out together. She is a Sag, Pisces Moon and I'm a Gemini, Leo Moon and we have so so so much fun together.

How strong are your emotions?

Surprisingly really strong for a 12th house mooner. I'm highly empathic, and I feel things really strongly, so I try to keep things in check, and not base things off of my emotions. Luckily, my pluto In Scorpio in 3rd helps me rationalize my thoughts so I'm not just reacting.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

Yes. I have actually attempted suicide in 2007,2010, and 2013 but God had bigger plans for me, and I made the true realization that things do get better, and that I have goals, dreams, lessons, and obligations, and offing myself would stifle my growth.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

I am a high energy person, with a highly active mind, so sleep is a luxury to me. I usually sleep about 5 hours a day, and I'm up. I've been known to turn on a vacuum and clean due to insomnia.

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?

I don't even know how to answer that question. My eros, vesta, and venus are conjunct on 8th/9th house cusp in Taurus/Aries. My black moon lillith, and asteroid lillith are conjunct Pluto so they also quintile my moon.

My sensuality is natural to me; I'm the touchy-feely type with people. I view sex as experience-an expression of my souls desires. Sex isn't a chore, it isn't a game, but a journey to me, and I love to travel and experience things.

I have no qualms about anything taboo because people like what they like, as long as it's safe, sanitary, not too extreme....idk honestly.

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You sound just like me ( or me like you ).

I have Pluto Square Moon.

How is your relationship with your mother?
The most loving person I've ever met. She has always been there for me, always stuck up for me when people were hassling me. Always been my biggest fan.

How strong are your emotions?
Very strong. High empathy. Deep feelings of emotional pain.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?
On and off but I can force myself to get over things. I attempted this year. I probably shouldn't be here, but for some miracle I cannot explain, I am still here.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?
What is proper? I force myself to get 7 hours as I work 6 days a week. There have been times where I've slept 4-5 hours. Other periods in my life where I would sleep 12-16 hours.

posted October 03, 2014 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Wow, pretty much everyone here has had depression or and/or suicidal thoughts at one point, and lack of sleep, including me.

This pluto energy is something else i tell ya.

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I'm pretty sure this describes the human experience rather than a Plutonian experience. It surprises me when anyone says they never considered suicide even for an instant or never had a depressed episode (that's to include grieving and the like, not a medical condition, though it's all too easy to be diagnosed as depressed whether you have medical depression or not), regardless of their placements. And all the OTC meds show that insomnia (or staying awake) are a very common problem.

posted October 03, 2014 03:11 AM            

My relationship with my mother was rocky because she didn't (and doesn't) love me, and used me as a game piece in her war against others or to get money & bennies. Still, there wasn't much hate between us, she at least didn't try to smother me and when I ran away from home she never reported me missing (for fear of losing her benefits). As an adult she and I have gotten along better (though we're very distant from each other emotionally) and I forgave her a lot of things, genuinely feeling pity for the life events that made her who she is (she'd hate me if she knew that). I believe she was someone close to me in a past life that I'd done something pretty bad to.

My emotions can be very strong but my self-discipline is usually stronger and my emotions rarely dominate me. That doesn't mean that therefore I don't feel emotions strongly, it just means I'm not weak (though I do have moments of weakness). ETA: Note that I define my emotions as PART of me rather than my identity and that might make a difference (whereas many others are what they feel with all else mere details to their identity, perhaps even just an outgrowth of their feelings).

Ironically, I can cry more over cartoon characters that I quickly forget about than those whose passing hurt me for years simply because I don't have to analyze or practice control for the cartoon character. At the same time I used to burn incense and commune with the spirit of one who died for years until I felt his spirit found peace...I don't ever recall shedding a single tear for him, however, though I held a passionate compassion for him and I think cared for him more than anyone else in his life did (certainly at the time he died).

I'm not sure "depression" is the right word, but I have known sadness, and though I usually shake it off pretty fast (enough that I usually comfort myself saying "this feeling will pass soon enough") there have been times it lingered. And tying into life with my mother, the worst dreams IMO aren't even the nightmares (which can be hellacious) but where I'm a kid living with my mother again...those are so dreary and I wake up with the dreariness lingering (though glad to be away again). And I have known true despair, but there were very good reasons for that.

I did resolve to suicide right after my best friend died (I was 15) but was stopped. A spiritual experience made sure I didn't try again. Personally, I believe if I ever tried it I'd succeed the first time...but then I've considered how best to go about it, just in case. There are fates worse than death, and in some cases death is a viable escape for me. I know, I've been there.

As for sleep...off and on, it varies too much. I've got so many things I want to do so I don't get as much as I should...I liked it best when I could stay awake for a couple of days and then sleep 12 hours. I can't really get away with that now. I've read that we need less sleep as we get older, but I don't believe it. I asked Granny her opinion on that and she also disagrees saying that older people find they simply can't afford as much sleep as they used to due to so many responsibilities and concerns (and all the health problems and meds don't help either) but can still function...but just because someone can function off a single meal a day of little more than bread & water doesn't mean that therefore they need less food as they get older, it just means they can get by on what they're able to get.

Sensuality...I love it, though probably not as much as a Taurus. I mean that in the dictionary sense, not just the sexual sense. I tend to be demisexual, I believe it's because of how I direct my energies, when I don't think about sex then I don't need it, when someone gets me acting sexual then I get to enjoy it, which typically is with someone I'm already close to. However, I experimented fearlessly (though not recklessly) when I was younger without shame and I don't equate love with sex, those are two different things to me. And like my emotions, I can and will control them if I think it's not in my best interest which I define by more pragmatic and ethical terms (such as honesty and agreements) rather than dogmatic morality. I'm comfortable with the idea of polyamory though my close partners were not so I never got to try it. I was part of a sex club for a few months, and there's little (legal) that I haven't tried, and even what I'm not interested in isn't something I look down on others for doing.

Sexual taboos...summed up, if those involved can legally sign contracts (age of majority) then they can agree on anything between them. Those who don't, or legally can't (that includes the dead and animals as well as children), aren't to be messed with. That's generally speaking (and what I want to see codified into law) as I can see exceptions...offhand, I'm thinking of someone say 13 or 14 who I think is capable of making adult decisions (some kids that young are actually more mature and have more sense than adults more than twice their age), though ideally they'd become emancipated (which means full adult rights that include signing of contracts, military duty, right to drive and own weapons, right to vote, etc, and also means they're held to the standards of adults legally rather than as juveniles--speaking of which, I believe denying kids the right to make adult decisions but wanting to charge them as adults when they mess up is ethically absurd and BS, and likewise I think it's ridiculous to allow kids to consent to sex with adults when they're still considered too immature to sign contracts or vote).

I used to support the sex offender d-bases, but I no longer do. The reason is I viewed it as a means of defense against genuine predators, but people who aren't predators get put on them, and furthermore they're counterproductive (for example, they're hurting kids rather than protecting them when say two 13-year-olds get put on them as both victim and offender for having sex with each other) as most people aren't interested in public safety but rather enforcing their self-righteous morality (that is, they don't care if you're safer, only that their morals aren't offended and thus they can feel superior to those who offend) and using it as an electronic scarlet letter. Until that (and a couple of other points) changes I withdraw my support of the idea and would sign my name on a public petition to do away with them.

As for other "dark" subjects, I'll explore anything and everything (and often find connections that others miss) which may include experimentation to better understand reality. Nature is bloody as it is beautiful, and I never expected life to be fair or just, and I see no point in believing in something just because I WANT it to be true. I'd rather have the truth, even when ugly, than embrace a lie, no matter how beautiful and comforting. I find many people are absurdly easy to frighten with even mere ideas. Heck, even as a kid in public school I was actively discouraged from asking questions or commenting on the material which ranged from special privileges for keeping quiet to harsh disciplining if I opened my mouth...and precocious as I was at that age I'm even deeper now with far more ideas to disturb others with (even those ideas that don't seem the least bit disturbing at all to me).

posted October 03, 2014 03:44 AM            

The line between love and hate is non-existent..

How strong are your emotions?

Very and I prefer to cruise on my 50% Air (Aquarius). I am 50 water and 50 air.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

I think about suicide all the time but not to kill myself. I want to understand the thoughts of others as they travel that road to finally reach the decision to do it.

I also think about killing people and how that would be.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Or do you or have you ever suffered from Insomnia?

I never really sleep becasue I always dream. Most dreams come true, one way or another.

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?

I have no taboos. I am very sensual in an "earthy" way and I desire to melt into my partner. It's a mind/body thing. I detest changing postions or role play. It has to come from within. It's something one is born with.

posted October 03, 2014 02:30 PM            

How is your relationship with your mother?

Better now because I accept her for who she is and the fact that I won't get the emotional support I need. She can be quite cold and judgmental, underneath a show of caring, as well as totally suffocating. But, I know how to respond to that now. And I keep my distance, as much as I love her. I have to, for my emotional health.

How strong are your emotions?

Very strong and powerful. But, I almost relish in that nowadays because I have an outlet for all of that now in my creative life. I think expressing my emotional world through this channel has made me really value this placement and what a gift it is.

Have you ever had depression in your life? Thoughts of suicide?

This past Moon-Saturn transit I went through plummeted me into my first proper period of clinical depression. I've always had really strong moods and have always known deep sadness. But, this was the first time I actually felt myself go under. Thankfully, I found a way to crawl out of it, though it still gets tough these days. I have to echo what one person said earlier. I've reflected about suicide but I've never had a drive to actually do it. In the end, I love life too much.

Do you get proper amounts of sleep? Do you or have you ever had insomnia?

I'm naturally a VERY deep sleeper and have always loved sleeping. But, Neptune's conjunct my Ascendant and sextile my Moon. For the past couple years, I struggled with recurring insomnia but I've realized that it was just due to some emotionally unresolved stuff. Sleeping is all tied up with my strong intuition and deep feelings. I think Water Moons tend to be very good with sleep habits, generally, because Water's such an unconscious element.

How is your sensuality? How do you view sex? How do you view sexual taboos?