posted October 10, 2014 06:58 PM            

URANUS lends a rebellious heart, especially in relation to societal norms. URANUS on angles and/or Aqua rising. These will give a native inherent eccentricities.

posted October 10, 2014 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpAqua:
I have 4th house Uranus, Aquarius moon (8th).
I live alone and prefer to furnish the house according to my rules and taste. Although perfectly capable of being social, I don't get "lonely". People are kept at a distance through choice.

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Mmmm... Makes sense. Sag Moon conjunct Uranus... I'm super sociable but I hate close friends.

People would thing I have a million friends because I get along with everybody but I just want to be left alone.

posted October 10, 2014 07:14 PM            

Neptune/Pisces on the cusp of the 3rd,7th,11th

Pluto/Scorpio on the cusp of the 3rd,7th or 11th

Virgo on the cusp of the 3rd,7th or 11th

Aquarius/Uranus on the cusp of the 3rd,7th or 11th

posted October 10, 2014 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I would say a prominent URANUS, and an afflicted 4R. A stellium or malefics in the 4H.

URANUS lends a rebellious heart, especially in relation to societal norms. URANUS on angles and/or Aqua rising. These will give a native inherent eccentricities.

MOON afflicted, strong 4H presence, interceptions - these will give the native a focus on home and private life.

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posted October 10, 2014 07:24 PM            

I don't know if somehow I radiate too much intensity and am oblivious to it. But I don't ever come across as creepy or super weird or anything. It feels unfair at times, to put it simply.

I do have an angular Uranus (7th house), and a few aspects to Uranus. My Moon in Gem is not afflicted but it's in the 12th. I have Virgo on the 4th, but with a Venus/Jupiter conjunction. Intercepted 1st house in Cancer. Sun is unaspected and opposing my MC.

posted October 10, 2014 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Capricorn/Saturn on the cusp of the 3rd, 7th or 11th.

Neptune/Pisces on the cusp of the 3rd,7th,11th

Pluto/Scorpio on the cusp of the 3rd,7th or 11th

Virgo on the cusp of the 3rd,7th or 11th

Aquarius/Uranus on the cusp of the 3rd,7th or 11th

A stellium in the 3rd, 7th and 11th house

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I have none of these...

posted October 10, 2014 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpAqua:
I have 4th house Uranus, Aquarius moon (8th).
I live alone and prefer to furnish the house according to my rules and taste. Although perfectly capable of being social, I don't get "lonely". People are kept at a distance through choice.

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posted October 10, 2014 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
This is what I wonder about too. I struggle with a strong feeling of complete 'aloneness' in life. It's just something that sticks with me no matter what I do it seems. I feel that no matter how hard I try, I cannot connect with anyone on a truly deep basis. I feel I try way harder to connect with people on a deep level though, but somehow the people I attract don't ever return it, or are turned off by being deep. Not with everyone I meet, but quite often.

I don't know if somehow I radiate too much intensity and am oblivious to it. But I don't ever come across as creepy or super weird or anything. It feels unfair at times, to put it simply.

I do have an angular Uranus (7th house), and a few aspects to Uranus. My Moon in Gem is not afflicted but it's in the 12th. I have Virgo on the 4th, but with a Venus/Jupiter conjunction. Intercepted 1st house in Cancer. Sun is unaspected and opposing my MC.

If I could blame it on anything astrologically that I feel for me personally is in the top 3 of possible factors, it's my 12th house Mars. I have to wonder sometimes if the reason why being alone feels so pronounced for me is because it's in that house and it's my Apex planet. Makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes, lol. Also, the ruler of my 11th house is Mars, and if it's in the 12th, I seem to always attract friendships that do feel secretive, and aren't too outwardly open. They don't really feel bubbly and outgoing and 'normal'.

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I feel what you're going through... I do agree that 12th house could be the culprit. It does feel unfair and sucky. Especially when there's an absolute dissonance between the way you "seem" and the way you "are". It's awful. The ruler of my 11th house, Jupiter, is conjunct my MC in Scorpio. I'm not too sure how that would manifest... It's also trine my 1st house Venus. I think those are all "good" aspects, that might give me a seemingly jovial and welcoming attitude. I am not mean and am very friendly to everyone. But I just don't feel like I have true friendship. And I don't wanna start on dating, ugh.

posted October 10, 2014 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
What explains the need to hide one's true personality in such a way that they cannot develop meaningful relationships and in turn find themselves lonely?

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posted October 10, 2014 08:23 PM            

in my chart I put it down to a combination of various factors:

Moon in 12H (need for retreat, to hide)

Uranus conj Sun in 8H (rebellious and probing nature, desire to be completely myself, ability to see through societal norms)

Mars conj Jupiter in 11H (lots of friends) square Sun/Saturn (can't balance social life with commitment to self)

Venus conj Pluto in 7H (intense desire for intimate contact, leads to loneliness when often unfulfilled)

posted October 10, 2014 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
What explains someone who is destined, almost, to be lonely? Someone who might seem like they're confident, social, and extroverted to everyone else but are the exact opposite in reality and cannot seem to integrate with the generational social norms and the culture in which they are situated? What explains the need to hide one's true personality in such a way that they cannot develop meaningful relationships and in turn find themselves lonely?

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Uhhh hi, call on me! My chart is a great example for this I think.

I have 4 planets in the 11th, and 3 of them in Aries. If it was me I would assume the person has a lot of friends because it's the house of groups...and friends!

However

I have Sun, Mercury, Venus square Saturn

And Sun, Mercury, Venus square Neptune

Moon trine Saturn
Moon trine Neptune
Moon trine Uranus

and Mars, my planet of action, in the 12th.

Saturn, Uranus, Neptune in the 12th - basically a story of people

My Gemini ASC makes me appear extroverted and social, but Saturn and Pluto aspecting my Moon - I really, really, really hate being taken off guard.
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Why do I hide away my true personality?

posted October 10, 2014 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by wilderplain:
I think it could be a combination of various things in the chart... I really identify with your initial post, I am also confident and outgoing but also don't feel like I belong anywhere, ever. Feeling quite lonely even though I have a lot of friends.

in my chart I put it down to a combination of various factors:

Moon in 12H (need for retreat, to hide)

Uranus conj Sun in 8H (rebellious and probing nature, desire to be completely myself, ability to see through societal norms)

Mars conj Jupiter in 11H (lots of friends) square Sun/Saturn (can't balance social life with commitment to self)

Venus conj Pluto in 7H (intense desire for intimate contact, leads to loneliness when often unfulfilled)

I'd look at your natal aspects with the outer planets - I think they tend to feel more 'timeless' and can lead to an individual identifying more with absolute principles than with the constant flux of societal and generational norms, which in turn leads to feeling like an outcast or like you just don't belong.

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I am this way as well. I also have Jupiter in the 11th house (lots of friends), but in Pisces (ethereal, deep connections) and square to Uranus in the 7th house Sag (must be independent, can't feel "latched onto"). I've never felt I belonged anywhere. No matter where I go, who I'm with, what I try, it's never "right". Just have to go with it anyway, force yourself to fit in. I wonder how many people do that, though.

I'd add:

-many retrograde planets/personal planets (feeling "out of time" or in the wrong time)
-Saturn on an angle, afflicting Moon or Venus (depression, isolation, fearfulness)
-8th or 12th house emphasis (reclusive, but secretly so)
-strong Pluto contacts or Scorpio placements (lone wolf or outcast)

I have 6 Rx planets. The only planets that are not Rx is Venus and Pluto. I attribute a lot of my disconnected feeling to this.

My sister is also a good example. I know she is a very lonely and isolated person on the inside even though she's very outgoing and congenial on the outside.

She has:

-Sun/Uranus conjunct in 6th house Libra
-Moon/Jupiter conjunct in 7th house Scorpio
-Rx Saturn in 1st house Taurus opposing Venus in 7th house Scorpio

posted October 10, 2014 08:51 PM            

I can relate to some extent with this.

Pluto/Saturn in the 11th

Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12th (chart ruler is jupiter)

posted October 10, 2014 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I feel what you're going through... I do agree that 12th house could be the culprit. It does feel unfair and sucky. Especially when there's an absolute dissonance between the way you "seem" and the way you "are". It's awful. The ruler of my 11th house, Jupiter, is conjunct my MC in Scorpio. I'm not too sure how that would manifest... It's also trine my 1st house Venus. I think those are all "good" aspects, that might give me a seemingly jovial and welcoming attitude. I am not mean and am very friendly to everyone. But I just don't feel like I have true friendship. And I don't wanna start on dating, ugh.

Also, I really like your username. The imagery is strong and it paints a very vivid picture in my head. Kind of soothing in a weird way, picturing a yellow elevator...

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Thank you, I'm glad you can sympathize and understand It really can feel awful. I definitely have a love/hate relationship with the 12th house, lol.

Those do all seem like nice aspects to have! I imagine Jupiter conjunct the MC could give off a warm and welcoming appearance like you said. But yes, that is how I feel as well. I'm sorry you experience those feelings! I hope it gets easier over time.

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posted October 10, 2014 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would say 12th house. Saturn in the 12th makes for a person who feels he is on the outside looking in

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Yep.
Just about anything 12th.

posted October 11, 2014 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Yep.
Just about anything 12th.

I'm sure there's a lot of different things but to me that's number one.
The things there are certainly not mainstream.

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posted October 11, 2014 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by wilderplain:
I think it could be a combination of various things in the chart... I really identify with your initial post, I am also confident and outgoing but also don't feel like I belong anywhere, ever. Feeling quite lonely even though I have a lot of friends.

in my chart I put it down to a combination of various factors:

Moon in 12H (need for retreat, to hide)

Uranus conj Sun in 8H (rebellious and probing nature, desire to be completely myself, ability to see through societal norms)

Mars conj Jupiter in 11H (lots of friends) square Sun/Saturn (can't balance social life with commitment to self)

Venus conj Pluto in 7H (intense desire for intimate contact, leads to loneliness when often unfulfilled)

I'd look at your natal aspects with the outer planets - I think they tend to feel more 'timeless' and can lead to an individual identifying more with absolute principles than with the constant flux of societal and generational norms, which in turn leads to feeling like an outcast or like you just don't belong.

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posted October 11, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Uhhh hi, call on me! My chart is a great example for this I think.

I have 4 planets in the 11th, and 3 of them in Aries. If it was me I would assume the person has a lot of friends because it's the house of groups...and friends!

However

I have Sun, Mercury, Venus square Saturn

And Sun, Mercury, Venus square Neptune

Moon trine Saturn
Moon trine Neptune
Moon trine Uranus

and Mars, my planet of action, in the 12th.

Saturn, Uranus, Neptune in the 12th - basically a story of people

My Gemini ASC makes me appear extroverted and social, but Saturn and Pluto aspecting my Moon - I really, really, really hate being taken off guard.
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Why do I hide away my true personality?

Well, it's not that I try to hide it per se but a) I couldn't even tell you what my 'true' personality is. I mean from me looking out into the world it almost seems like I relate to everything. I'm very uncertain when it comes to people therefore I expect people to be uncertain about me therefore nothing really builds, if that makes sense.

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posted October 11, 2014 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by bopbop:
I am this way as well. I also have Jupiter in the 11th house (lots of friends), but in Pisces (ethereal, deep connections) and square to Uranus in the 7th house Sag (must be independent, can't feel "latched onto"). I've never felt I belonged anywhere. No matter where I go, who I'm with, what I try, it's never "right". Just have to go with it anyway, force yourself to fit in. I wonder how many people do that, though.

I'd add:

-many retrograde planets/personal planets (feeling "out of time" or in the wrong time)
-Saturn on an angle, afflicting Moon or Venus (depression, isolation, fearfulness)
-8th or 12th house emphasis (reclusive, but secretly so)
-strong Pluto contacts or Scorpio placements (lone wolf or outcast)

I have 6 Rx planets. The only planets that are not Rx is Venus and Pluto. I attribute a lot of my disconnected feeling to this.

My sister is also a good example. I know she is a very lonely and isolated person on the inside even though she's very outgoing and congenial on the outside.

She has:

-Sun/Uranus conjunct in 6th house Libra
-Moon/Jupiter conjunct in 7th house Scorpio
-Rx Saturn in 1st house Taurus opposing Venus in 7th house Scorpio

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What you said in your 1st paragraph is exxxxxxxxxxxxactly how I feel. Sometimes, the extent to which there is a disparity between how I feel and how I am perceived is so vast that it makes me feel manipulative, deceptive and even self-defeating.

That's a lot of retrograde planets. I only have Mercury as we've discussed in the other forum.

Your criteria, if I may call it that, resonates so much with my chart and what I experience. I have Saturn in the 1st conjunct Sun, Mercury, Venus. Saturn in the 1st is awful. It makes you feel so much worse than you come off. You feel like you reek of insecurity but people perceive it as assuredness and reliability. It's very unnerving.

posted October 11, 2014 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
Thank you, I'm glad you can sympathize and understand It really can feel awful. I definitely have a love/hate relationship with the 12th house, lol.

Those do all seem like nice aspects to have! I imagine Jupiter conjunct the MC could give off a warm and welcoming appearance like you said. But yes, that is how I feel as well. I'm sorry you experience those feelings! I hope it gets easier over time.

And thank you, that's very kind! I like your description there. I wish I came up with 'Yellow Elevator' myself, but it's actually the title of a song by The Black Angels! They're a favorite band of mine.

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Thank you for sharing your struggles and difficulty with this. I know it's not easy and I appreciate you and everyone who took the time to talk about this. It seems we all have a common underlying issue. I too have a love hate with the 12th. I hope things do get better with time for all of us but I hate relying on time and its nonchalance. I want to solve it. Do something about it so I can live and be content...