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GoingDutch
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posted November 13, 2014 04:29 PM
  
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aquaguy91
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posted November 13, 2014 05:01 PM
Ladies,
Not meaning to be confrontational but I don't buy the notion that some guys just inherently put out a "creepy vibe". The reason being is I have seen tons of guys who are legitimately creepy get women. Personally I think the word "creepy" is woman speak for "man who I don't find physically attractive". But I don't think women even consciously realize it. I have just seen to many women call a man/men "creepy" without any reason but turn right around and date or go to bed with men who are really a threat. But that's just my opinion based off of my personal experiences and observations. IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
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posted November 13, 2014 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Ladies,
Not meaning to be confrontational but I don't buy the notion that some guys just inherently put out a "creepy vibe". The reason being is I have seen tons of guys who are legitimately creepy get women. Personally I think the word "creepy" is woman speak for "man who I don't find physically attractive". But I don't think women even consciously realize it. I have just seen to many women call a man/men "creepy" without any reason but turn right around and date or go to bed with men who are really a threat. But that's just my opinion based off of my personal experiences and observations.
You can be physically attracted to someone and still find them creepy. I dated someone who creeped me out. Very good looking guy, but he was very intense and would stare at me constantly and say really intense things. It creeped me out. I was able to put up with it more because I did find him physically attractive, but he had a "creepy vibe" nonetheless. I had a thing for another guy until he started to act creepy, at which point I began loathing him and shut the whole thing down. The point is that a guy can give a creeper vibe even if you're into his looks. And he can give a legitimate creeper vibe if you're NOT into his looks too. I don't think every guy I don't find physically attractive has that vibe though. The guy I was talking about before is not someone I find physically attractive but he's definitely not ugly. It's just more irksome when you don't find them attractive. IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted November 13, 2014 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
... I have seen tons of guys who are legitimately creepy get women.
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aquaguy91
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posted November 13, 2014 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Legitimately creepy? what do u mean?
Well when I think of an action that's "creepy" I would find it creepy/threatening regardless of who was doing it. For example, if a girl I thought was hot tried flirting with me/hitting on me I would enjoy it! But if a girl I found unattractive hit on me in the same way I might be uncomfortable. Therefore the action of flirting isn't creepy it's just a matter of the wrong person flirting. IMO creepy is a serious word to use because it implies someone is a threat to you/other people. So you should only use that word when someone is actually a threat and not just use it because you don't like someone.IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted November 13, 2014 05:45 PM
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wheresthemoon
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posted November 13, 2014 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enneline:
[b] Legitimately creepy? what do u mean?
Well when I think of an action that's "creepy" I would find it creepy/threatening regardless of who was doing it. For example, if a girl I thought was hot tried flirting with me/hitting on me I would enjoy it! But if a girl I found unattractive hit on me in the same way I might be uncomfortable. Therefore the action of flirting isn't creepy it's just a matter of the wrong person flirting. IMO creepy is a serious word to use because it implies someone is a threat to you/other people. So you should only use that word when someone is actually a threat and not just use it because you don't like someone.[/B][/QUOTE]When I say someone is creepy it's because they're creepy. I've had guys who were unattractive flirt with me and I didn't find it creepy. I just felt bad for not being interested. I'm talking about overtly staring. Taking video of himself looking at my FB page and then posting it. Sending dirty pictures VERY prematurely. Pulling up next to me and insisting they give me a ride when I don't know them. Following me around. All creepy actions committed by guys I found attractive. Creepy is creepy, regardless of what a person looks like. What you're saying makes it sound like women are just too shallow to know the difference. I'm not trying to be confrontational either, it's just a little offensive. IP: Logged |
Dreaminess
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posted November 13, 2014 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
You can be physically attracted to someone and still find them creepy. I dated someone who creeped me out. Very good looking guy, but he was very intense and would stare at me constantly and say really intense things. It creeped me out. I was able to put up with it more because I did find him physically attractive, but he had a "creepy vibe" nonetheless. I had a thing for another guy until he started to act creepy, at which point I began loathing him and shut the whole thing down. The point is that a guy can give a creeper vibe even if you're into his looks. And he can give a legitimate creeper vibe if you're NOT into his looks too. I don't think every guy I don't find physically attractive has that vibe though. The guy I was talking about before is not someone I find physically attractive but he's definitely not ugly. It's just more irksome when you don't find them attractive.
What intense things would he say? (i think i might be dealing with the same but this is just with a neighboor, a lady, and i find her a bit..strange)
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aquaguy91
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posted November 13, 2014 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
When I say someone is creepy it's because they're creepy. I've had guys who were unattractive flirt with me and I didn't find it creepy. I just felt bad for not being interested. I'm talking about overtly staring. Taking video of himself looking at my FB page and then posting it. Sending dirty pictures VERY prematurely. Pulling up next to me and insisting they give me a ride when I don't know them. Following me around. All creepy actions committed by guys I found attractive. Creepy is creepy, regardless of what a person looks like. What you're saying makes it sound like women are just too shallow to know the difference. I'm not trying to be confrontational either, it's just a little offensive.
Ah now the stories are changing. Lol Before this you and some of the other women in this thread were referring to guys who just had "a creepy vibe" without giving any substantial reason for why these guys were creepy. Now all of a sudden these guys are stalkers and rapists. Before you said you knew a guy who stare at people and wouldn't talk much and women found that creepy. IMO that is just an introverted person being introverted, that's what they do. I have also seen women label certain introverted men as creepy but I have also seen them label good looking introverts as "sexy and mysterious". So yes, I think alot of women subconsciously label guys they find unattractive as creepy. I don't think it's right or wrong, it's just the way it is. But the above behavior you described is indeed creepy, that is the type of behavior that would be considered creepy regardless of who was doing those things. But when you say someone just has a creepy vibe without any good reason you are probably just being irrational. I have never looked at someone and thought "they are creepy" without a good reason.
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wheresthemoon
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posted November 13, 2014 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
[b] When I say someone is creepy it's because they're creepy. I've had guys who were unattractive flirt with me and I didn't find it creepy. I just felt bad for not being interested. I'm talking about overtly staring. Taking video of himself looking at my FB page and then posting it. Sending dirty pictures VERY prematurely. Pulling up next to me and insisting they give me a ride when I don't know them. Following me around. All creepy actions committed by guys I found attractive. Creepy is creepy, regardless of what a person looks like. What you're saying makes it sound like women are just too shallow to know the difference. I'm not trying to be confrontational either, it's just a little offensive.
Ah now the stories are changing. Lol Before this you and some of the other women in this thread were referring to guys who just had "a creepy vibe" without giving any substantial reason for why these guys were creepy. Now all of a sudden these guys are stalkers and rapists. Before you said you knew a guy who stare at people and wouldn't talk much and women found that creepy. IMO that is just an introverted person being introverted, that's what they do. I have also seen women label certain introverted men as creepy but I have also seen them label good looking introverts as "sexy and mysterious". So yes, I think alot of women subconsciously label guys they find unattractive as creepy. I don't think it's right or wrong, it's just the way it is. But the above behavior you described is indeed creepy, that is the type of behavior that would be considered creepy regardless of who was doing those things. But when you say someone just has a creepy vibe without any good reason you are probably just being irrational. I have never looked at someone and thought "they are creepy" without a good reason.[/B][/QUOTE]
I said he stared for long periods of time too. To me staring is creepy. I hate being stared at. That = creepy vibe in my opinion. And I feel the same way about anyone who does it. The only difference is if I find them attractive, I might feel flattered in addition to being creeped out lol.
Creepy BEHAVIOR aside, there is something called intuition. If I get a vibe from someone, I stay the he** away. I try to trust my intuition above all else.
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GoingDutch
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posted November 13, 2014 10:55 PM
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aquaguy91
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posted November 13, 2014 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by GoingDutch:
I get random guys at gas station, elevator, around the mall, hell knows what sun sign they are. But they would just give me comments like "you are beautiful", I find that little creepy though, I mean who in their right mind would said that to a girl who happen to just be a stranger.
So you think it's creepy if men compliment you and tell you that you are beautiful? I hate to break it to you but that's just the way men are... Men are going to flirt with women and check them out until the end of time. As for staring... Again you have to ask yourself if you would be creeped out if "anyone" was staring at you. And you know who stares alot? Babies! Do you get creeped out when babies stare at you? No. You probably think it's cute. So that alone proves that staring isn't inherently creepy. Everyone stares... You stare at people, I stare at people, everyone is guilty of it. People stare for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they stare because they find you attractive, unattractive, amusing, or they are just curious about you. Humans are visual creatures and we tend to focus on things/people that interest us.
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GoingDutch
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posted November 13, 2014 11:39 PM
You right, but I just can't find myself to stare at a stranger, even if he was smoking HOT, drop dead handsome, lol
And I certainly won't walk up to him and be like "your so handsome".Stare is fine, but they say things like, your beautiful, your pretty. It just strange, for a stranger to say to another stranger. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted November 13, 2014 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Again you have to ask yourself if you would be creeped out if "anyone" was staring at you. And you know who stares alot? Babies! Do you get creeped out when babies stare at you? No. You probably think it's cute. So that alone proves that staring isn't inherently creepy
You know, I don't mind it if a cat stares at me, but I'd be creeped out if a tiger did. Speaking of which...
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PixieJane
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posted November 14, 2014 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Ladies,
Not meaning to be confrontational but I don't buy the notion that some guys just inherently put out a "creepy vibe". The reason being is I have seen tons of guys who are legitimately creepy get women. Personally I think the word "creepy" is woman speak for "man who I don't find physically attractive". But I don't think women even consciously realize it. I have just seen to many women call a man/men "creepy" without any reason but turn right around and date or go to bed with men who are really a threat. But that's just my opinion based off of my personal experiences and observations.
But to be fair and share something else that once made me laugh:  Note, I don't think all women are like that...but I think at least a few do. In addition, I have seen women who completely trust the wrong guy and not the right one. Heck, I've even done it myself, trusting one guy because he looked like such a family man (he very well may have been, but it was still stupid of me to get in the car with him when I was 15) and had another guy come closer to me when I was 17 I'd have stabbed him and ran because he looked like a crazed biker to me when he was actually sweet and genuinely concerned about me. I did learn better, however. But not everyone does. IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
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posted November 14, 2014 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[]Originally posted by GoingDutch:
[b]I get random guys at gas station, elevator, around the mall, hell knows what sun sign they are. But they would just give me comments like "you are beautiful", I find that little creepy though, I mean who in their right mind would said that to a girl who happen to just be a stranger.
So you think it's creepy if men compliment you and tell you that you are beautiful? I hate to break it to you but that's just the way men are... Men are going to flirt with women and check them out until the end of time. As for staring... Again you have to ask yourself if you would be creeped out if "anyone" was staring at you. And you know who stares alot? Babies! Do you get creeped out when babies stare at you? No. You probably think it's cute. So that alone proves that staring isn't inherently creepy. Everyone stares... You stare at people, I stare at people, everyone is guilty of it. People stare for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they stare because they find you attractive, unattractive, amusing, or they are just curious about you. Humans are visual creatures and we tend to focus on things/people that interest us. [/B][/QUOTE]I've always hated being stared at. I'm not going to say I don't do it on accident, but when it's obviously intentional it feels bad to me. I do have a past that makes that more sensitive to me though, so I concede that it may not actually be as bad as it feels. And no I don't mind when babies do it. It's obviously adorable😄 IP: Logged |
GoingDutch
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posted November 14, 2014 12:13 AM
I agree with wheresthemoon.Even if the guy find you pretty, he stares at you, but a nice guy would look away if he see you caught him staring.
If a guy see you caught him staring and KEEPS ON staring at you, now that freaky. My Libra did that back then when we first meet. He stares at me, I caught him stares, so I look back at him, and he keep staring at me. I was like WTH, this guy is too Bold.
Is like we have a 'stare contest' to see who would look away first, and I always loose, because no way a girl like me would just keep staring at him, smh.
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Bluejay
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posted November 14, 2014 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
hard pluto aspects to moon or venus or maybe venus or moon in scorpio. Scorpio rising females too i have also noticed tend to get negative reactions from females. Strong aries/mars influence can also make one not get along so well with women.
I agree with this. I have a Scorpio Sun, Moon conjunct Pluto in the 8th house, and Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn in the 8th too. Mars also is sextile my ASC exactly. Most women are really put off by me when they first meet me, and give me dirty looks. They will look me up and down with their lip curled in a threatening way. I NEVER dress provocatively, which might explain those type of looks from women. I treat every person I meet with respect, no matter who it is, so usually people come around once they get to know me. I always feel like people expect me to be a stuck up B. The fact is in school I always stood up for kids being bullied, and I knew all the handicapped students. It bothered me that people were surprised that I was a kind hearted person. I think it's a combination of an intimidating vibe, and women being insecure and always seeing other women as competition. I don't have this problem with men. I get along with all ages of men, with very little effort. The only time there is a problem is when I encounter a man that believes in "traditional" female roles. Like back in the day when women weren't worthy of having an opinion. I am all about equality, so if a man has issues with an assertive woman, he has a big problem with me. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted November 14, 2014 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by Enneline:
that's the chart of my friend. I wouldn't say she's an unpopular person in general, she is well liked by men and older ladies but she is really hated by more than a few women (her age); I haven't seen that before; once a woman almost run over her. I really was like 
She really faces bitchiness & cattines pretty often.
Enneline, your friend must've been born a year after me because our charts have a lot of similar placements. My Venus is in Libra, Mars in Sagittarius, and Moon conjunct Pluto, but the other placements are the same. My experiences are similar in relating to women. I do tend to get along with older women, maybe it's my Venus conjunct Saturn. I work in a career that is dominated by women, so I constantly deal with catty behavior. I kill them with kindness, so if they still want to be a B, I take the high road, and that's on them. I do often feel left out, but it's like "Mean Girls" and I don't need to be accepted by them. It's sad how women can be such haters. My ex mother in law almost ran me over once  . She has Venus conjunct Pluto in Leo, square Mars in Scorpio(conjunct my Sun), opposite Jupiter in Taurus. She's also a Leo Sun. She is the Queen of catty behavior!!!
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Bluejay
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posted November 14, 2014 03:16 AM
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Bluejay
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posted November 14, 2014 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GoingDutch:
[b]I get random guys at gas station, elevator, around the mall, hell knows what sun sign they are. But they would just give me comments like "you are beautiful", I find that little creepy though, I mean who in their right mind would said that to a girl who happen to just be a stranger.
So you think it's creepy if men compliment you and tell you that you are beautiful? I hate to break it to you but that's just the way men are... Men are going to flirt with women and check them out until the end of time. As for staring... Again you have to ask yourself if you would be creeped out if "anyone" was staring at you. And you know who stares alot? Babies! Do you get creeped out when babies stare at you? No. You probably think it's cute. So that alone proves that staring isn't inherently creepy. Everyone stares... You stare at people, I stare at people, everyone is guilty of it. People stare for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they stare because they find you attractive, unattractive, amusing, or they are just curious about you. Humans are visual creatures and we tend to focus on things/people that interest us. [/B][/QUOTE]It's one thing to glance at a person, but staring is creepy. Creep factor has nothing to do with what a person looks like, it's a vibe that people give off. Women are inherently better at picking up on these types of vibes because we are more often the victims of violent crime. We have to be aware of what a man's intentions are, because it can be a matter of life or death. You don't hear about women kidnaping, raping or murdering men for sport, but it happens to women often. When a man stares at a woman, it can make her feel like a piece of meat in front of a hungry tiger. Like he's stalking his prey. It's creepy regardless of the attractiveness of the man, although if the woman is intrigued she might stare back. If a woman looks away and breaks eye contact, it's a sign she doesn't feel comfortable being stared at. This is basic body language.
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GoingDutch
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Belba
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posted November 14, 2014 05:26 AM
I've got all the "classic" "not getting along with women" aspects, badly aspected Moon - square Sun, Venus, conjunct Uranus and inconjunct Chiron, and yet I get marvellously along with them, they normally love me, and I love them back. I'll be working in sector which is normally women's domain and I'm looking forward to it
But maybe it's because I've got 11H Moon? Aquaguy91, I think you've got some serious issues with women. I mean, I don't know you and all, and I don't want to offend you, but there is a certain patronizing vibe you give off when writing about women, and I've noticed that in lots of threads. You over think it, in a bad way, and are looking for simplifying answers, theories. Like, "all women treat me like that, all women are like that.." I don't want to get into debates with you about that, just maybe an advice... stop taking things so black and white. And looking for some finite theories about women. We're just as different as you guys are. I didn't want to comment anything, but since this thread is already a little off topic, I figured why not. IP: Logged |
GoingDutch
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posted November 14, 2014 05:37 AM
no worries, aquaguy91, born in 91? maybe he is young guy, so his definition of 'creepy' is different from us women in the more 'mature' age group. i'm 30 btwaquaguy91 couldn't be that bad of a creeper, at least you don't wait outside your neighbor stairs to ask for her phone number right? lol now that creepy if u don't do that, then u not creepy, don't worry lol IP: Logged |
Dreaminess
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posted November 14, 2014 06:08 AM
I actually agree with Aquaguy and i am a female. I have seen several situations where women would say men they don`t find physically attractive "creepy" for no apparent reason really and men they would find physically attractive can do the same exact thing and then its "suddenly" so attractive haha.IP: Logged | |
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