posted January 09, 2015 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
Typically nothing. I think Venus opposite Pluto makes me pretty prideful when it comes to things like that. I don't want to be needy...I want to see them come grovelling back to me.

My body is a different story. I have moon in the sixth house so I tend to get sick with breakups. After one I just threw up. With another I became violently ill for days. I had the flu and it literally came over me 30 minutes after the breakup.

There was a time when I was extremely comfortable with the guy when I called him relentlessly for days. I knew he still wanted to be with me, and we did get back together...but I acted pretty pathetic there for awhile. I actually sent him sappy lyrics via text! Lol

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I would actually attribute the Venus(Love)-Pluto(obsessed) to the sickness you experience. Oppositions always call for balance,otherwise something will break.

The reason I say this is because I see love-sick a lot with my Libra Sun/Moon in Aries fiend.

The opposition has the effect of making him so in love at one point,but then he quickly gets "sick to death" with the person and wants out. Its always a foofie slide with him.

I wonder what position your Moon is in? When in the 6th,habits and patterns become a "sanctuary" and saving grace. Talk to me I am interested

posted January 09, 2015 01:40 PM            

so many things I wanted to say. But thank you for sharing

posted January 09, 2015 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I would actually attribute the Venus(Love)-Pluto(obsessed) to the sickness you experience. Oppositions always call for balance,otherwise something will break.

The reason I say this is because I see love-sick a lot with my Libra Sun/Moon in Aries fiend.

The opposition has the effect of making him so in love at one point,but then he quickly gets "sick to death" with the person and wants out. Its always a foofie slide with him.

I wonder what position your Moon is in? When in the 6th,habits and patterns become a "sanctuary" and saving grace. Talk to me I am interested

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Oh really? I always thought of moon in the sixth as the emotions being directly connected to a person's health and well being. Your interpretation is interesting!

I always feel more comforted by new experiences actually. When I'm heartbroken I like to be active...go places, do things, meet people...anything to take my mind off of reality.

posted January 09, 2015 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Barbiegirl19

so many things I wanted to say. But thank you for sharing

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If you'd like to address them please. I'd love to read what you have to say. I just didn't want all that I've said to be quoted as I may or may not delete it.

posted January 09, 2015 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
I always feel more comforted by new experiences actually. When I'm heartbroken I like to be active...go places, do things, meet people...anything to take my mind off of reality.

My moon is in 28 degrees Sagittarius.

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Excellent. this is what contributes to new health (6th)

You really need to go somewhere when on holiday.It does revitalize your body. So go somewhere every time the need rises- it'll benefit you greatly in the long-term.

Also note that depression to Sag is a DISEASE. It is to everyone, but to the enthusiastic Sag, Jupiter tends to exaggerate the heartache too. Making the optimism seriously damped.

Positive mantras and positive thinking can go a long way in alleviating much of the stress of negative thinking affecting your body.

Thoughts(Mercury) affect my body too(rules my 6th). But with Capricorn therein, the mantras don't work unfortunately.

What does seem to help is work,work,work. As soon as I am doing something productive or exerting energy towards an end goal- this helps a lot.

I may be crying whilst lifting weights .But Saturn in Cap says "look what a great body you will have when it is all over huh?

posted January 09, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Excellent. this is what contributes to new health (6th)

You really need to go somewhere when on holiday.It does revitalize your body. So go somewhere every time the need rises- it'll benefit you greatly in the long-term.

Also note that depression to Sag is a DISEASE. It is to everyone, but to the enthusiastic Sag, Jupiter tends to exaggerate the heartache too. Making the optimism seriously damped.

Positive mantras and positive thinking can go a long way in alleviating much of the stress of negative thinking affecting your body.

Thoughts(Mercury) affect my body too(rules my 6th). But with Capricorn therein, the mantras don't work unfortunately.

What does seem to help is work,work,work. As soon as I am doing something productive or exerting energy towards an end goal- this helps a lot.

I may be crying whilst lifting weights .But Saturn in Cap says "look what a great body you will have when it is all over huh?

I wonder if you feel sick in closed spaces or ones that don't allow freedom of movement? Maybe even a little light headed?

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All very true! When I'm not emotionally well, my whole body suffers for it.

I get lightheaded all the time. I have blood sugar issues though. I don't get car sick or anything...I don't feel particularly sick in tight spaces, but I HATE being touched when I don't feel well.

posted January 09, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
If you'd like to address them please. I'd love to read what you have to say. I just didn't want all that I've said to be quoted as I may or may not delete it.
Thanks for allowing me to share.

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I just wanted to say that the 12th house can inhibit much-especially when combined with such a potent placement as Saturn-Pluto square.

12th house position ask "what's the point? No one will hear me anyways!!" and thinks themselves invisible.

The added Saturn-Pluto square says "see. you are right. There is no point in making a fuss. Just don't make a spectacle of yourself".

The problem is that the energy has to go somewhere. And the added Moon-Mars square gets increasingly touchy about associating with others(I have this one too).So personal relationships increase with difficulty.

I would watch that Mars in Cancer.I wonder if you have stomach-related ailments or tensions? This could be repressed anger wanting out.

I often think of the 12th house placement as a child who may be feeling very much ignored- whether this may be actual or not.

Add the Saturn/Pluto energy and the girl comes from a powerful "well to do family". The family often says "stop being such an attention seeker" etc.

So her elevated status makes the disclosure of her internal pain "embarrassing" for the family. So she inhibits it.

But this inhibition does not serve her.Not in the long term. It just makes her believe that she is just not "important" enough to be noticed by the world.

The Moon/Mars square can throw awesome tempers.These feelings may be external i.e behaving like a "spoiled brat" or internal i.e long silent treatments and silent spells to those that have "wronged" you. Especially in long term relationships and friendships etc

Whatever the language,the seemingly extreme reaction is to echo this "acknowledge me. see how I feel" deep within etc to those around them.

The feelings of such a person are are still very much trapped in a sort of "infantile" phase and are as raw as if they happened yesterday(even if 20 years ago):Relative memory(Moon)is fresh(Mars).

posted January 09, 2015 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
I don't feel particularly sick in tight spaces, but I HATE being touched when I don't feel well.

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Lol. Another form of invasion of "personal space". Sagittarius has a thing about personal space.It is SO IMPORTANT!!!

I am a Sag Sun. I get you.

posted January 09, 2015 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Honestly for me it's stages. After all of the hidden crying and lamentations. I go through a purge of the from my life. Initally I may cyber stalk but once I can mentally rationalize why the relationship was toxic I start: Blocking all information about me getting to them through social media or google. Change my appearance, discard anything they ever gave me and/or I wore on dates.

Venus in 2nd and moon in gemini in 1st.
Venus opposite Uranus

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Change of appearance? Moon in mutable Gemini in 1st. Yes. That "out of sight. Out of mind" thing.

Venus(external view)opposite Uranus(change). Yes. Also filters in. Yes.

posted January 09, 2015 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Lol. Another form of invasion of "personal space". Sagittarius has a thing about personal space.It is SO IMPORTANT!!!

I am a Sag Sun. I get you.

My Libra mate- also Mars in Sag- also hates being touched when not well. "Just leave me alone"- he says

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posted January 09, 2015 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Abc333:
I have a lot of really nice natal aspects with Pluto, the only "difficult" aspect is probably Pluto opposite Jupiter and that doesn't really do much.

Destructive/ Self destructive tendencies don't always need to be present in the natal chart, it could present itself as a transit as well (ie - T Pluto opposite N Venus).

I will say that my Mars does square my Sun, that could be a contributing factor...

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I have Mars square sun too. It also squares mercury and mercury squares pluto. But no pluto mars aspect. Maybe squares in general create that tension that you feel the need to break out dramatically.

posted January 09, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Change of appearance? Moon in mutable Gemini in 1st. Yes. That "out of sight. Out of mind" thing.

Venus(external view)opposite Uranus(change). Yes. Also filters in. Yes.

I wonder if Pluto is also in the mix? This "purge" has something Pluto-like about it. It's as if you "rise from the ashes"- so to speak.

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posted January 09, 2015 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You could be at the mercy of your Moon. Doing things to respond to the dissatisfaction within.

I find that Cancer and Aquarius have a certain kind of "erratic" quality about them.
I actually thought that Uranus is exalted in Cancer. Hmmm

With Aquarius,there seems to be a "I am outside looking in" perspective. But with Cancer,the movie can be very personal indeed.

That is why so many Moon in Cancer guys I meet whine and complain so much. They are the movie, taking all of life in and not being able to propel their POV from what is going on around them.

Internally,you are a lot more peaceful than you may think. Its just that water moons can, more than most, respond most heavily to what they observe in the here and now.

That experince becomes the signature of their feeling and consumes them to a point where they are not sure who they are part from the feeling.

I feel you my Cancer moon mate. One love!!!

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Yeah. I have a history of acting out to alleviate the emotions that are stewing inside. Maybe having my sun in an implusive erratic sign makes me even more prone to just acting out.

Haha I think that is what my boyfrend would say about me that I whine and can't find perspective on a situation. He's an Aries moon and aqua venus and mars so his approach is pretty logical.
me: but this is how I feel and that's the only thing that's real for me right now.
him: well technically you should be so upset because all this is about something silly and unimportant.

posted January 09, 2015 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
I have mercury square pluto and a minor aspect of Venus sesquiquadrate Pluto nothing else.

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Do you have Gemini Ascending?

If so the square of Pluto with Mercury (Gemini ruler)explains the whole "rising from the ashes" thing I was talking about

posted January 09, 2015 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I know what you mean. I am pretty peaceful until something stirs me. But also I feel like life is so meaningless unless I'm some how emotionally stirred. And good emotions are harder to come by sometimes. When I'm not feeling something I just feel dead.

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That is why I said I feel that you are at the mercy of your emotions.Eventually the up/down motions do become a sort of "drug" and fix.

Moon in Cancer can also be the drama queen. most of it very self-created of course.

#sidenote: You are with an Aries moon? Yikes!! With Aquarius placements too? Wowza

posted January 09, 2015 04:00 PM            

but now i disappear and act like i don't care and it keeps them coming back all the time so now i get to play around with them. I'm in control now

posted January 09, 2015 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Do you have Gemini Ascending?

If so the square of Pluto with Mercury (Gemini ruler)explains the whole "rising from the ashes" thing I was talking about

But even without this. Pluto square Mercury wants a new perspective.At the very least, one that echoes the transition and growth that they have gone through.....

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posted January 09, 2015 04:17 PM            

A lot of what you said is very true.

I do have horrible stomach problems so added stress does me no good in that area.

posted January 09, 2015 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Before reading this response, read the other one I gave to your earlier post.

Is the "disappearing act" working for you?

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I feel like I do and don't understand your first response. Would you be able to re-explain? I'd just like to have a full grasp and understanding.

posted January 09, 2015 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sometimes in our efforts to alleviate pain, we aggravate it by causing pain to others(ironically).

Nothing done with malicious intent ever settles in without boomeranging and making the initiate feel even worse-not to mention guilty.

We can't measure the guilt of others, only our own. And it can eat us alive until we have no choice but to do the hardest thing and that being; forgiving ourselves.

Yes Mars in Libra/Neptune in Cap can make one do devious/ underhanded things behind the scenes or talk ill behind someones back.

Where are your Venus/Pluto positions?

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Yeah I am guilty of those wrong actions, but I'm not afraid to admit it anymore. After a period of introspection, it helped me realize it was an unsensible thing to do. I was mad and it was okay to be mad, but not ruin things for other people. I know that now and I intend to just keep living my own life than to waste my time spying on him.

posted January 10, 2015 11:26 AM            

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im a libra moon sextile mars with venus conjunct pluto scorpio so i plot to destroy their cars heheh but mainly i will just think of all the ways i can destroy their property for a couple of days and how much of a dramatic scene i can make it but then i start to think well if i do that then the break up is final and id also look like a complete psycho lol...so then i get sad and cry and don't actually follow thru with the plan and instead just ignore all calls from him and kill him with silence and coldness. i also pretend to act like he doesn't affect me. i start talking to other guys to mingle again but its hard cause people are the last thing i want to be around when i'm upset...i also got a job as a stripper. its probably not healthy but it helps me deal with all the abuse he put me through in some weird way. it feels powerful and its like my own little secret

but now i disappear and act like i don't care and it keeps them coming back all the time so now i get to play around with them. I'm in control now

i think venus/pluto people are attracted to/attract abuse

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I feel like you still want to be in "control". But perhaps you have long perceived that to be a "bad thing" ?

More specifically showing your dark side or being perceived as someone other than the calm exterior you project?

Moon/Pluto,Moon/Neptune can be a sucker for physical abuse too.I think the Moon aspects go to the "heart" of the matter and rearrange things from a comfort level. To a level that one does not always recognize of feel "at home" in.

I also wanted to add that even though they may "reject' you initially when they do come back to you, does it feel like you get your "power" back? I get that

posted January 10, 2015 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Abc333:
I feel like I do and don't understand your first response. Would you be able to re-explain? I'd just like to have a full grasp and understanding.

The disappearing thing works pretty well for me. It allows me time to heal more easily. The only person i get any sort of reminders of both through waking and sleeping life is the ex fiancé. I just brush them off when that happens, although there are pings of pain and sadness that briefly accompany them.

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If it works, walk on.

What I meant was that I used to do the whole "disappearing" thing too.Felt that distance from those experiences would help me forget or not get worked up.

But what i found was that whenever I disappeared, my feelings came with. Sometimes not coming up to the surface at all. I believed I was "over it".

But then when I see the person,the flood of emotions come in and are inconsolable.