posted January 16, 2015 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
It was University . University of Toronto: St. George Campus to be exact.

Basically, there are guys out there who have all the right stuff. They are good guys with amazing personalities, great looks, respectful, just wonderful people all around. However, in our fast paced world where you do have to take the initiative to "present" yourself, their shy demeanor leaves them un-noticed and that IMO is just sad because there are plenty of women out there who are looking for guys just like them but end up not noticing them.

Enter the teaser Lol! Think of it as being an informal salesman/matchmaker. You initiate a conversation with a female with the intention of introducing the shy fellow to her. If she is physically and mentally attracted to him and once she gets to know him better, she will probably take him out for a test drive; And after that... You let nature take its course Lol!

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posted January 17, 2015 05:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Choc:
[QUOTE]I can't recall an instance where I've seen a woman make the first move on a guy.

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posted January 17, 2015 07:05 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
To be fair I'm sure Aquaguy is talking about the straight up moves as opposed to flirting, hints, casual introductions (though plenty of women, just like men as Aquaguy, don't believe men and women can "just be friends" so in their view casual introductions would be "putting the moves" on), manipulation, and creating an opportunity for the man to exploit.

Though I've seen it happen I haven't seen that many women make the first move in the way Aquaguy is talking about (asking out on a date, etc)...and as for going after those confident in his own masculinity, I expect that means the one approaching him expects the man "to grow a pair" and take over soon. Certainly many posts on LL would justify such an assumption, as does what I've seen in women's magazines and also the romance genre. Granted, she can scheme to get him interested of course, and a lot of money is made selling women the means to do that (just as plenty of men pay to become more confident to ask a woman out rather than to be asked out, whether it's a training course or a sports car).

Or it's more like my mom who got a thrill from stealing a "taken" man to prove herself better than the other woman among other horrible reasons which aren't romantic and so I'm not counting that. I'm also not counting seduction for any purposes beyond romance (theft, spying, job promotion, money, etc).

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posted January 17, 2015 06:50 PM              

"I want to clarify that i'm not just talking about instances where there are sexual and/or romantic interest. My experience has been that women almost always embrace the passive role when it comes to any interactions they have with men. They expect men to come chat them up, call, e-mail etc. or they automatically assume the guy is not interested in interacting with them and write him off. That seems to be the mindset of most of the women i've encountered. Which isn't a bad thing or a good thing, it just is"

If you had flipped this statement I could agree. I mean I think it is the sexual/romantic relationships where most women need more encouragement, but casual interactions, or in the work environment? I would say women don't need men to take the lead. I can agree that most often in sexual/romantic interactions women expect men to take the lead, but not casual interactions...maybe I misunderstood you.

Again I think a lot of it depends on demographics. My family's back round is very conservative. Men make the moves, BUT my brother and his wife (30 something) are young professionals living in nyc. In their circle of friends, the unmarried women are lawyers, doctors, investment bankers, etc. They are go-getters at work and outside of work. When they want a man, they ask him out. Of course we all need to feel like our interest in someone is reciprocated, so the guy can't be a dead fish, but they're fine to ask a guy out, make him laugh to loosen him up...call him the next day, as long as he showed some interest. This kind of behavior used to be seen as desperate behavior. But they don't look desperate to me. They look self-assured and comfortable in their skin.

Maybe they're the exception to the rule when you compare them to worldwide trends...but I think things are changing fast.

But anyway, Whaaat, someone mentioned what I was thinking. It is interesting that men think you look stern, yet they still want to date you. It seems like you're attracting a certain type. Maybe they're masochists. I just think the combination of a man wanting to date a woman, but not approaching her because of how she is, not because of how he is, hints at fetish.

posted December 21, 2017 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by whaaat:

Not once have I been approached by any guy directly. All of them have also mentioned that I seem 'stern' and 'cruel'.

How they manage to gauge anything about my character and conclude that I'm 'stern' or whatever is a mystery to me.

What would make a woman seem intimidating to men?

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I have Aries-Moon+Mars, Sag ASC, Saturn conj ASC (Sun in 8th house)

I'm also scaring men away
They beat around the bush, or try to be around me time to time, then they do nothing XD they disappear
and funny thing is that when I see them around, I can tell they are interested, they don't even try

(my Aries placements actually hate it)

My ex-bf was a Sag with Taurus-Moon, Capricorn-Venus, Aquarius-Mars (that wasn't a good relationship though)

he tried to act like what I stated above, then probably noticed that I get annoyed, then approached me directly (and we knew each other for a while at that time)

there was another guy, Scorpio with Scorpio placements