posted January 19, 2015 12:28 PM            

I just started unwrapping my ascendant aspects. While I'm learning about myself I wouldn't mind learning about all the other combinations.

So it would be awesome if some of you could post your ascendant sign, and aspects from other signs/planets. What placement means most to you? What placement would you like insight on?

I'll start -

Ascendant in Taurus
6th Scorpio Pluto opposite Ascendant 2'12
6th Scorpio Mercury opposite Ascendant 5'04
7th Scorpio Sun opposite Ascendant 5'40
9th Capricorn Neptune trine Ascendant 6'49

Minors for those that use them -
8th Capricorn Saturn sesqui-quadrate Ascendant 0'00
8th Capricorn Moon sesqui-quadrate Ascendant 0'00
8th Sagittarius Uranus sesqui-quadrate Ascendant 1'07
12th Aries Mars semi-square Ascendant 1'22
6th Libra Venus inconjunct Ascendant 1'50

Very complex mix there. I'm really only interested in the Pluto opposition for now. Anyone have any experience on this one? Online descriptions seem rather bland and not fully thought out.

posted January 20, 2015 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Hey everyone,

I just started unwrapping my ascendant aspects. While I'm learning about myself I wouldn't mind learning about all the other combinations.

So it would be awesome if some of you could post your ascendant sign, and aspects from other signs/planets. What placement means most to you? What placement would you like insight on?

I'll start -

Ascendant in Taurus
6th Scorpio Pluto opposite Ascendant 2'12
6th Scorpio Mercury opposite Ascendant 5'04
7th Scorpio Sun opposite Ascendant 5'40
9th Capricorn Neptune trine Ascendant 6'49

Minors for those that use them -
8th Capricorn Saturn sesqui-quadrate Ascendant 0'00
8th Capricorn Moon sesqui-quadrate Ascendant 0'00
8th Sagittarius Uranus sesqui-quadrate Ascendant 1'07
12th Aries Mars semi-square Ascendant 1'22
6th Libra Venus inconjunct Ascendant 1'50

Very complex mix there. I'm really only interested in the Pluto opposition for now. Anyone have any experience on this one? Online descriptions seem rather bland and not fully thought out.

People usually either rightfully guess I'm a Scorpio or get tricked by my Ascendant and think I'm a Taurus. I think the Pluto opposition gives away my Scorpio Sun through my looks if they're a little more intuitive or learned astrology.

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I always seem to enjoy your chain of thoughts Koho.I don't know you personally, but you always come across strongly intellectual in your posts.

You strike me as someone not just concerned/satisfied with the "surface" explanations of things.You ask really relevant question and you dig deep.Wanting real-life application to theory.

So,it really shouldn't come as a surprise to me to see that Jupiter(the philosopher) is in your 1st with Mercury/Pluto sharing a house. And are maybe possibly conjunct? Since they both oppose the Asc?

Now I don't know what your observations and feelings are about understanding oppositions? But I always see them as our "shadow" self.

Much like the 12th house,I think the 7th house is also a "blind" spot.It only seems to come into fruition when we are in relationships with others.

And sometimes we go even as far as projecting the traits/qualities of our 7th house placements to our partners/people we are in close relations with.

So in your case,with Pluto and Mercury there,you are a person who asks questions. Questions you want "aha" moment answers to(Pluto).

But you expect those answers to come from others(7th).You want them to be deep(Pluto), eloquent(Mercury),self aware(Sun)etc. But so unaware of these qualities in you.

So each time you are attracted to someone or drawn to someone in particular(whether for friendship,love or kinship),pay attention to WHY you are.And you will see the Mercury-Pluto-Sun dynamic in 7th show itself up again and again.

It is because you are projecting these traits on to them i.e they seem deep(Pluto) ,clever(Mercury)or confident(Sun) etc.

Whether or not they really are is irrelevant What you are really doing, is dating yourself really Because YOU are all the qualities listed above and that is why the more able the people are to fulfill these qualities fully,the more "in common" you feel they have with you.And thus your "soul mate" etc.

But how readily would you be able to recognize them? Readily know them? If they weren't you? That's how I see planets in 7th.

The 7th house story is really the same 1st house story told backwards.That's why we fail to "see" it.

The "soul mate" that you are seeing is you. The "common" factor is YOU. The traits you like about the other are very much the traits that you fail/are blind to recognize in yourself.You project those traits too

posted January 20, 2015 07:46 PM            

I try to avoid developed threads because it's time consuming to get the narrative but when I do there are very specific people I'll stop the quick scrolling for because I've come to value their insight. You're one of those people I make sure to read.

And as usual I think your analysis is spot on in your response.

Practical application is essential to me. Astrology and other forms of self reflection methods are guiding tools. I seldom delve into the metaphysical questions though I've become increasingly more interested in karma due to an experience of a close friend that doesn't practice astrology but i ching and often runs off to yoga retreats. Even then my exploration of Karma is by way of my natal chart and improving my faults. The more esoteric methods of exploring karma, by which I mean regression and other somewhat mysterious methods escape me despite acknowledging them as at least interesting.

On occasion I'll think of astrology as a representation of the clockwork universe and I'm combining these two things with Schopenhauer's free will musings and that currently rules my beliefs and about as far as I go in exploring these type of things.

But practical application of astrology is at least 80% of my usage of it. Self improvement, timing job interviews with Venus transits, dating, and whatever else most would deem practical.

I agree this deep thinking comes from Jupiter in the 1st + Mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio at about 2'51. I wasn't aware how I came off in writing but it makes sense that this is how I come off because I think writing is representative of the mind of course.

In person, if we worked together, this wouldn't show as much until we became friends. I don't carry the quick wit of a Gemini or air Mercury, and my seriousness is heavily masked by my Taurus Ascendant and jovial nature from Jupiter in the 1st (Plus Venus in the 6th I suppose). I'm ok with that because if I didn't have the light hearted mask I'd be an overly serious Koho.

As for oppositions, in general, I don't have a very strong opinion about them yet. But I do understand the nature of having the Ascendant opposite so many personal planets. And you absolutely nailed it.

It really is like searching for yourself. Scorpio being on my DSC makes me fall crazy for people with Scorpio placements if everything else aligns. Almost always a Scorpio placement in there - usually Sun or Venus.

Usually the 7th house Sun is frowned upon, especially in Vedic. No one talks about the potential positives to it though. I think it is true that a person with a 7th house Sun could try to find their confidence/ego in another but I believe this potential is too heavily focused on by people.

I believe, because of my own growing into it, that a 7th house Sun can grow into a fantastic leader/diplomat. It's the house of the other. A 7th house Sun that grows into their own confidence will find that they know how to interact very effectively with people, in a very Libran way. And I believe that's a form of leadership.

So I guess, as I write this, in the negative, a Sun opposite Ascendant (the 7th house Sun) goes from *leaking* their vitality and confidence to the other (through the Ascendant/doorway) to *projecting* their vitality and confidence.

Though my Pluto and Merc are in the 6th (but conjunct the DSC) the same thing applies. A 7th Pluto could leak their power onto the other or they grow into that 7th house placement and learn to project it. Becoming an authority in their own right rather than attracting dominating people to them.

Mercury is even more interesting because like you said, a 7th house Mercury could either constantly seek validation of their intelligent ideas by the other. But I believe once they grow into it they instead project and bounce wonderful ideas to the world - like a high quality professor. Almost as if their intelligent nature is like a blind spot as you said only to be revealed brilliantly in exchange.

So I agree with you. I think it's fair to call 7th house placements a blind spot because they have to be grown into and nurtured due to that natural opposition. You're definitely right about 12th house similarities.

I think these potentials are often forgotten. And it's a shame because it can derail the reading of a 7th house person. I've had many people misread my personality through my natal chart due to the negative 7th house connotations.

Like one of the worst assumptions I've gotten made about me through my chart was that I had confidence issues due to the 7th house Sun or that I'm seeking a powerful partner to make me feel more confident. Well, only partially correct. I'm very attracted to strong, ambitious, and deep women. But I'm not looking to be babied. I've got my side handled at this point and I grew into my chart already. But it did take growing into (and still growing of course). So I'm really seeking that representative of Scorpio as a partner that can keep up with the kind of person I am/aim to be.

I would say the next question that follows this is once a 7th house person begins to grow into their opposition what is the highest point they can grow into in regards to the planet in that house? That's a very hard question to answer.

Thanks for replying to this thread. You gave me more to think about than I originally intended. Great lesson on the 7th house for myself. I was going to let the thread die since it seemed no one was interested in analyzing their Ascendant aspects.

Edit:
One last thing before I head to the gym. Very specific to Ascendant oppositions I'll say this.

With the Ascendant defined as the doorway to the other

The energy is either like this
A>>>>>>>>>>>>>Planets, where you are put upon
or
A<<<<<<<<<<<<Planets, where you grow into yourself and learn to project.

posted January 21, 2015 02:09 AM            

Well I think that if I was working with you,I would certainly appreciate and see Mercury/Pluto conjunct. As I usually look out for these traits in others I associate with(I also have Pluto in 7th).

I don't appreciate the so-called "quick wit" of Gemini and often see it more of a "smirk a minute" pleasure than outright amusement really.

Also sometimes the sarcasm of air mercury have can tend towards being cruel and making fun of things that are really very serious or require more emotional consideration and sensitivity i.e disabled people,sexuality issues,race issues etc.

So I will re-iterate that you DO exhibit the Mercury traits as far as I am concerned. Perhaps not in the Gemini "quick witted" way as you say ,but I do see more Virgo;your word usage,your points,your arguments,your chain of thought and the literal expression of it etc.

This is not someone writing only for amusement(Gemini),to teach or flex their intellectual muscle(Sagittarius/Jupiter), but writing to understand the differing complexities of a subject in very specific ways(Virgo).

And I am certain that you probably read through your post a couple of times to find grammar/punctuation errors This is Mercury at work really.More the Virgo expression.

Now with regards to the 7th house being the strong leadership house if the owner develops it? I would say that would be true.

But I must add that "leadership" in the strict sense of the word here,is not what is meant.

What I actually am saying is that the 7th house is about learning/more importantly recognizing the traits YOU have and are often so ready to assign to the ideal "other"(7th).

We are hardly ever drawn to something that doesn't reflect something in ourselves.Not ever.No exceptions.Because this would defy the law of attraction really.Making it very topsy-turvy and this is not likely to happen any time soon.

So a woman who is perhaps abused with Mars in 7th. Whether this may be emotional, physical or intellectual abuse(as Mars can also show a sharpness of tongue,abrasive language and someone who hits the soft spots everytime etc).This woman must recognize the role she played in the attraction.

She herself IS of very sharp intellect,maybe very ambitious and a "take charge" sort of person. This is what she is drawn to because that is what SHE IS.

But she has unknowingly assigned these traits to another.Perhaps deeming that the "other"(7th) as more able to express these traits "better" than she.Which can have mixed results really.

On the one hand,she could attract very outspoken men whom she has heated debates with and those that may even go towards strong sexual expressions to resolve etc.

Or it could manifest in less than pleasant ways of physical abuse(as said above)and the individual has those traits being forced out of her by having to fight back,stand up for herself, learn to be more assertive(Mars)etc.

But yes,if the individual recognizes and "owns" them. They can really become the leader in those areas in life,relationships and anywhere else really i.e

The woman with Mars in 7th once owning it, can become the person who drives the relationship and steers it towards its goals.

Or she could be the "life blood" of the company she works in; infusing much passion, energy and force in seeing that the starts she makes are effective and inspiring etc.

In these things,she is the leader etc.But with great gifts comes great responsibility and she must be careful of abusing her power and thus becoming the very manifestation of her less evolved self; nitpicking her partner,abusing her position at work,treating her partner with contempt, being a "lose cannon" on her co-workers/boss or employees etc.

I was very much this less evolved self with my previous relationship with a Taurus; swinging back between being loving,sweet and stable(Venus in 7th) to being volatile, touchy,moody and contentious(Mars in 6th arching to the 7th).

He had the good sense to leave me when I think I would have gotten worse.

posted January 21, 2015 03:28 AM            

The only aspects besides those are Neptune trine Asc, and Eris trine Asc.

posted January 21, 2015 04:06 PM            

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Very complex mix there. I'm really only interested in the Pluto opposition for now. Anyone have any experience on this one? Online descriptions seem rather bland and not fully thought out.

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Koho,

My experience testing and rectifying charts has shown me that most often the Asc of any given chart is enough off that it changes the aspects to the Asc when you correct it.

Having said that...

Pluto opposite Asc (or contra-parallel it) is an aspect that can show up early in life as power struggles with others, often involving either abuse or extreme limitations, depending on how other aspects come into play. Our parental relationships are our fist 'others' (7th/DC) and the patterns set there tend to continue in some form in later 1-to-1 relationships.

This is an aspect in which you either learn to have a profound/powerful effect upon others or they have it upon you. It challenges you to empowerment because the effect others have upon you, usually starting early in life.

When it is in its own sign of Scorpio (on DC) this does not necessarily take on the more dramatic effect. However, the profound effect of other individuals upon your life and the formation of your life orientation, personality, etc, is still there.

This is an aspect of strong 'push' that can mean some with this aspect tend to pushiness with others, a heavy hand. There is an all-or-nothing tendency in relation to others. Either your interest/passion is fully there or you are not interested at all.

Negative tendencies include pushiness, heavy handedness; overly power/passion oriented or total apathy. The difficulty can be in avoiding the loner syndrome for many people because they don't get to a place of empowerment within a social context, but pull back to preserve their own standing.

This is one of those aspects that depends a lot on what else is going on in the chart in terms of emphasis and aspects (especially with Moon), as well as how a person learns to cope with opposition. A life can get detoured completely if the person takes an "I'll show them" attitude regarding those who have constrained, opposed, or challenged the native.

Dealing with such resentments and grudges can be a major deal for some. Otherwise a person's orientation can become twisted into one of wanting dominance in nearly any situation. That's the more extreme dynamic playing out.

The challenge is to empowerment while fully appreciating others' empowerment and applauding it.

Physically this lends one to a strong constitution, the ability to build up the body intentionally or to drop weight. It also can mean the need to occasionally purge physically when sick, meaning the body tends to diarrhea when infected/toxic. With Pluto/Asc there seems to be tendency for little pockets of latent infection (virus) or slow building growths because of the body's ability to sock away such bothersome things and occasionally rally big time when threatened to purge them out.

posted January 21, 2015 04:39 PM            

My own Asc aspects (in a fully validated chart accurate to the minute of arc) are ironically colored by Chiron. Ironic since I eschew modern asteroid-happy astrology

Chart: http://kannonmcafee.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/kannon-validated-birth-chart.gif

- Asc [5N03] parallel Chiron [5N31]; this overrides the wide conjunction of Pluto 25VIR04 to my Asc 17VIR14. I do not have a strong, vigorous constitution and have dealt with various health issues all my life, but for the period of ages 7-14. However, I have learned natural health and how to recover quickly from even severe health issues so that I can stay functional. I rarely go to the MD or any other health professional. I am my own doctor.

- Asc 17VIR14 Quintile Neptune 0SAG09 = 72*55'(in 3rd). This is an aspect of intuition, I believe, more than any other single summary I can give.

- Asc trine Moon 12CAP08 (in 4th), orb 5*. Another help to intuition and tendency to be a homebody. Emotional balance and steadiness valued over drama or sensation.

- Asc trine Saturn 11TAU21 (in 8th), orb 6*. Patience. Don't mind waiting for things to play out and reveal what lies deeper than initial surface appearances.

- Asc trine Mercury 22TAU22 (in 9th), orb 5*. Natural writer. Tend to work things through with brains rather than jump in with brawn.

- Asc 17VIR14 as semi-square Jupiter 0SCO26 = 43*12'. This is the only challenging aspect to my Asc (aside from P Chiron) and it is minor. Expansiveness is not far-reaching in terms of big, sustained efforts. Rather, it has a short cycle. To be honest, I only see this as a kind of 'mini-square' and am not sure how to describe it, being so close to my own life and chart. Squares have an unrelenting, ongoing sustained effect. I think the semi-square (half square, 45*) either has a short cyclic effect or an ongoing constant effect similar to the square, but at a lower level (amplitude).

The aspect/Asc picture in my chart is one of steadiness, consistency and internal bodily workings rather than outward-directed/high levels of energy. I was just not born capable of great sustained efforts involving group dynamics, but of attention to particulars and small, well-focused projects; extracting valuable knowledge from experiences closer to home/self.

posted January 21, 2015 08:16 PM            

Funny you mention the Virgo bit. My south node is in Virgo.. talk about blind spots. It took a long time for me to acknowledge it and longer to really accept it. A user named Helios pointed it out to me and I thought 'hm, dunno why he would think that about me, whatever!'

But damn, it explains why Virgos Suns and Moons dominate my friendships. I believe my south node is nearly in the center of Virgo so I'm just taking in the vibes from all those Virgos like a butterfly catcher.

Perhaps it can be said that a persons south node shows up all over the chart holders personality as a bit of flavor?

As for a last word on the Gemini wit, I appreciate it and I don't. I don't like it because I often find it superficially intelligent but I appreciate the quickness of it. I'd love for it to be in my 'arsenal' of talents but I wouldn't give up my Scorpio Merc-Pluto for it. Great for comedians though.

I think I've heard you mention a Taurus Sun before but with issues in regards to Mars-Venus. Details are fuzzy but I remember thinking you were better off without the person from your description.

So, what about your Ascendant? What insight has it given you? It must be very important since you seem to have a lot of activity opposite it.

posted January 21, 2015 08:17 PM            

I'm very happy to have you join this thread. I'd like you to know your Ascendant descriptions have made my predictions on point. It allowed me to predict my new lady's Ascendant and understand why our attraction was particularly strong (My Mars loosely conjuncts her DSC but it is more of a sign conjunction, my Venus conjunct her ASC) Yours is my go-to place for these things. It's an oasis compared to what comes up in Google's searches for Ascendant information. I think I've linked your blog 5 times to people seeking Ascendant information on this forum. So thank you for that.

One thing on Taurus Ascendants - have you noticed a tendency for these people to have varying degrees of widows peak? More often than other signs I should say.

On rectification - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that my chart is accurate. The natal has done wonders to enlighten myself to my personality and path. And my transits have played out incredibly accurate as well. From the phases of the slow moving house transits to the quick moving energies of the inner planets. Past synastry conjunctions to my angles also let me know that these time sensitive points are accurate. The Sabian/Janduz symbols also seem of quality but in some scenarios it is a time will tell thing. I consider myself fortunate for this because I've seen people go through the troubles of rectification.

Considering how you described yourself you definitely have the talent that makes you good at rectifying charts and validating them. It must take an incredible amount of patience and discipline of energy to line up life events to a satisfying accuracy.

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Your description of Asc - Pluto opposition is very, very good. You point out things I believe most people wouldn't think of.

"The difficulty can be in avoiding the loner syndrome for many people because they don't get to a place of empowerment within a social context, but pull back to preserve their own standing."

Wonderful insight there. I lucked out big time in some ways. I was raised well so I did not suffer from overbearing family and I was also taught to stand my ground. And my pushiness is very well controlled. Perhaps due to the light Venus in Libra bit of me.

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Asteroids.. I share the same sentiments. I reject usage of asteroids but I do use Chiron because it is too popular to ignore. My mind isn't made up on how I feel toward it.

posted January 22, 2015 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Aries,

Funny you mention the Virgo bit. My south node is in Virgo.. talk about blind spots. It took a long time for me to acknowledge it and longer to really accept it. A user named Helios pointed it out to me and I thought 'hm, dunno why he would think that about me, whatever!'

But damn, it explains why Virgos Suns and Moons dominate my friendships. I believe my south node is nearly in the center of Virgo so I'm just taking in the vibes from all those Virgos like a butterfly catcher.

Perhaps it can be said that a persons south node shows up all over the chart holders personality as a bit of flavor?

As for a last word on the Gemini wit, I appreciate it and I don't. I don't like it because I often find it superficially intelligent but I appreciate the quickness of it. I'd love for it to be in my 'arsenal' of talents but I wouldn't give up my Scorpio Merc-Pluto for it. Great for comedians though.

I think I've heard you mention a Taurus Sun before but with issues in regards to Mars-Venus. Details are fuzzy but I remember thinking you were better off without the person from your description.

So, what about your Ascendant? What insight has it given you? It must be very important since you seem to have a lot of activity opposite it.

edit: Yes,I am editing my statements as you pointed out in the prior posts. :P

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I thought you were.

Planets in the 7th have given me insight into how I behave. This is where I get the most "aha. So that is what it is" moments.

The Taurus was good to me. We had Venus/Mars mutual aspects. A very nice bond.

But i think that in the end his Uranus in 7th kicked in and he wanted out.All of a sudden.

I still think it was because of my Mars/Pluto/Venus/Saturn populated 7th house.As well as trSaturn hitting my 7th at the time.

But he never really did say why it fell through-hence I suspect Uranus being involved.He just said that he didn't feel the "spark" anymore etc.

posted January 22, 2015 03:17 AM            

Semi-square Neptune
Conjunct Mars
Sextile Uranus

posted January 22, 2015 08:41 AM            

I am particularly intrigued by this subject, as I’ve never been able to grasp the meaning of the Ascendant and the aspects it makes. The whole “your looks, mask, how you present yourself” interpretation is just not enough for me, it’s actually quite superficial... I have come to realize the meaning of the chart ruler and it’s sign, though. Maybe that’s all that Ascendant is all about??

Honestly, any other cusp, house, makes more sense to me and can make of richer interpretations. It just seems that the general descriptions of first house are so one dimensional. Anyway, it might be just my personality and my chart, but I identify more with my Aqua rising than with Libra Sun, even though I have plenty of things going on in the 7H and nothing (well, except Antivertex and maybe some minor asteroids that I’d rather not dwell into) in my first house. But that might be due t the ASC and Sun being harmonious – same element?

Nevertheless, all the descriptions of ASC-Other planet aspects seem like Sun aspecting other planets, you could easily swap the word Ascendant with Sun. Sometimes it seems so simplifying... I mean the conjunctions to ASC are usually explained as the planet being the prevailing part in your personality, something you identify with a lot. But you are not necessarily like that, you just seem like that? I don’t know, it all seems so confusing.

But I love the more in depth descriptions of conjunctions to DESC and seven house planets you did in this thread, thank god for those. Because I do have Sun, Mercury, Venus (also Vertex and Ceres?) in 7H, it almost made me hate astrology because of the super simplified descriptions you find online. Projections, depending on others, Other, obsessive need for relationships, searching for that energies in a partner, not being able to outlive them by yourself... It made me annoyed.

7H is so much more. I am by all means a very self assured person, with a healthy dose of individualistic streak, never been afraid to stand out, express myself, I am maybe even more aware of the characteristics the planets in my 7H give me – it’s what I can easily grasp within myself. (But I also have a prominent 11H, so maybe my view is a bit biased) I think it has given me a lot of drive and capabilities of introspection, though they connect that with water houses, I would say 7H is just that – recognizing yourself for who you are, and hell, it might be with comparison to other people, but don’t we all do that?! I am very well aware of these qualities within myself – my Sun, Mercury and Venus qualities (it’s that bloody 12H Saturn or 4H Mars or the bunch in 11H that are more confusing and harder to grasp).

posted January 22, 2015 08:45 AM            

I think it’s the first time I have to disagree with you Aries23Degrees, well at least on this particular quote

“Much like the 12th house,I think the 7th house is also a "blind" spot.It only seems to come into fruition when we are in relationships with others.
And sometimes we go even as far as projecting the traits/qualities of our 7th house placements to our partners/people we are in close relations with.«

posted January 22, 2015 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Whether or not they really are is irrelevant What you are really doing, is dating yourself really Because YOU are all the qualities listed above and that is why the more able the people are to fulfill these qualities fully,the more "in common" you feel they have with you.And thus your "soul mate" etc.

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posted January 22, 2015 08:49 AM            

About the 7H Mercury and the validation, well, that rings a bit true... I used to get upset when people didn’t listen to what I thought were brilliant ideas (but that’s also Sag Moon conjunct Uranus), but that I think depends a lot on self-confidence. Once you’re self assured you don’t need approval anymore, at least not in that extent – then it makes for a brilliant teacher, agreed. 7th house is about sharing, spreading, wanting to teach, counsel. Nobody has mentioned yet, but I think it has a lot of potential for helping with astrology readings.

@Kannon McAfee I really liked your interpretation of Pluto conjunct Descendant!

Oh well, there are a lot of marvellous insights in this thread, and I think I’ve already rambled too much, so I’ll just say once again, thumbs up, especially Aries23Degrees and Koho.

Oh, and my aspects to Ascendant:

square Pluto/SunMoon Midpoint 1’
(a shadow part of my personality, for sure)

opposition Pallas 1’
(I haven’t got a clue about that, normally don’t consider asteroids, but this is tight, so I included it)

inconjunct Mercury 1’
(I normally ignore it, it just doesn’t seem important, nor do I know how to interpret it)

trine Mars 6’
(making also a trine to North node, so I guess that's making me a bit untypical 7th houser?)

posted January 22, 2015 10:18 AM            

Copy/pasting because I'm lazy. Leo Rising:

(1st H Leo) Jupiter conjunction Ascendant orb +1°11'
(1st H Leo) Mercury conjunction Ascendant orb +0°56'
(4th H Scorpio) Uranus square Ascendant orb +1°33'
(5th H Sag) Neptune trine Ascendant orb +2°49'
(11th H Gem) Mars sextile Ascendant orb +0°21'
(3rd H Libra) Pluto sextile Ascendant orb +1°09'

I love my rising sign. It is more than my outward presentation. It is who I am. It doesn't represent all of me, but it is me.

posted January 22, 2015 10:59 AM            

If you're interested in how I come across, I know I tend to seem serious, even a little intimidating at first sight. Online it can happen too (at least the intimidation part). And then they're surprised that I don't bite I was told that I look different in different pictures. Neptune magic?

posted January 22, 2015 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I have a Virgo Ascendant trine Uranus 2, Neptune 2 and Sun 6. Sesquisquare Saturn 0.

If you're interested in how I come across, I know I tend to seem serious, even a little intimidating at first sight. Online it can happen too (at least the intimidation part). And then they're surprised that I don't bite I was told that I look different in different pictures. Neptune magic?

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posted January 22, 2015 03:40 PM            

About widow's peaks... I don't pay that much attention to them relating to Asc signs/factors, but many people have brought them up. I mostly look at how high/low the hairline is. Maybe eventually I will have an answer for you on that, but for now I don't. Given that everyone's Asc is their own personal Aries point relating to the head/face, I would like to be able to include this factor in later versions of my Rising Sign Descriptions.

About Chiron... First the mythology on Chiron is quite clear. Chiron is comfort with the natural world and balance between animal/higher nature that allows one insights into natural arts (of all kinds), especially healing arts. It is also can mean teaching and/or working well with children.

Just keep in mind it is a minor storyline that not everyone will experience, but relates to talents to develop or previously developed in past lifetimes. I certainly have that as I was able to recall during a hypnosis session a past life in China in which I was a pretty effective folk herbalist. That is a Chiron theme. Secondly, the parallel aspect acts just as a conjunction, but can do so from houses far removes from the 1st/12th. Chiron is in the 7th in my chart, which urges me to be involved in helping others heal -- or at least remedy health conditions.

The strength of Chiron's parallel to my Asc might be partly due to the fact it is within about half a degree of exact. Not sure of the exact orb to use on these asteroids, but definitely less than for say luminaries. 1/2 degree is certainly within range of an effective aspect.

Parallels (P) and contra-parallels (CP) are Angular Aspects that have as much power as conjunctions and oppositions. Essentially they are the conjunctions and oppositions of declination.

posted January 23, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
I think it’s the first time I have to disagree with you Aries23Degrees, well at least on this particular quote

“Much like the 12th house,I think the 7th house is also a "blind" spot.It only seems to come into fruition when we are in relationships with others.
And sometimes we go even as far as projecting the traits/qualities of our 7th house placements to our partners/people we are in close relations with.«

I don’t think 7th house is a blind spot, not sure if I can make very convincing arguments either... It just doesn’t ring true to me, as I’ve written earlier. You say it comes into fruition when we are in relationships, you probably mean in close relationships? But aren’t we all through life in some kind of relationships, some closer than the others, but we are socializing beings, it’s what defines us, how we react in relationships, how we respond to other people, how we communicate. No one can tell me, that they’re a different person when they interact, or when they are alone. It’s the same person, with the same characteristics. My mum sometimes calls me a hypocrite, being so nice with acquaintances and being so hard on my family. But that’s just how I am, different relationships call for different responses, the intimacy changes dynamics, that’s natural for all people, not only 7H people! Does that mean I only express my SUN, MERCURY and VENUS in close relationships?? That is ridiculous. It’s such a big part of my personality, how can I not express it everywhere I go, even when I’m all by myself, painting, reading or I don’t know looking at myself in the mirror? I’m sorry, I’m a bit ****** , I’m ranting, but you would forgive me if you knew how many of really bad 7H descriptions I’ve read. All that you’ve written later makes a lot sense just this paragraph seemed to disturb me a bit

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I follow. Lets put this to the test.

What cusp is your 7th house and which planet is the closest to it? Either one arching from the 6th house or in the 7th?

posted January 24, 2015 05:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I follow. Lets put this to the test.

What cusp is your 7th house and which planet is the closest to it? Either one arching from the 6th house or in the 7th?

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Thanks for the understanding, also, I was a bit agitated the day I wrote that

My Descendant is at 17° Leo, the closest is Leo Jupiter in 6H, which is 9° away (if you don't count Pallas, conjunct by 1°, also in 6H).

the 7H planets are very far up, stretching from 15° Virgo to 3° Libra. Virgo intercepted.

posted January 24, 2015 07:36 AM            

I'm such a "messy" learner that I'm a bit all over the place. I hadn't even considered looking at the aspects to my ASC. So, again, threads like this help me focus on things to learn/study. Then I run off and read all about the topic. This is still all new to me as every day I'm confronted by more stuff I don't know!

'm never really sure I can "feel" all the aspects in my chart. There are of course some I feel more than others. Some that I KNOW are there. Though I think I understand and feel house placements and planet signs 10x more than aspects.

I think having Neptune conj Sun in the first makes it difficult for me to understand how others see me vs how I see myself. Sometimes people say to guess your ASC you should think how others would describe you. And that to me is a complete impossibility. I couldn't tell you!

That's not 100% true. I know that I can (or that I could) sometimes intimidate people and sometimes I come across as intense. Though much less so now that I'm older. The intensity have diminished but then also now since I don't have an immediate impact on people I'm less sure how I come across.

Aspects to Scorpio ASC

Venus conj ASC, 12H Scorpio (3)
Jupiter conj ASC, 1H Scorpio (8)
Saturn opp ASC, 7H Taurus (4)
Merc/Moon semi-sextile ASC, 2H Sag (0, 2)

I also don't quite get my oppositions. So thanks for the discussion on that! I don't relate very much to the generalizations that are written about them. I can be wishy washy and see both sides of things. But that must come also from the mutability of Sag, Sun/Nept conj and my useless(!) Libra Mars in 12th. Or is it all just confirmation of the same personal traits?

Next I'd like to learn how to deal with these aspects/traits that I don't like so much/find challenging. But I always need concrete solutions. It's just that I don't think there are any.