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peony
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posted February 04, 2015 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Why would a Saturn influence BDSM or Taboo? Saturn just sucks the life force out of everything lol.

Actually, I think Mars-Saturn, particularly the hard aspects, is more accurate.

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posted February 04, 2015 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koniucha:
I will say Mars in Virgo can be quite freaky.

In Virgo? Is Uranus or Pluto aspecting Mars? That sounds more like it. Any planets in the 8H?

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posted February 04, 2015 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for unforgiven_soul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilting:

Oh I didn't know spanking wasn't traditionally BDSM. I'll admit I like bondage and being submissive although I think being submissive has to do with mars falling in the 12th and the placement of my moon.

Lilting why do you think Mars in the 12th house is submissive? I 'm really interested on this one since my new bf has Mars conjunct Pluto in the 12th in Scorpio... Haven't seen a submissive behavior so far. He likes to lead.

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posted February 04, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koniucha:
My Mars is in Sag and in the 12th house. I am submissive.

I would love to know how to release stress and deal with the anger thing. I will hold it in and then explode


I was told that yoga helps a lot, but I can't say this too confidently, given that there is no personal experience or evidence/consensus to it

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posted February 04, 2015 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilting:
12th house leo mars with venus trine mars & pluto square mars.

And if it means anything it makes minor aspects to the moon, neptune and uranus.


My girlfriend has almost same thing except no venus aspect to Mars :O

Do you also have North Node in 2nd House?
or... Could you by any chance post your natal chart? Please excuse my curiosity

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posted February 04, 2015 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I was told that yoga helps a lot, but I can't say this too confidently, given that there is no personal experience or evidence/consensus to it

I've done yoga. No physical activity has helped me personally. Not even breathing exercises.
Only music and escaping into my mind.

Now, since I've replied. I suppose I better contribute though it won't be much of anything.
I'll simply say that I have mercury, Venus, mars in 12th - Virgo. Mercury in the middle conjunct both.
Being in the 12th. I don't speak of my sexuality.

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mareaire
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posted February 04, 2015 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mareaire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have experimented with bdsm. i actually got quite into it at 19 thru my early twenties. i was in the SF scene, even took courses and whatnot. having said that, i can totally enjoy vanilla sex and relations, just has to be the right chemistry!

i don't like violence or anger. but i do like pain. carefully, artistically and knowledgeably applied, and only on the receiving end for me. i like to be submissive in role play. but it is just that, play. nothing more and it doesn't go outside the bedroom. i also love bondage. i fantasize about it a lot.

i think the heavy gemini/sag axis in my chart enables me to be open to new ideas, exploring and experimenting.
with my sun, merc and chiron on in the 12th, i'm very attracted to the deep and dark psychological aspects of bdsm. perhaps with chiron in particular, i feel like i've had some very healing experiences with bdsm.

i also have venus square pluto, one of the aforementioned aspects.

thinking that lilith trine mars may also play a role in my love for the artistry and how feminine i can feel while participating in certain play.

but mostly, it lies in the synastry for me. some people i just wanna go there with. others, no way! with one person it was very sexual and romantic, we went many places together. while other experiences have been more cerebral, in a sense, or at least my heart was not all tangled up in it. an example was joining in the play of one couple who pierced me with hooks from which i hung. the intensity, i love it, pushing myself to those limits. no sex was involved.

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posted February 04, 2015 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
My girlfriend has almost same thing except no venus aspect to Mars :O

Do you also have North Node in 2nd House?
or... Could you by any chance post your natal chart? Please excuse my curiosity


Lol I don't mind. Let me know what's up I'm curious about what you're thinking.

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posted February 04, 2015 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
Lilting why do you think Mars in the 12th house is submissive? I 'm really interested on this one since my new bf has Mars conjunct Pluto in the 12th in Scorpio... Haven't seen a submissive behavior so far. He likes to lead.

I don't think it makes me a submissive person necessarily, but as far as preference in the boudoir I think it might have something to do with it. I like to be impressed by a lover as if they're working for my submissiveness lol As far as leading I wouldn't describe myself as a leader, but I've heard more than once that there's a line people feel they won't cross with me? I'm more intense than aggressive and I seeth rather than explode with anger.

Edit: I do have a pisces moon though so I believe that might highlight the submissive tendencies.

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posted February 04, 2015 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dominant and submissive tendencies are created more through upbringing and media than by astrology.

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posted February 04, 2015 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I did grow up in a home where my father was slow to anger, but easy to draw into aggressive behavior. My mother was pretty passive though. Idk how influential astrology was or how much of this was already in my nature.

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posted February 04, 2015 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's much more than the parents, it's also the culture and the media (reading and viewing) material. I'm just not in the mood to elaborate on it right now, but maybe later.

I will say right now that I'm no longer surprised that 90% plus of women in BDSM are submissives while nearly 75% of men are dominant...as long as they're straight. Once outside of heterosexuality the numbers change to about 50% for both genders in BDSM and I know why (it's not biological).

Though interesting enough a gay male dom I knew shared how straight women wanted to be his slaves 24/7, and they did understand that there would be no sex, he'd essentially be their strict daddy. But on reflection, even that doesn't surprise me anymore (and has to do with why most women would rather be called "girls" and "princesses" rather than "women" and "queens").

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posted February 04, 2015 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow lol I hope you do end up elaborating it sounds like something I'd find interesting. I'm probably a statistic sans the fact I don't like the whole 'daddy's little girl' thing. If I have daddy issues I went the opposite way.

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posted February 04, 2015 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@lilting
Happy belated birthday btw!

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posted February 04, 2015 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! Did you find what you were looking for in my chart?

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posted February 05, 2015 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aurora_girl1990     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm submissive by nature(only in the bedroom mind you-anyone trying to control me outside of the bedroom is in for trouble) and well i have the venus/pluto square natally.

And in the synastry i have with a friend of mine with whom i am submissive with albiet online,we have the nessus square dejanira orb 1.I feel this might contribute to it.The energy brought up by nessus square dejanira was channelled into bdsm.

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posted February 05, 2015 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peony:
In Virgo? Is Uranus or Pluto aspecting Mars? That sounds more like it. Any planets in the 8H?


Mars square Uranus. No planets in the 8th.

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posted February 05, 2015 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of my partners attracted me because they looked masculine, riggid and dominant. I like strong men to throw me around (Pisces rising).
Each one of them later begged me to dominate them, and i hate that sh*t. Ugh.
Guess my senseless Mars/Saturn exact square shows up to them.

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posted February 05, 2015 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peony:
In Virgo? Is Uranus or Pluto aspecting Mars? That sounds more like it. Any planets in the 8H?


He has mars square Uranus. No planets in the 8th.

However, his mars, Venus, and Eros are in my 8th house.

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posted February 05, 2015 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilting:
Thank you! Did you find what you were looking for in my chart?

Yes, so many familiar placements!!

Virgo chiron in first house

Neptune Uranus in 5th house

Saturn in 7th house I hate and love this placement

As for submissiveness, I came to the assumption that it's Mars trine neptune or Uranus that does it

Btw, do you relate to North node in 3rd house more? or 2nd house more?

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posted February 05, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Most of my partners attracted me because they looked masculine, riggid and dominant. I like strong men to throw me around (Pisces rising).
Each one of them later begged me to dominate them, and i hate that sh*t. Ugh.
Guess my senseless Mars/Saturn exact square shows up to them.

Generally speaking those who look the part rarely act it because they never had to and may even work to fight their image (this is especially the case when a guy is especially big who can also be very gentle--they don't HAVE to act up to get what they want, most people do it just to stay on their good side) and like it when they can just relax without people (including women) acting somewhat intimidated. It's the ones who don't look the part who are more likely to act it because they have to (and some can become secure in that rather than hyperdefensive).

Men generally don't go out of their way to advertise themselves via appearances to the same length women do.

I'm not sure how often it's true (some say it's a silly stereotype though a stereotype some in the BDSM subculture say is true often enough) is that big and powerful men tend to prefer the giving up of power, perhaps because they get sick of being the one looked up to all the time which can be tiring (and also because it's exotic for them whereas other men not so big and powerful are sick of being without it and thus perhaps seeks a more dominant role).

The conditioning that men and women tend to get on how women are to be treated also tends to be different and big men can appreciate a woman not scared of him as well as not feeling so self-conscious as if she was obviously submissive so that others might see him as a bully who has to frighten a woman into submission rather than charm her (and perhaps even feeling bad if she was submissive as he's wondering if he's unintentionally scaring her which would make some feel terrible). A woman obviously not scared (as in taking a dominant role) could make a big man like that feel a lot better in more ways than one.

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posted February 05, 2015 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@venusincap89 Aw saturn in the seventh isn't so bad. What bothers you? I definitely relate to the description of a third house north node more:

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...With this position, we easily crack under imagined pressures, and we are too often in a hurry for fear that our freedom will be curtailed if we stop long enough to gather facts and consider the details of everyday life...


@pixiejane Do you believe the reverse could be true? Meaning a woman used to being the aggressor would like to be dominated in bed? I don't really consider myself an aggressive person, but I consistently find myself overwhelming men for one reason or another. I was wondering if you thought it could have anything to do with my preferences?

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posted February 05, 2015 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mars in the twelfth and I like the submissive role too. Because of this I thought I would like BDSM and purchased some handcuffs. Not two minutes after the fact I started yelling, hyperventilating and demanding to be freed hahaha. I like submission but I can't do BDSM.

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posted February 05, 2015 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilting     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Lmao

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posted February 05, 2015 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@venusincap89 Aw saturn in the seventh isn't so bad. What bothers you?

No, it's actually really good. Come to think of it, I'd rather have saturn to be in 7th than anywhere else xD well I lied, actually 11th house. Other than that, yes 7th!!
But i do think, saturn in 7th people really gotta be careful with who they date. Gotta choose really spiritual and mature partner. And also, they gotta realize that they must work on their craft of the romantic or business partnership, sooner the better

I really love how Saturn in 7th house people take relationships seriously and don't give up on their partners! It is really rough out there these days in the dating zone!!

But, in my case, I am dating a saturn in 7th house person, who never had a relationship before me aha xD
so lack of efforts to relate to the romantic partner and business partners, can be a little frustrating at times, but I really love the stability

(obviously all these depends, but this is what I observed from pisces saturn in 7th house trine moon person, who is in her first relationship so far xD)

p.s I also love your mercury conjunct sun! only 2 degrees apart!

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