posted February 09, 2015 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Find somebody who feels the same way and have real life conversations with them, it helps when you can exchange these kind of feelings with someone face to face.

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I agree! I just don't know anyone in real life with 12H Saturn...that's okay, even having this online outlet for discussion feels tremendously helpful.

Just lately I am becoming aware of the extent of my guilt complex, and how so much of it is unnecessary...

How, if I just consider myself a regular person, full of mistakes and the messiness that comes along with life, nothing looks so terrible anymore...and just that little bit of breathing space between my awareness and my Saturn, it feels so hopeful and healing.

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Originally posted by Belba:
And try to keep a journal of your dreams, contemplate on them in the mornings, it's a kind of therapy.

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Good idea. They usually evaporate so fast after I awaken.

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Originally posted by Belba:
I'm becoming more and more sensitive, it's ridiculous, I can't watch documentaries, dramas etc. with other people because their insensitivity really hurts me.

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Ditto to all of that..including the *hug.*

posted February 09, 2015 04:46 PM            

Letting Go of Fear

I think there is an important distinction between Pisces Saturn and 12H Saturn, and I don't relate to all of this, but she has some good points.

Around 4:30: She talks about people with this placement having to raise themselves. *raises hand.* Yes.

Then she goes on to talk about how the universe throws so much crap on Pisces/12H Saturn ("the trashcan of the zodiac" she calls it), because it wants this Saturn to become brave.

"Saturn is telling you, that you cannot be scared anymore...$hit happens, and life's an adventure."

Reminds me of a quote I saw recently:

"There are only two kinds of people. Those who are living, and those who are afraid."

posted February 09, 2015 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm curious Aquaguy, have you focused on your dreams or subconscious?

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posted February 09, 2015 10:49 PM            

I have a 12th house Sun in Cancer. It's not the same thing as Saturn, but service is my calling as well. When people think charity they think soup kitchens, etc. I would think broader than soup kitchens and the like, unless that's where you really want to be.

This was just mentioned on another thread, but studying your NN can help you to determine in what way you should serve.

My NN in Virgo wants me to get organized, take care of myself, and establish more practical ways of taking care of others. My 2nd house Virgo NN conjunct Saturn tells me that by taking care of myself (weird concept), and organizing my life I will create an environment where I can most effectively help people that come into my life. I already have the necessary gifts to nurture, build up, and inspire, but my lack of organization and tendency to overlook my own needs gets in the way of effectively sharing my gifts. My NN tells me that I should focus on earning and discipline with money. My fantasies distract me with ideas of living the life of a hermit or mystic (maybe a naughty and mischievous mystic, but a mystic), or evolving into a cross between Mother Hubard and Mother Theresa. I think of healing on a spiritual level. All this is my Pisces SN I think.

posted February 09, 2015 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Wow! What sign?

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posted February 10, 2015 12:41 AM            

http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/South%20Node%20in%206th%20or%20Vir go

Is your North Node in the 12th house? Then it has an undertone of Pisces, and your South Node automatically falls into the 6th house, which has a Virgo undertone. Add the description of the sign of your North Node to this house position to deepen your understanding of your Nodal axis...and, you can deepen your understanding of North Node in Pisces, no matter what house it falls in your chart.

With a North Node in the 12th house we are deep in the “house that Carl Jung built.” This is the area of the deep psyche, the unconscious, and with a North Node here we are wise to explore beneath the surface of life to the unconscious subtle realms of the heart as expressed in music, art, poetry and painting. We are called to “the monastery” here in the sense that it is a non-verbal, solitary, spiritual call towards Self awareness. The 12th house has sometimes been called the house of troubles, because it can’t be dealt with logically and pragmatically, and to do so doesn’t benefit the person with a North Node in this house. However, the key to this house placement is that there is no longer any need for troubles, duties, obligations, humility and service! All those are embodied in the opposite 6th house. As a 12th house North Node person you have earned the right to take the deep pleasures of the unconscious: gifts of magic, insight and deep peace.

The karmic pull of your past with the South Node in the 6th house will be one that tries to pull you back to be of help to others, with an emphasis on the skillful use of the mind and duty, rather than the promptings of the heart. The default tendency here will be about thinking rather than feeling, working rather than playing, honoring logic more than intuition. The North Node goal is a move away from the particular and detailed attention that the 6th house requires, to the spiritual meaning-making, and only partially “conscious” quality of the 12th house. This evolutionary pull towards the 12th house, which is ruled by Pisces, will be to balance and correct that tendency with a more imaginative and universal type of thinking in which the goal is to create more compassion in our lives by simply loving ourselves and others more. We’ve earned a degree of rest and release from duty.

This placement is sometimes, paradoxically, not an easy one because it’s not easily accessible by rational thought and direct approaches. It almost sneeks up on us, like pleasure does sometimes. So we approach 12th house activities with our hearts, with the arts, with feelings, and obliquely through dreams and divination. There are often issues around trust and faith, when Neptunian confusion fogs the clarity that can be attained with this placement. True enlightenment and clarity are real possibilities for people with the North Node in the 12th, however “getting it” for you may often be as simple as just softening and accepting into the process of living and loving.

posted February 10, 2015 11:46 AM            

I was thinking of how...

Saturn = structure, the physical world
Neptune (12H) = the dissolution of structure, imagination

With that in mind, it makes perfect sense that Joni Mitchell...who has 12H Saturn...wrote this song:

Both Sides Now

posted February 10, 2015 11:54 AM            

Close Your Eyes

posted February 10, 2015 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hey venus2tinkerbell...thanks for keeping the home fires burning in my thread while I was gone. Gemini Mars tag team.

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That's exactly what I was thinking, at 2am in the morning, Faith. While you sleep I'm keeping the fires burning- LOL

I'll check back in, way later, to read and think about what you've got here. Have a great day!

posted February 10, 2015 01:06 PM            

Also, remember that the 12th House has nothing to do with us. The suffering and pain of planets here are not our own, which is, in the end, what the OP was talking about. But, find practical ways to express or correct the suffering of the world. I do this through art, which is a perfect 12th House outlet. I feel this responsibility to express other people's suffering through my creative work. But, then, let go of it because it's not my pain. I can empathize with it deeply but also recognize the limitations (Saturn) between my experience and someone else's.

Saturn can actually be a grounding force for the 12th House because it can give the person a duty to empathize with other people while also drawing a firm line in the sand between other people's problems and their own.

posted February 10, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Well I was thinking about this...a complicating factor for me is the way Saturn aspects most of my chart...like an octopus stationed at the highest point, reaching its tentacles down to interfere with the business of almost every other planet.

And my 8H Pisces moon rules my 12H...I wonder if that means, it absorbs all the baggage that gets trapped in there.

A very real issue for me is, failure to articulate. Saturn opposes Mercury. And my early training in life was very "Suck it up and deal with it...never complain."

Anyway..

posted February 10, 2015 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I dated a guy who not only had Saturn in his 12th house, but his Saturn was also retrograde!

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So is mine...