posted February 10, 2015 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
That's exactly what I was thinking, at 2am in the morning, Faith. While you sleep I'm keeping the fires burning- LOL

I'll check back in, way later, to read and think about what you've got here. Have a great day!

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Well thank you. And will you please stop trying to leave? It's hopeless.

*takes your towel and throws it in for you*

posted February 10, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Great input ~ thanks!

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Well I was thinking about this...a complicating factor for me is the way Saturn aspects most of my chart...like an octopus stationed at the highest point, reaching its tentacles down to interfere with the business of almost every other planet.

And my 8H Pisces moon rules my 12H...I wonder if that means, it absorbs all the baggage that gets trapped in there.

A very real issue for me is, failure to articulate. Saturn opposes Mercury. And my early training in life was very "Suck it up and deal with it...never complain."

This was deeply instilled in me (my mother's Ceres-Pluto right on my Saturn, and my draconic moon).

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So anyway, most of the things that bother me and have dramatically shaped my life, I just don't even have the psychological skill or backbone to discuss.

One of these days I'll get to therapy.

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Thanks! I also have quite a few Saturn aspects, as well, to my inner planets. Sextile Moon, exactly, trine Mercury and Mars. It's also my chart ruler. But, that just gives me a greater opportunity to express the positive side of Saturn and it can do the same for you!

I'm sorry about your mother. That must have been tough and is also very indicative of your 8th House Moon. I do think that 12th House Saturn people have the potential to deal with their problems in a very isolated way, potentially feeling restricted by the feeling that no one will understand. But, when you take the time to realize that your problems are universal, not just specific to you, it becomes much easier to break down those walls and deal with the world in a much more connected way.

The downfall of a 12th House person is to feel so misunderstood and become so secretive and/or shut-down as a result. Because, as I said before, the purpose of this house is to figure out how planets here fit into the bigger tapestry of humankind and the world. So, your pain opens you up to totally understanding other human beings and can also be something that frees you, in the end, because you can realize that the pain you feel is not a "curse" and is, instead, just part of being human. The "self-undoing" of the 12th can just be getting rid of the little, ego-driven Self to become a much more universal, empathic Self. This can help you to feel freer and happier.

I hope that helps.

posted February 10, 2015 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Thanks! I also have quite a few Saturn aspects, as well, to my inner planets. Sextile Moon, exactly, trine Mercury and Mars. It's also my chart ruler. But, that just gives me a greater opportunity to express the positive side of Saturn and it can do the same for you!

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From what I see, you have positive aspects. That's a bit easier, grant me this? I have a lot of negative aspects.

My sun (chart ruler) is quindecile to, and in mutual reception with, Saturn. (Cap sun/Leo ASC & Saturn.)

And as I said, most of the other planets aspect Saturn.

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I do think that 12th House Saturn people have the potential to deal with their problems in a very isolated way, potentially feeling restricted by the feeling that no one will understand.

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Yes. And actually, because I take responsibility for most of the things that bother me, it's a guilt issue. "Why did you let this happen?" is all that ricochets through my brain. I don't want to talk to people about it, because they might just reinforce the script in my head: "Why did you let that happen? Why did you make such an idiotic choice?" Seriously, I have enough guilt.

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
But, when you take the time to realize that your problems are universal, not just specific to you, it becomes much easier to break down those walls and deal with the world in a much more connected way.

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Right.

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
The downfall of a 12th House person is to feel so misunderstood and become so secretive and/or shut-down as a result.

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Exactly.

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
So, your pain opens you up to totally understanding other human beings and can also be something that frees you, in the end, because you can realize that the pain you feel is not a "curse" and is, instead, just part of being human. The "self-undoing" of the 12th can just be getting rid of the little, ego-driven Self to become a much more universal, empathic Self. This can help you to feel freer and happier.

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Yup. It's just....

Before I get to that point, I have some falling apart to do...to build something new in its place.

Thanks for the chat, this was helpful, to explore the issue.