posted February 23, 2015 07:43 AM            

At first, not looking at degrees and also using a site other than Astro.com, I thought my Mercury and Jupiter which are conjunct my Asc were in my first house in Leo.

I have discovered they are actually 12th house planets, and I really love this. The interpretations fit me. I try to hide it, but maybe not so well since these planets are conjunct my Asc.

What I am wondering is if the 12th house interpretation would be watered down at all since the planets are conjunct the 1st house cusp. Is there a conflict between 1st and 12th house placements/interpretations?

posted February 23, 2015 08:02 AM            

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posted February 23, 2015 08:14 AM            

Because to me 1st house seems to describe "how", while 12th house seems to describe "what"...

My first house ruler is in 12, Cancer.

posted February 23, 2015 01:00 PM            

I think you can ONLY count on it behaving as a first house planet if it's within one degree, 2 max.
Otherwise, it's a 12th house planet. The difference being this.
If it's conjunct, it's able to be seen by the outside world. They can sense it, and know that it's there. The energy is felt by others, but it's subtle and perhaps a bit foggy. It's not in your face as a first house planet would be.

posted February 23, 2015 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I have Venus in 12th House conjunct my AC. I've definitely experienced a lot of the (negative) 12H Venus themes in my life, and identify a lot with other people's experiences with their 12H Venus (for example, there's a great thread about it on this forum by peony).

So I'm not sure it's as black-and-white as "it has this House's or that House's energy". It should be a combination or interplay between both. From my personal experience, my 12H Venus events were lessons which sent me on the right path and aligned me with my life's purpose, or at least with my higher self. Since the 12H is the House of the unconscious, these placements might show some subconscious patterns we still need to deal with in order to unlock the AC conjunction or 1H energy? Just guessing Pluto's prominent in my chart too, and I've been all about the subconscious lately.

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thanks so much SaturnFan! I also relate to the 12th house descriptions of Jupiter and Mercury. The 1st house descriptions work for me too. I'm starting to think that what it might mean is that the conjunction to the Asc is a vehicle for me to express the 12th house placements...

posted February 23, 2015 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I'm not the expert and I'm not proclaiming outright that I'm correct. But I have done quite a bit of studying on this as my Mars is conjunct from the 12th.

I think you can ONLY count on it behaving as a first house planet if it's within one degree, 2 max.
Otherwise, it's a 12th house planet. The difference being this.
If it's conjunct, it's able to be seen by the outside world. They can sense it, and know that it's there. The energy is felt by others, but it's subtle and perhaps a bit foggy. It's not in your face as a first house planet would be.

My 2 cents.

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hey there Deepfreeze! I appreciate your 2 cents. It is actually 2 degrees, with Mercury a little closer to the Asc. I'm sure my Mercury is apparent, but what about it is apparent? When I think about this for a while, I think I actually can choose between my 1st house Leo expression and my 12th house Leo expression....but the 12th house having more depth to it could use some developing or refinement.

posted February 23, 2015 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
hey there Deepfreeze! I appreciate your 2 cents. It is actually 2 degrees, with Mercury a little closer to the Asc. I'm sure my Mercury is apparent, but what about it is apparent? When I think about this for a while, I think I actually can choose between my 1st house Leo expression and my 12th house Leo expression....but the 12th house having more depth to it could use some developing or refinement.

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I'm not really sure tbh.
If I had to guess, people may misunderstand what you're saying. The lines they read between may be WAY off, whether or not you know this is another matter.
Also, they may see you as a thinker, but really have no idea what you're thinking or even see you as a "space cadet". LOL A daydreamer.
Which sounds a bit like 12th Mercury, which I have. But with it so close, it may not be as pronounced or troublesome.

posted February 23, 2015 01:58 PM            

Sooooo tell me DeepFreeze, what do you think about my communication? Am I hard to understand? Am I a space cadet? Lol. Be honest! and detailed please

but really, if you are honest, you'll be helping me. Thanks!

posted February 23, 2015 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I actually think these 12th house placements are awesome, including my Sun, about which there is no doubt she's a 12th houser

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It depends. My Venus... I'm on the fence. Might be alright minus the square to Neptune. Mars? It does conjunct asc but no thanks. Move that sob out.
Mercury? Cool. I don't mind it. It is in Virgo so I think that's an advantage to it.

posted February 23, 2015 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
LOL!!! Things just got so interesting...

Sooooo tell me DeepFreeze, what do you think about my communication? Am I hard to understand? Am I a space cadet? Lol. Be honest! and detailed please

but really, if you are honest, you'll be helping me. Thanks!

I'll check back later DF.

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No, I don't honestly. But I have 12th Mercury, so I'm kind of on your level there. Sorry, that wasn't very detailed, but I don't see you that way. I think our communication is great.

posted February 23, 2015 02:23 PM            

btw, you seem to have 2 communication modes, at least here on LL. There's the cool relaxed funny DF, and then the DF that is actually trying to understand or teach something. The first one is fun, but the question is, what happens when you're actually seriously trying to get something across to others? I think you do quite well, and I think that your words carry a surprising amount of authority.

posted February 23, 2015 02:41 PM            

I too have 12th house Mercury conjunct my Asc, unlike your 2 degree orb mine is 5. Mercury is definitely very present in my personality, I'm incredibly extroverted. It's also conjunct my Sun and Moon which I think also aid in my comfort with talking to others. I've always felt misunderstood and a lot of what I say most of the time gets misconstrued. Which makes communicating with others irritating at times but I deal with it, I enjoy talking too much. That 12th house vibe is definitely there it's just harder for others to see, I know I feel it 100 percent. I may be extroverted but I'm also extremely private.

posted February 23, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Nah. That can't be it. I'm sure we're understood by other Mercuries. Sure I do tend to get carried away with my thoughts and words. I will take a theme and run it into the ground. Someone has to say, "step away from the metaphor".... That said, I'm sure something can be gained from a little more focus and structure.

btw, you seem to have 2 communication modes, at least here on LL. There's the cool relaxed funny DF, and then the DF that is actually trying to understand or teach something. The first one is fun, but the question is, what happens when you're actually seriously trying to get something across to others? I think you do quite well, and I think that your words carry a surprising amount of authority.

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*Puffing chest out* You will resepct my authority!! LOL

Interesting though. I would have never thought that about my communication or it carrying authoritive tones with it. It's true though I suppose. Particularly that whenever I speak to a group at work I get praise afterwards. It never fails to shock me.
But you're right about the rest.

posted February 23, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
It really made so much sense, Barbie. I think because we both have the 12th house conjunct Asc I can relate to your experience the most.

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Yay!! I'm happy it made sense.

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The conflict between being private, but loving to share and communicate.

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Exactly, finally someone who understands me!! I feel like such a walking contradiction, hahaha. I can talk all day about something without going in too deep or personal until I'm comfortable enough to do so. I automatically build barricades around myself to protect myself. I just can't allow any vulnerability, not sure if that'll make sense. I'm emotional yet unemotional at the same time, strong yet weak. I also have 12th house Sun, Moon and Jupiter which happen to be aspected by Saturn and many others, so yes walking contradiction I am.

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I think a lot of my tendencies towards privacy have to do with fear of being misunderstood. I dont think I'm misunderstood that often (unless I'm missing something), its just that when I am misunderstood oh my goodness it hurts so much. Like if I know I am going to say something I know people won't like, and they don't like it, fine. I was understood. But if I say something and it's taken the wrong way completely, its like a knife in my heart.

I honor my need for time alone, but I work on my need for privacy because it can get out if control. Plus the things about which I am private are so bizarre. I am ok with anything taboo, but the little things that hurt me, I can't let them be seen.

Anyway I'm glad you chimed in, having that 12th houser conjunct Asc.

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Exactly. Literally all that you've said is exactly how I am. The 12th house can seem foreign and weird to those that don't have any experience with it but for us that do its home. I don't see anything wrong with being private and protective of oneself, the world if full of so many insensitive people who could care less about hurting others. We 12th housers just have to remember that although we may feel alone, we aren't.

posted February 23, 2015 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
^ Lol. You underestimate yourself, I think.

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