posted March 07, 2015 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:

Venus in 12:

Is this fear of showing love in romantic relationships only? I have a daughter with a 12th house Venus and she is honestly the most affectionate of my children. She likes LOTS of hugs and kisses. She is 10 and still sits on my lap all the time. She has no problem letting me know what she needs and telling me when I am not giving her what she needs.

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Aww she is so sweet.

posted March 07, 2015 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Yep!
I have mars in 12th and the only fear that I have about my aggression is I feel the need to pull it back. I don't want to get too aggressive.
Just this week I was told to watch my tongue when I have to have a conversation with my employer on Monday.
I'm a little too aggressive and fearless for my own good so I have to always watch it. Especially my mouth. (Mars conjunct mercury)

So I come across shy and I hold back.

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I should probably include that my Mars is a mess even without the 12th house placement. 4 squares from Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Moon. Neptune is pretty loose and was easy to get over but the other 3 are tight and plague me.

No Mercury Mars aspect though. Never been the one to use words to defend myself. I have a friend like you that has the Merc influence on Mars. It is such a sight to see him use his Merc to put a person in their place. I grew up with him in a bad town. I always had to defend myself physically, and he never had to because he just made people feel real bad.

posted March 07, 2015 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I have venus in the 12th and i'm definitely shy about giving affection. I can be very warm and affectionate with those i'm close to but i'm very reserved with most people. I'll rarely go up to people and hug them, but i'm not opposed to people hugging me. But just a word of warning.... If you are going to hug me or something, give me a head's up because it can take me by surprise if you don't. I had a girl hug me at a new years party this year and I wasn't expecting it at all and I kind of jumped back a little bit. I felt bad because I know it had to be awkward for her. But yea... Warn me before you hug me

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That is interesting that you say that, AG.

I have had that experience with people.

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posted March 07, 2015 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Interesting thread.

My experience of Moon in the 12H is being subject to irrational fears, or fears I can't identity, which may be in part because of a water moon. I've woken up sometimes feeling vague feelings of fear. I wonder if it has to do with what's happening out of body on the inner planes.

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Thank you, P!

I am that way. I am a water Moon-cancer--conjunct the MC, exact.

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posted March 07, 2015 07:59 AM            

I am very sensitive and can get sad very easily.

With mars, I would say I do fear my aggression. I think it also hold me back from standing up for myself too.

posted March 07, 2015 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

That is interesting that you say that, AG.

I have had that experience with people.

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posted March 07, 2015 12:37 PM            

I mean I have hugged people and they have not expected it and pulled away. That is what I mean.

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posted March 07, 2015 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
I have mars conjuct Neptune in my 12th house.

I am very sensitive and can get sad very easily.

With mars, I would say I do fear my aggression. I think it also hold me back from standing up for myself too.

I do love having Neptune there.

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posted March 08, 2015 08:39 PM            

If the Sun is in the 11th house, would this person seem to attract alot of friends.

posted March 09, 2015 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
AG

I mean I have hugged people and they have not expected it and pulled away. That is what I mean.

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posted March 09, 2015 06:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Are many of yours close to the ASC( within 10 degrees).

I count that 1st house, Barbie.

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My jupiter is in 12thH only 3 deg from AC . I do feel like 12th house jupiter Ami , but I know they all said it is equally the 1st House jupiter.

posted March 09, 2015 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you dream true?

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posted March 09, 2015 08:07 AM            

Tell me how you relate to the 12th house Jupiter.

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posted March 09, 2015 02:42 PM            

Have you ever had dreams that actually came true?

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posted March 09, 2015 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I have retrograde jupiter in cancer 12th house, very far from AC.
Definitely no fear, but I can't really get clear feel or grasp on the protection of gaurdian angel
i do feel like my butt is always saved last minute but.. can't really tell if i have gaurdian angel or not. And i don't get vivid dreams. And i rarely dreamm, at least the ones that are so meaningful that i remember them
I do have Saturn opposing the jupiter though

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Your butt saved at the last minute IS the Guardian Angel

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posted March 09, 2015 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hey Koho,

it's very interesting how you describe the effect - the guy I talked about also struggled a long time to find his life calling. The trouble was not so much knowing what it was, but rather, embracing it because he found it difficult to free himself from other people's expectations and follow his own star. He says much of the time it feels like driving with the handbrake on. In his case, Mars is sq. Uranus and also sq. Venus. Like you, he also has had to put in a conscious effort to control darker violent impulses. His is a Leo Mars, btw, square a bunch of Scorpio planets. Interesting that like him, you chose boxing/martial arts as a healthier outlet.

This brings me to a question. Now this may sound weird but, do you feel your energy/life force flows freely through the entire body, or is there (sometimes) a kind of disruption of the energy flow at the navel area? I'm asking this because the guy I talked about reports that he feels like his upper and lower body half somehow don't really connect, which I find interesting because Mars is associated with the Manipura (navel) chakra; and the Chinese and Japanese martial arts also say that this area of the body is important for finding a healthy form of aggression/self-assertion, they call it Dantian/Tanden. So my working hypothesis so far is that his 12th House Mars shows the energy flow disruption at the navel area. Other people can see it, too; one old master saw him do a single form and spotted it immediately. It's especially noticeable when energy needs to be transmitted from the feet, legs or hips to the arms. So even though he's really good, both in forms and full contact fighting, he feels he can never access his full potential due to that internal handbrake. The guy has Saturn in H1 sq. Sun and opp. Moon which doubtless contributes to this particular problem.

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Yea, I think this effect is incredibly important. Ever since I learned about my North Node and thought up the life plan around it I've been relentless in my pursuit. It's honestly all I think about when I wake up - just working toward it. Fully functioning Mars now ! I think DeepFreeze was the user with the 12th Mars that also felt this. I could be wrong though. Embracing a calling is certainly its own form of finding a calling I would say so that's very 12th Mars of him.

For the second part of your post I wish I had an answer. I took a day or two to reply to you because I wanted to think of it. And... nothing.

I've always felt very connected to my body. A lot of sports feel natural to me. Except sports that involve external objects - any balls, bicycles, whatever external I'm awful. I throw like a sissy. But sports that involve only my body - boxing, running, swimming, dodgeball (only at dodging, not throwing). I'm a surprising natural at batting (my highschool buddies thought I'd be awful considering my past with 'ball' sports) the few times I tried baseball but I felt like using a bat was like using my arm with a longer reach.

posted March 10, 2015 06:23 PM            

Moon, yes, but only verbally. I can express/share my emotions through songs/poems/letters. And I am improving on verbal delivery.

posted March 10, 2015 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
@Kon

Have you ever had dreams that actually came true?

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Not that I can recall.

posted March 10, 2015 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I can relate to Saturn in 12th.
Mars, not so much, the only differences between aggression and passion are the intent and delivery IHMO.

Moon, yes, but only verbally. I can express/share my emotions through songs/poems/letters. And I am improving on verbal delivery.

What Vajra said about a distant relationship with the mother is true for me. Ironically, my mother's name asteroid directly opposes my moon in the 12th.

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Wow fascinating about the name asteroid, V!

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