posted March 18, 2015 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I have a 12th house stellium: cap sun/venus/uranus/neptune, and sag mercury.

1st house saturn in cap.

I also have cap asc and North Node. Things don't come to me easily, but they often come. I didn't really realize this before but looking back at my little journeys, I've come to the conclusion that I seem to "like" struggles. They give me thrills. Without them everything becomes a little too predictable.

I can be vague at times, and I love sitting by myself clearing my brain and/or thinking of nothing. I get bored quite easily, especially with stuff that I don't really love. But it probably is caused by a bunch of squares to be moon. I like new environments and I have a serious case of wanderlust, so I switch jobs/career/living places often. Must be uranus and mercury - I look at the horizon and I can't help but wonder what else is out there.

There's a fine line between saturn and neptune. Often I'd like to walk on that line.

Honestly with a heavy emphasis on one house, I think I don't pay enough attention to the other houses.

It's interesting that I naturally navigate towards health care works - 6th house stuff.

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Hi 12muddy,

This is an amazing description of your placement.
Planets in 12H can often be challenging, especially a stellium, but you seem to have very deep awareness of its energies, and how to use their potential. There is a lot of wisdom in the way you described your stellium, it feels like you've mastered the lessons you were born to learn in this life time, or at the very least are in the process of doing so. A Cap NN/ Cancer SN means that that native should focus on independence and battle against the comfort zone (SN) of waiting for other people to take care of them. Many people with this North Node/ South Node axis never 'grow up'. You seem to naturally seek out independence and enjoy the blessings of solitude - this is brilliant, and definitely provides a solid foundation for future relationships.

posted March 19, 2015 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Very interesting manifestation of a 7H stellium, I see a lot of Saturn's influence - people are attracted to you, you keep your distance, and while wanting company you also need your space. I have a great book on Saturn and how it manifests in our natal Houses and Signs, and the bid about the 7H says that the native should know themselves first before knowing another, and also they should not feel guilty of wanting to be alone. Looks like this kind of energy is prominent in your stellium.

Venus square Pluto is a powerful aspect, which definitely appears to be in alignment with the energy in your stellium. I have it also, in a t-square with the Moon (Moon square Venus, opposite Pluto). Has caused me a lot of trouble in the past, but has great potential once you become aware of it

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Sorry for the late reply! That's new, I thought 7th house interactions meant to learn about yourself by projecting onto the partner. Interesting, what is that book called?

posted March 21, 2015 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
Sorry for the late reply! That's new, I thought 7th house interactions meant to learn about yourself by projecting onto the partner. Interesting, what is that book called?

Pluto in hard aspect to me always plays out as what you want vs. what you need. I can see Moon square Venus magnifying that. Detachment and awareness is definitely necessary.

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Hello Iced8Ace,

The book is called Surviving Saturn's Return and is broken down by sign & house placements. The Saturn Return aspect is actually a small part of it, the bigger part of the book is explaining how Saturn manifests in the different placements and how to manage it. According to the book the more you integrate and honour Saturn's energy, the better your Saturn return will be, so the focus is around integrating Saturn. The descriptions are VERY accurate, I've checked them against all of my close friends and family and they were all amazed by the insight.

posted March 23, 2015 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hello Iced8Ace,

The book is called Surviving Saturn's Return and is broken down by sign & house placements. The Saturn Return aspect is actually a small part of it, the bigger part of the book is explaining how Saturn manifests in the different placements and how to manage it. According to the book the more you integrate and honour Saturn's energy, the better your Saturn return will be, so the focus is around integrating Saturn. The descriptions are VERY accurate, I've checked them against all of my close friends and family and they were all amazed by the insight.

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posted March 29, 2015 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
No, please talk more. I know someone who is also a Sag rising with a Saturn-Uranus conjunction in the 1H. He has a large vision of establishing self-sustaining communities for artists globally. He is a glass artist, which is interesting because stained glass is associated with Sag rising. He is also training in business, which I think is smart.

Saturn-Uranus can manifest at the physical level as muscular armoring. I know we all experience this sometimes, but do you experience this frequently?

If you're not doing this, physical exercise would probably help, getting more oxygen pumping through your system. Also, it sounds like the 3rd chakra needs attention. Have you tried using music that targets this chakra?

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ubOMi5VVY

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"I Was Born..."

I was born to entertain.
I was born to perform.
I was born to create.
I was born to inform.
I was born to bring joy.
I was born to bring happy.
I was born to make people smile.
I was born to make them laughy.
I was born to inspire.
I was born to dream.
I was born to influence others.
I was born to succeed.
I was born to change the world.
I was born to make people think.
I was born to change people's perceptions.
I was born unique.
I was born to help others.
I was born to help every.
I was born to spread love.
I was born to spread friendly.
I was born to be famous.
I was born a shining star.
I was born to be in the spotlight.
I was born David Dark.

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I want to become a billionaire. I want to create a fashion/lifestyle brand. I want to go back to a time when run-of-the-mill products were made with care. I have high standards for quality, but can't afford expensive brands, so I'd like to utilize my sharp eye for design and beautify the world. Right now, however, my focus is to become an actor -- ha!

I Googled "muscular armouring" and think that I may do that, but I'm not entirely sure. Could you enlighten me on the matter?

I don't exercise, but I know that I should. I lack a lot of motivation.

Music like that makes me imagine myself as an actor. I don't listen to instrumental music often, but music, in general, consumes my life (in a good way). How's this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWxyQlWolTI

posted March 29, 2015 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I want to become a billionaire. I want to create a fashion/lifestyle brand. I want to go back to a time when run-of-the-mill products were made with care. I have high standards for quality, but can't afford expensive brands, so I'd like to utilize my sharp eye for design and beautify the world. Right now, however, my focus is to become an actor -- ha!

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It's good to hear from you, COD! I'm glad you shared the poem. :thumsup:

[QUOTE][b]I Googled "muscular armouring" and think that I may do that, but I'm not entirely sure. Could you enlighten me on the matter?[B][QUOTE]

What I meant was a tendency to hold tension in the muscles, which can be a physical manifestation of Saturn-Uranus.

[QUOTE][b]I don't exercise, but I know that I should. I lack a lot of motivation.[B][QUOTE]

It's a catch 22 with depression. Exercise helps, but, like you say, one isn't motivated to do it. Do you mind my asking if you're on medication? I understand if you don't want to answer. I'm asking to find out if there's anything I can suggest.

I'm very optimistic that there are ways to counteract the imbalance between fire and earth in your chart. I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong, you wouldn't be motivated to start doing yoga, particularly working with the breath. But, I'll mention in passing that breathing has powerful effects on the psyche!

Another option is using vibrational remedies like gems and flower essences. Gems can also be taken in the form of elixirs. Kannon, an astrologer on the forum, has an article on his website about the gems. Here's an excerpt, but I'll post the link to the full article as well.

[QUOTE][b]In 2007-08 I used Ruby to pull out of stagnation after a period of deep depression. I began wearing it in a front pocket near the heart area during a time when I began working a new job. It helped kick-start my confidence and assertiveness and send a different (improved) signal to women. It worked. For the first time since high school I was getting noticed.[B][QUOTE]

https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/crystals-gems/

[QUOTE][B]Music like that makes me imagine myself as an actor. I don't listen to instrumental music often, but music, in general, consumes my life (in a good way). How's this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWxyQlWolTI[b][QUOTE]

The Golden Age. It sounds rather melancholy to me. The lyrics and music affects a different center. Quest for Glory, the music I linked to, targets the third center very well and you see for yourself the effect it had on you. Third center music heightens self-confidence, will and personal power. Generally, I recommend music with a faster tempo for you, it's more upbeat and it promotes a sense of well being. Here's an example. Even though you probably don't listen to this kind of music, you'll see what I mean and then you can come up with your own examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdU5sHigYQ

A Life Uncommon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wro_EMYSfFk

posted March 29, 2015 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
What I meant was a tendency to hold tension in the muscles, which can be a physical manifestation of Saturn-Uranus.

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Originally posted by peony:
It's a catch 22 with depression. Exercise helps, but, like you say, one isn't motivated to do it. Do you mind my asking if you're on medication? I understand if you don't want to answer. I'm asking to find out if there's anything I can suggest

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Originally posted by peony:
I'm very optimistic that there are ways to counteract the imbalance between fire and earth in your chart. I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong, you wouldn't be motivated to start doing yoga, particularly working with the breath. But, I'll mention in passing that breathing has powerful effects on the psyche!

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Originally posted by peony:
Another option is using vibrational remedies like gems and flower essences. Gems can also be taken in the form of elixirs. Kannon, an astrologer on the forum, has an article on his website about the gems. Here's an excerpt, but I'll post the link to the full article as well.

"In 2007-08 I used Ruby to pull out of stagnation after a period of deep depression. I began wearing it in a front pocket near the heart area during a time when I began working a new job. It helped kick-start my confidence and assertiveness and send a different (improved) signal to women. It worked. For the first time since high school I was getting noticed."

https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/crystals-gems

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Originally posted by peony:
The Golden Age. It sounds rather melancholy to me. The lyrics and music affects a different center. Quest for Glory, the music I linked to, targets the third center very well and you see for yourself the effect it had on you. Third center music heightens self-confidence, will and personal power. Generally, I recommend music with a faster tempo for you, it's more upbeat and it promotes a sense of well being. Here's an example. Even though you probably don't listen to this kind of music, you'll see what I mean and then you can come up with your own examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHdU5sHigYQ

A Life Uncommon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wro_EMYSfFk

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I'm pretty sure I know just the kind of music now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8iacryQGt4 (Uplifting progressive house.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWa5vE4MUpU (One of my favourites as a kid.)

Music like "Quest For Glory" and the songs above give me chills.

posted March 29, 2015 07:33 PM            

Do you find that you attract people, on platonic level, that who's sun sign(or dominant sign) rules the house of your stellium?I find that the people that often naturally gravitate towards me are all Gemini Suns/Moons. I never understood why until I noticed that I had a stellium in my 3rd house.

posted March 30, 2015 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I don't mind at all! I'm not ashamed about it -- I take a single Zoloft every day.

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No, I didn't think of it in terms of shame, but about your privacy being a personal question.

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I've been interested in yoga for years, but am too self-conscious about my body to go to a class, and am too lazy to do it by myself at home.

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Other people are probably self-conscious about their bodies too, or too self-absorbed to notice yours anyway. lol I can see you doing yoga and being very disciplined about it.

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Very cool! I'm become interested in gems in the past few weeks, actually. I think the Universe is trying to send me a message about them!

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I think so. I've taken them in the form of elixirs and love the effects.

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I'm pretty sure I know just the kind of music now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8iacryQGt4 (Uplifting progressive house.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWa5vE4MUpU (One of my favourites as a kid.)

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You're a quick study...both very good examples of what I'm talking about, fast tempo, upbeat, creates a sense of well being. Music you can dance to does that.

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Music like "Quest For Glory" and the songs above give me chills.

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Chills is one of the indicators of what composer Kurt Leland calls a "transcendent musical experience" or "TME." Listening to music in a meditative way is a form of yoga, or "yoga of listening," and its goal is to experience TMEs. A TME is an expanded state of awareness experienced while listening to, playing, or composing music. It's a matter of knowing which music and how to use it.

Did you know that many composers have the Sun, Moon, or Saturn in major aspect to Neptune?

posted March 30, 2015 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I've been interested in yoga for years, but am too self-conscious about my body to go to a class, and am too lazy to do it by myself at home. (I almost wish I could afford a personal trainer or life coach to get my butt in gear.)

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Hey CupOfDavid,

Don't want to derail your brilliant conversation with peony, just stopping by to quietly leave this for you: http://www.gaiamtv.com/my-yoga

I also put off yoga for years, for different reasons, and this link finally got me started a few months ago. They have very short sessions for beginners (ranging from 8 minutes to 20-30 minutes, and you can choose from dozens of instructors), so if you have no experience and want to try it quickly at home, it is a great start and allows you to taste what yoga is about. I felt amazing after just 1 session, even though I've been working out regularly for years - the physical sensation from yoga is completely different and is not interchangeable with other physical exercises in my opinion. I always thought working out is helping me manage my stress levels, but just 1 single yoga session helps me find my centre and balance, and immediately resolves any negative energy I might carry - and doing it regularly alters my outlook on life and how I respond to my environment. It's a culture in its own right, very powerful and absolutely worth it. Please don't think I'm putting any pressure on you to try yoga I'm just leaving the link so you can check it out when the moment comes and you decide you want to give it a try. I personally had the link for 2 and a half years, before finally giving it a go.

posted March 30, 2015 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ashes2Phoenix:
BarbieGirl, Your 3rd house stellium sounds exactly like my 3rd house stellium. I have Sun/Mercury/Mars/Pluto in the 3rd house, first 3 personal planets all conjunct Pluto in the 3rd. To add to your description, I am obsessed with learning new things. I can hear about something, such as how vortexes are formed then immediately do as much research as possible to find out more about the topic. People are usually amazed that I know a little of something about A LOT! The only reason is because I become obsessive over subjects/issues, so much so that I get this urge to know everything I can. Also, I find that my own thoughts are my distraction. I could be thinking about something intensely then forget what I was thinking about (cannot recall for the life of me). My manner of speech is disjointed, I can shift from topic to topic then come full circle again.

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Hi, Ashes2Phoenix

This is exactly how I am! I feel like a know-it-all and a smartass all of the time when really I just like to know everything. I have to or I get bored and I can't take being bored LOL! I know just about all there is to know about celebs! I look into and know the most random things!

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Do you find that you attract people, on platonic level, that who's sun sign(or dominant sign) rules the house of your stellium?I find that the people that often naturally gravitate towards me are all Gemini Suns/Moons. I never understood why until I noticed that I had a stellium in my 3rd house.

Stellium: Sun/Mecury/Mars/Pluto in Scorpio in 3rd house

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posted March 30, 2015 09:30 AM            

One is in Libra 8th and made of Mars 0 Pluto 5-6 and Mercury 11. An evenly distributed stellium, with Pluto on mdp. This is the point you want to touch in synastry if you want to activate the entire stellium for me.

The other one is geometrically angular (the handle of my Fan), in Pisces 2nd, and it's made of Jupiter 11 Juno 10 Pholus 8 Ceres 6. It opposes my Venus and squares Neptune/nodal axis.

A few thoughts on stelliums:
-they act like a formidable weapon/tool at the native's disposal; they create a special character, archetype (for example, my Jupiter stellium, a special kind of partner in relationships)

- their "downside" is that it's hard to distinguish/use between the energy of the planets/asteroids in it, they act in synch, they color each other's flavor, especially with tight stelliums. You can't see the wood for the trees with those planets. but, if the orb is wider, such in the case of my first stellium, it's easier to use the energy separetely (for example, use my Mercury without my Mars; however, touching the mdp probably activates both Mercury and Mars)

- transits (hard aspects) activate the whole archetype for you, in cycles

- the gathering of energy in a stellium is not random in your chart, it has a purpose and meaning related to your karma and life path and the major theme of your chart: for example in my case, the 8th house Pluto stellium serves Sun and Venus also in the 8th (my 8th house emphasis) and my MC in Scorpio. It creates a cohesive profile. The Jupiter/Juno stellium seems to activate/enhance my intercepted 7th house theme, with Saturn, Moon and Venus in the 7th house (Venus exactly on 8th cusp), namely my relationships lesson/focus.

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posted March 30, 2015 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
LeeLoo, there's the similarity!! Your Mercury is conjunct mine exactly! I was wondering whenever I read any of your posts why they sound as if I had written them just in a wiser tone LOL!

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posted March 30, 2015 10:34 AM            

Great observations on stelliums, thank you for sharing!

Since the 8H is all about the psyche, life death and re-birth, and the deeper connection between sounds, do you think your stellium there is what has pulled you to astrology?

Ashes2Phoenix and Barbiegirl19,

posted March 30, 2015 10:43 AM            

I think Donna Cunningham has some really good articles:

Vulnerability of Stellium:
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/the-incredible-vulnerability-a-stellium-creates/

Four Big Things
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/four-big-things-you-may-not-know-about-stelliums/

Transits to Stellium
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/qa-session-transits-to-stelliums/

Identify your Alpha Dog Planet
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/how-to-identify-your-alpha-dog-planet/

KRSChannel has some good videos too.

I would say that the lower degree planet of your stellium tends to hold a little bit stronger influence and gets affected first by transit.

posted March 30, 2015 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
LeeLoo,

Great observations on stelliums, thank you for sharing!

Since the 8H is all about the psyche, life death and re-birth, and the deeper connection between sounds, do you think your stellium there is what has pulled you to astrology?

Ashes2Phoenix and Barbiegirl19,

Good catch on attracting people whose sign rules the stellium house. My stellium is in 11H and I have always attracted Aquarius Sun or AC friends.

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Absolutely! And my peregrine Uranus, I think.

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posted March 30, 2015 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Absolutely! And my peregrine Uranus, I think.

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It's amazing to see when people consciously manifest the energy of their charts, and how unique it makes them in their field

By the way I meant to write 'the connection of souls' above, not sounds... Who knows what I was thinking about, but you got the essence of what I was saying so it's fine

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I have two stelliums. One in Aqua and one in cap.

I think Donna Cunningham has some really good articles:

Vulnerability of Stellium:
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/the-incredible-vulnerability-a-stellium-creates/

Four Big Things
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/four-big-things-you-may-not-know-about-stelliums/

Transits to Stellium
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/qa-session-transits-to-stelliums/

Identify your Alpha Dog Planet
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/how-to-identify-your-alpha-dog-planet/

KRSChannel has some good videos too.

I would say that the lower degree planet of your stellium tends to hold a little bit stronger influence and gets affected first by transit.

Mine in Capricorn is North Node.

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posted March 31, 2015 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hi 12muddy,

This is an amazing description of your placement.
Planets in 12H can often be challenging, especially a stellium, but you seem to have very deep awareness of its energies, and how to use their potential. There is a lot of wisdom in the way you described your stellium, it feels like you've mastered the lessons you were born to learn in this life time, or at the very least are in the process of doing so. A Cap NN/ Cancer SN means that that native should focus on independence and battle against the comfort zone (SN) of waiting for other people to take care of them. Many people with this North Node/ South Node axis never 'grow up'. You seem to naturally seek out independence and enjoy the blessings of solitude - this is brilliant, and definitely provides a solid foundation for future relationships.

I think the key is in what you said about liking struggles. I resonate with this also - things that come too easy, immediately bore me. Once I realised this, I started channeling the energy of my 3 planets in Capricorn much more effectively, and they've given me so much power. There has to be some action or intrigue, and sense of accomplishment

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Some thoughts on what cap nn/ cancer sn feels like to me.

I think a part of the lesson is to balance them out. With a cap stellium, being able to live and grow n support myself is important. It gives me freedom to be who I want to be and do what I want to do. It wasn't hard to feel comfortable on my own. But it was tough to want to stay in close relationships.

My nn is in the 1st house, sn in the 7th. It's tough. I soon learnt that sometimes, doing what I want means that I have to disregard the feelings and sensibilities of those who r close to me. Say, if my parents knew what I once did for a living they would definitely croak. Or when I didnt care that there were people who lost sleep worrying about my safety. I create bonds easily, but too often I soon find those bonds suffocating. I believe it's one of the effects of the 12th house - I blur boundaries n get close/personal/connecteda very quickly.

posted March 31, 2015 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
SaturnFan, no chance you derail anything. Besides, you know the Cap stellium from inside. Your comments are always appreciated.

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posted March 31, 2015 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Some thoughts on what cap nn/ cancer sn feels like to me.

I think a part of the lesson is to balance them out. With a cap stellium, being able to live and grow n support myself is important. It gives me freedom to be who I want to be and do what I want to do. It wasn't hard to feel comfortable on my own. But it was tough to want to stay in close relationships.

My nn is in the 1st house, sn in the 7th. It's tough. I soon learnt that sometimes, doing what I want means that I have to disregard the feelings and sensibilities of those who r close to me. Say, if my parents knew what I once did for a living they would definitely croak. Or when I didnt care that there were people who lost sleep worrying about my safety. I create bonds easily, but too often I soon find those bonds suffocating. I believe it's one of the effects of the 12th house - I blur boundaries n get close/personal/connecteda very quickly.

I still feel like that sometimes. I enjoy people, but only to a certain point. Well except for my s.o. He doesn't weigh me down.

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Wow, that's a powerful combination of similar types of energy. Capricorn pulling you towards independence, 1H NN also pulling you towards individuality, independence and leadership. You were born to be a leader with this combination, in my humble opinion. Or if the word leader does not appeal to you, at lease someone influential and will great personal power.