posted April 15, 2015 11:44 PM            

Virgo Sun conjunct Virgo IC here.

I actually just started working out (seriously) this january and living a healthier lifestyle and I've lost 15 pounds so far (and gained muscle) working out 6 sometimes 7 days a week. I will admit that there has been a few 5 day weeks and as of last week I only completed 4 days but I still hit the gym 71 days so far though!

My secret language description also fits me very well in that respect:
" Those born on September 20 are generally aware not only of the physical condition of their bodies but also of their relative beauty. Consequently those born on this day need not be reminded of the importance of physical exercise and diet in maintaining their health and good looks. They must, however, beware of focusing excessively on the outward goal of an attractive exterior. They may even at times compromise their health in this respect, going overboard on fad diets and vigorous, but also dangerous forms of overexercise. Those born on this day must beware of all affective ailments, particularly those involving hormone imbalances."

I have definitely noticed perfectionist tendencies in how determined I am to get a nice and toned body (according to my own standards) and in the way that I try to constantly push myself physically (i.e. sprinting at a faster pace, lifting heavier weights, etc).

I'm also going into a service oriented field (Teaching) and I definitely respect those in service related positions.

posted April 15, 2015 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
YES.

Not to mention, they can be slobs.

SLOBS!

lol

On the downswing, they are also hyper-critical, judgmental,

and very vocal complainers (pointing out the speck in your

eye, with a plank in their own).

But they aren't the problem, mind you; it's everyone else.

Toxic.

I'm happy to hear that there is a 'rebirth' of sorts on the

horizon, in your experience.

Such a shame to see good people turn into their own worst enemy.

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I've seen this and it surprised me. But in all 3 cases (1 male, 2 females) they were raised with terrible abuse, and perhaps they were living up to what they were raised with (the man grew up with a violent alcoholic who had no respect for women so he leaned that way himself, and the one who was a nympho--though she kept a bowl of condoms on her bed stand among other things at least--was made to serve giving sexual massages so that her family got paid since she was very young).

Here's what amazed me the most...all 3 would do things so they'd get beaten (even the guy who'd taunt people into attacking him and he KNEW that was how it was going to end, though he was a bully himself who tormented others, interesting enough), the 2 women would even torment their passed out boyfriends (booze for one, and I think meth for the other, it was something he injected into himself anyway) and I'd tell them to stop. Having grown up in a violent alcoholic family myself I KNEW where that was headed and kept telling them to stop. They wouldn't. And then when the guy came conscious enough to hit her she'd have the gall to seek sympathy for herself (when one realized I had zero for her she then called the police to have him arrested while he was still unconscious!).

In retrospect, I believe that maybe what they were doing was trying to understand that they didn't deserve the drunken beatings they were raised with (even if, IMO, they had no right to complain about being hit as they were in front of me) so they engineered the situation to where it would happen again and then seek sympathy and understanding. As a kid they deserved that understanding and mercy, but as adults...they pretty much brought that on themselves, so it was an endless cycle of recreating the trauma they were raised with in order to deal with it because consciously they couldn't.

posted April 16, 2015 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hey...this is a positive thread on virgo! Please refrain from pointing out the obvious, we know our negative points and we know them much better than you do! Thank you! Lol

By the way, your spacing really needs some improvement!! Hehe Just looking out for you!

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See what I mean?

posted April 16, 2015 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I've seen this and it surprised me....

In retrospect, I believe that maybe what they were doing was trying to understand that they didn't deserve the drunken beatings they were raised with (even if, IMO, they had no right to complain about being hit as they were in front of me) so they engineered the situation to where it would happen again and then seek sympathy and understanding. As a kid they deserved that understanding and mercy, but as adults...they pretty much brought that on themselves, so it was an endless cycle of recreating the trauma they were raised with in order to deal with it because consciously they couldn't.

Or maybe they'd internalized all the abuse they were raised with so they thought they DESERVED to be beaten and then told they deserved it, I don't know. I lost contact with those 3 Virgos many years ago.

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Could be.

Either way, that is so sad.

Whether their reactions were sign-related, or not... I just

don't know.

What I do know is that abuse has a terrible tendency to perpetuate

itself long after the victim is "free" from their abuser... and there

is a spiritual element to that (imo).

A person can know (intellectually) that they aren't to blame, but

whether or not they can truly believe it is another matter.

posted April 16, 2015 01:10 AM            

Unfortunately I don't know anything beyond their sun sign (nor if they've transformed since I knew them), but it did surprise me. They still had a "Virgo energy" in their everyday vibe to them despite this manifestation.

posted April 16, 2015 02:24 AM            

As I age (I will be 37 this year), I am letting go of the compulsive need for cleanliness and organization. I am more worried about my own health and well-being, my career, my kids, etc. Also, I am getting more laid back and really enjoying my down time.

My progressed sun is in Libra, so it makes sense I am looking for more balance in life.

posted April 17, 2015 01:38 AM            

As a Sag Sun myself, I didn't have a very good understanding of Virgo energy in the beginning.

I thought many were unnecessarily "anal" in their disposition. And altogether really unpleasant people.

This was before I discovered that I was projecting my Mars in Virgo(Vedic)on to them.

Or perhaps because Virgo is the "authority" figure to Sag is why I found them to be so "rigid" in nature?

I thank everyone for contributing on this.

posted April 17, 2015 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Obviously we have just scratched the surface here. And there is still so much to learn from the Virgo energy that may have not been covered etc.

As a Sag Sun myself, I didn't have a very good understanding of Virgo energy in the beginning.

I thought many were unnecessarily "anal" in their disposition. And altogether really unpleasant people.

This was before I discovered that I was projecting my Mars in Virgo(Vedic)on to them.

Or perhaps because Virgo is the "authority" figure to Sag is why I found them to be so "rigid" in nature?

I thank everyone for contributing on this.

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To be honest, I am intimidated by that Virgo drive for perfection, so I ignore it, and I get away with it. Me and Virgos usually meet in the "freak in the bed" arena, and they also seem to really like to listen to me talk.

But since I've been looking at my Virgo NN, I have been trying to examine the things about Virgo that make me uncomfortable. I am trying to take lessons from the Virgos in my life- something I was never open to doing.

posted April 17, 2015 04:05 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:

To be honest, I am intimidated by that Virgo drive for perfection, so I ignore it, and I get away with it. Me and Virgos usually meet in the "freak in the bed" arena, and they also seem to really like to listen to me talk.

But since I've been looking at my Virgo NN, I have been trying to examine the things about Virgo that make me uncomfortable. I am trying to take lessons from the Virgos in my life- something I was never open to doing.

It's interesting you mention having a Virgo Mars. I am comparing two Virgo Suns to Two Virgo Mars, and I found the Mars to be as strong as the Sun as far as sign identity goes. I hope that makes sense.... I mean that there is no difference, to me, between Mars and Sun in Virgo. Sometimes I forget that the Mars has another Sun sign. I should add that both Virgo Mars have Venus in Virgo too.

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Well I think that it would be noteworthy to also note if the Mars sign concerned enjoys afflictions to Saturn/Jupiter?

As this may deflect the energy of Mars(especially if the planet concerned is in Sag/Pisces).

In my case,my Mars enjoys no afflictions from Jupiter/Saturn but does square natal Moon and Mercury- imposing its influence on these two placements.

What I find with with Mercury in Sag(its ruler) is that I want to say as much as possible. But Virgo wants me to be brief.

So I'll say things like "I'm looking for a specific word" or "It's like..." etc. I say that a lot when I am at a loss of explaining something that i really understand ,but want the other person to get the "gist" of.

The perfect example for this is; A wise scholar devoted to a vow of silence, who can only say one thing a month.

So whatever he says,better encapsulate what he has been long mediating about all those days.

With the ruler of my Mars sign (Mercury) in Sag. I apply a lot of energy in analyzing, finding out and applying my physical resources(Mars)to Philosophy, religion and worldly ideas.

posted April 17, 2015 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:

See what I mean?

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posted April 17, 2015 09:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Obviously we have just scratched the surface here. And there is still so much to learn from the Virgo energy that may have not been covered etc.

As a Sag Sun myself, I didn't have a very good understanding of Virgo energy in the beginning.

I thought many were unnecessarily "anal" in their disposition. And altogether really unpleasant people.

This was before I discovered that I was projecting my Mars in Virgo(Vedic)on to them.

Or perhaps because Virgo is the "authority" figure to Sag is why I found them to be so "rigid" in nature?

I thank everyone for contributing on this.

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posted April 17, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Can you imagine what it's like for me, saggy sun, virgo moon....ugh!! Thank God they don't aspect or else I'd be such a mess! Lol

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I have it flipped. Virgo sun, Sag moon. Oh and my sun squares my moon.

posted April 17, 2015 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:

Yes, Virgos are freaks. They like to appear very wholesome but they are freaks and the majority of Virgo influenced people I know get or have gotten around.

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Hehe, not untrue (I'm Virgo). I sometimes go on about me being like Julie Andrews to guys who are hitting on me (which doesn't happen a lot these days, lol), but deep down I am rather different.

I have Virgo sun, mercury, uranus and pluto. Although the sun is nearer to Libra in my chart, my mercury, uranus and pluto are all conjunct and I'd admit I'm as nutty as a fruitcake.

posted April 17, 2015 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Well I think that it would be noteworthy to also note if the Mars sign concerned enjoys afflictions to Saturn/Jupiter?

As this may deflect the energy of Mars(especially if the planet concerned is in Sag/Pisces).

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posted April 17, 2015 09:15 PM            

(My best friend is Virgo Sun and Mercury conjunct - I forget the aspects)

Analyzing is an understatement. I analyze things that I have no business analyzing, but I try. LOL Details are picked up and even though I may not be the best with words, I do pay close attention to others words.
Some would say that I've gotten around. LMAO. Depends who you ask I guess. Most say that yes, I have. Eh... I wasn't trying to keep track and all that.

Here's something that I wanted to address. When Virgo is critical of others, I don't think that they mean it in the way that others may take it. But it's a lesson for Virgo. For example, if teaching their children how to do something. There may be more than one way, but the Virgo has to pay attention to make sure they allow the child to explore what way works best for THEM. Virgo can forget that the way that works best for them, may not be the best for others. I've found this with myself. Sometimes the way I approach a problem actually confuses others. In my example though, Virgo would simply want the best for them.
My best friend has said a LOT of statements beginning with, "You should.... " What he it's something that he would like if in the same position and that sort of thing. I used to have a fast car and he'd say, "We should take a ride" where others may say, "let's take a ride."
When he would be considering a woman for dating he may very well basically rip her apart while telling me about her but then after he was finished he'd say, "But". Meaning, he acknowledges what he sees as her flaws, "But", is willing to look past all that. Maybe I'm not helping and Virgo still seems like an @ss. LOL

Another thing about being critical. Just my observation at least with myself and my friend. We may seem critical at times but don't be fooled into thinking that we don't see our own. We (My friend and I) are HARDEST on ourselves! We see ALL of our flaws. We may not verbalize them but we know they are there. It's extremely difficult sometimes.

posted April 17, 2015 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hehe....luv ya!

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I have three planets in the sixth,

two of which are conjunct (Venus Virgo, Pluto Libra)...

Not to mention Vertex, Eros, and pof.

I'm hardly exempt.

posted April 17, 2015 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm doing my best to keep up with you Aries23Degrees, but the quote above was as much as I could bite off. Saturn or Jupiter deflect the energy of Mars?

Well only one has Mars square Jupiter (in Sag) and Mars sextile Saturn in Scorpio. The other has no aspects between Mars and Saturn/Jupiter. But both have Saturn conj. Ascendant. And if that's irrelevant, then you can see how much I didn't understand- lol.

I here astrologers always talking about lords, and I get the very basics, like Mars is in Virgo, look for Virgos ruling planet Mercury and it's condition in the sign it sits in, but then what?

And how do you tell it's condition, and you took it a step further, and I can't even try to quote you (talk about a run-on sentence).

Where can I learn about lordship? Is there a book or link you can recommend? I just don't get it. It's like opening a door to nowhere.

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Firstly I think that you should know that I lean towards Vedic astrology.So my understanding is more on that side.

What I understand from studying and observing energies,is that the energy is not necessarily "bad" inherently. But it can be inappropriate- given the situation.

Also that there are certain combinations that exacerbate or modify a certain energy from acting in its "pure" form.

The energy still acts in the manner consistent with it, but there is often added hesitancy,indecision or inner turmoil etc.

Okay. Let's use my chart placements as an example;

My Mars is in Virgo.

Mars is energy,the soldier,steam, the "push", passion etc.

Now with all that being said, just imagine this energy acting together with the sign of "prudence",fastidiousness, precision, caution etc.

Mars in Virgo is still intellectual. But is a lot more aggressive than it would like.

Aggression is NOT what the nature of Virgo desires. Detachment,reason and a cool-head however are.

So the good news is that Mercury(Virgo-ruler) and Mars are both "busy"/active positions. So Virgo here is still very much the "doer".

But the results are not altogether favorable.
As Virgo here is likely to be argumentative ,defensive,sharply critical, intellectual but very emotional about it etc.

The planet that can "modify" this Mars in Virgo's lukewarm expression,are Jupiter/Mars.

A friend of Mars between Saturn and Jupiter is Jupiter. So Jupiter aspects(even the challenging ones) are to be assumed as much better than Saturn's.

But there should a disclaimer here too- as Jupiter/Mars aspects are great for enhancing Mars' attributes.

But if the sign is already uncomfortable in Mars,than Saturn aspects are more favorable. Otherwise Jupiter just adds fuel to the flame-as I will explain.

In my case,Mars in Virgo enjoys no "modification" by any of these two. So it enjoys exclusive rights to "act as it pleases" etc. Sort of like the child with no parental/sibling to interfere.

So I am a person who often gets very defensive about my work. I don't like being told what to do and can find it challenging to accept criticism.

This would all be so hunky-dory for Aries Mars. But my Virgo energy here inherehently needs me to be a lot less emotional and "ego focused", a lot more cool-headed and more "willing to accept the possibility that I may not altogether be perfect as I am" etc.

But say Jupiter was in challenging aspect (in Gemini/Sag/Pisces)with Mars.

If Jupiter is in Gemini,Gemini/Virgo are both ruled by Mercury. So the square aspect of Jupiter in Gemini/Mars with Mars in Virgo would create a nervous individual with a strong focus on intellect.

But the energies are ruled by the same sign(Mercury) and work towards a common end(albeit in differing ways) and that is "cool intellectual understanding".

Also,Jupiter in Gemini is not considered to be particularly "strong' here- as Jupiter tends to take apart/intellectualize the things of Jupiter.

So this energy would help "modify" a lot of my "touchiness"- if i had it.

Now if Jupiter opposed Pisces (Jupiter/ emotions) or squared Jupiter in Sag(Jupiter/ inspiration),we may have challenges.But in differing ways

Jupiter in Sag square does agree with the fiery intellectual combo that the Mars in Virgo has.

So this would create an arrogant, "this is the only way to do it" individual. Not a good fix for the Virgo energy intent.

The opposition to Pisces would create a more emotionally defensive individual who finds it difficult to be open to appraisal.

posted April 17, 2015 10:59 PM            

Now say Saturn was in square aspect to Mars in Virgo?

If Saturn is in Gemini,the cool nature of Saturn agrees with Gemini's logic. But Gemini's sense of curiosity/playfulness is seriously limited here. So the sign energy is not likely to be strong or vibrant.

The square aspect of Mars/Saturn in Gemini may be challenging. But interestingly enough,despite Saturn being "less" of a friend to Mars. The general outcome of the two coming together in this way, is favorable.(as Virgo and taciturn Saturn are very agreeable)

Saturn cools the contradictory and unsettled nature of Gemini here. So the Mars in Virgo strong intellectual prowess is enhanced- by being given only Gemini's cool mind(as compared to Gemini's constant exuberance in Jupiter). But there is more.

Saturn's influence also cools the hot nature of Mars' influence on Virgo energy; Optimizing Virgo' energies reasoning abilities and emotional calm when it comes to the intellectual.

This individual may be the type who keeps their nose on the grindstone and is not likely to be as "conflicted" nor be too emotional/defensive.

The square aspect of Mars to Saturn in Sag/Pisces is similar in effect.

Saturn tends to stifle the often expressive and expansive nature of Sag. Perhaps not creating a "zealot" per se, but someone who tends to stick with doctrine.

So the square aspect with Mars in Virgo may limit mistakes that can happen with Sag's tendency to jump to conclusions or "assume" etc.

The other Saturn position may limit Pisces' tendency for escapism and privacy.

This opposition aspect with Mars can go a long way in eliminating the tendency of a person to 'hide' their work or not want to people in to what they are thinking.

It may not create someone who is a social butterfly,but it may make the person more open to working with others(opposition); balancing when to share and when to withhold etc.

But the downside with all the aspects is that this individual may suffer confidence issues/resentment or be demoralized by authority figures(Saturn square/opposite Mars); feeling like they "steal" their general drive(Mars) or more specifically, don't have faith in their intellectual capacity etc.

The other possibility is that there could be a lot of guilt the person feels in being themselves(Mars)- without being edited(Saturn).

Despite the fact that Virgo energy is agreeable with Saturn, the result can be that the person may feel "inadequate" taking their own initiative(Mars); often full of self-doubt or second guessing and relying on the presence/support of those that they deem more competent.

This creates a sort of "dependability on others" that may come together with the package. Not Virgo energies intentions either.

Or it can also create an individual who grows ever more resentful about external interference; never really knowing when their autonomy vs. others input starts/ends.

posted April 17, 2015 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I have it flipped. Virgo sun, Sag moon. Oh and my sun squares my moon.

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posted April 17, 2015 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
I have three planets in the sixth,

two of which are conjunct (Venus Virgo, Pluto Libra)...

Not to mention Vertex, Eros, and pof.

I'm hardly exempt.

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posted April 18, 2015 10:57 AM            

Now the Virgo Mars square Jupiter sextile Saturn is much easier to talk to. He still tries to get a clear or deep understanding of what I'm saying, but he asks questions that help me to build, not make me want to throw my hands up. He does seem to have a need for acceptance, or approval or something. I love supporting him. I absolutely love boosting his ego, because he wants it, and he makes it easy. He deserves it. But it's a little sad because he is easily abused. His mind and body are the epitome of strength, but his decisions and the resulting pain he suffers show a weakness somewhere. I was just making a wild guess that it might be his Libra placements (Mercury, Sun, Pluto), but it sounds like it might be his Scorpio Saturn.

posted April 18, 2015 04:48 PM            

I am also hungry to read sites on astrology. I go through each one that tickles my fancy. Love that.

Cafe-astrology
Astrotheme.com
Milton black
Elbertwade.com
Astro.com
Watching YouTube videos on astrology.(this helps a lot)
Skywriter
Astrology x-files.com

So many others that I can't seem to remember now. All my "teachers".

But the biggest teacher of them all is Experience. Really cements the whole flow because I pay careful attention and question. A lot.

posted April 19, 2015 12:20 PM            

The one I seem to be growing towards is Vedic.Simply because it is more accurate.

Its not easy to use both. Easy to get mixed up. I wouldn't recommend it

But since so many on here are using tropical ,I have to take that into consideration when answering threads.