posted April 22, 2015 02:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Thanks for posting her chart, Eirlys! She's indeed another great example of true humanity in dark times. First house Saturn retrograde - often this shows self-doubt, and here it aspects the 8th House Sun as well by a quincunx - maybe this together with Virgo AC made her work so hard for others and put herself at risk, while her fire placements supplied the necessary drive, bravery and optimism to go through with it…and here, we see an "easy" aspect between Saturn and Mars (Sendler has the sextile between Saturn and Pluto), and maybe Peony is right in noting there's no "easy" expression for that kind of energy? Or could one perhaps say Saturn/Mars is about strength and structure in contrast to Saturn/Pluto? Any ideas?

Interesting to note that this is another low water chart (only Uranus, which is generational), and that she has two Taurus placements as well (North Node and Mercury).

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I noticed that her Sun(Aries), Uranus (Scorp), and

Mars (Cap) are exalted.

Also, her tightest aspects (personal planets) are:

* Mercury opp Uranus 2°

Not restricted in her thinking or communication.

Uranus is Aquarius - the rebel, the truth-seeker,

the instigator who challenges norms and authority

... for the group/masses.

* Venus conj MC 0°

^ Possibly on their behalf.

Along with Saturn trine Mars.. I agree with you.

Structure, strength.. along with dedication and

patience, maybe?

Cap always seems like the "adult" of the zodiac,

so why not.

Thanks for the input.

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posted April 22, 2015 08:32 AM            

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posted April 23, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Thanks, Kannon, for the detailed analysis! Yes, Scorpio AC was also my first impression, based on her looks, her personality, and and also on her way of doing things. Triple fixed would fit her very well IMO; also, her face looks rectangular to me, especially in the photo where she's old, which is a very typical bone structure of Scorp rising people. I agree with the other parts of the analysis too - what do you think did the Chiron/Sun conjunction contribute to? One thing I remember reading about her which could be connected to it is the following: As an old woman, she remarked that she felt remorse at having done "too little". Unbelievable but true. Other than that, I find it interesting how Uranus, her Sun sign ruler, aspects so many of her planets.

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re: Irena Sendler. Yes, can't really leave out that Sun-Chiron conjunction. I think in Aquarius and with Sun also conj Venus, its the perfect picture of a potential humanitarian.

I see I'm a bit behind, but nice to be reminded of Corrie ten Boom. In the churches I grew up in she was admired possibly over any other woman. She was probably the strongest teacher of the power of forgiveness. Yes, what she did for Jews was tremendous, brave and principled. But what was always emphasized in my religious upbringing was her unbending forgiveness of any of those that imprisoned or otherwise harmed her.

However, a warning. This chart is B-rated based on a rounded b.t. from a 3rd party.

Knowing something of her and her attitude, I'd say a Virgo Asc for her is much more likely in aspect to Jupiter (by quincunx) and square to Moon in early Sag, creating a more open and bright demeanor. So, in the 5-degree range if in Virgo at all. That would also make the Asc parallel the Sun. That is a chart I can find plausible, but not Saturn closest to the Asc. There is little if anything noticeably Saturnine about her, particluarly since a Saturnine-Virgo personality would put focus on details and distinctions, not on the religiously principled and compassionate social activities that are far more characterized by Jupiter and Moon in Sagittarius. This would also put Neptune-Pluto square her Asc (and Pluto parallel it) showing a strong-willed, powerful person with a life of potentially profound challenges.

Regardless, she is a great example of someone putting their astrological energies to unquestionably positive use.

Moon in Sag - definitely seen in her demeanor, personality and all-embracing attitude.

Sun in Aries - definitely shown in courage, initiative in running a church for disabled people.

Sun parallel Pluto in north declination showed in her powerful effect on others, her leadership and determination. Northern (+) declination indicates more public focus to those planetary energies.

posted April 24, 2015 08:39 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I hope this thread encourages everyone to stand up against evil.

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Yes!! EVIL still happening TODAY-

NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE STANDING UP AGAINST THIS!!!! - http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.co.nz/2015/04/picture-proof-that-israel-deliberately.html

posted April 25, 2015 09:49 AM            

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posted April 25, 2015 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Great post, E!

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I didn't see this.. thank you.

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Originally posted by Vajra:
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Interesting to note that this is another low water chart (only Uranus, which is generational), and that she has two Taurus placements as well (North Node and Mercury).

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In looking through those who stood against the Nazis, I

found another chart who, again (as you've pointed out),

has a 'low water' chart.

Raoul Wallenberg (more after chart):

Not only that, but it's similar to Corrie ten Boom's chart:

she had three Exalted planets, Wallenburg has four Domicile,

one of which is listed also as Exalted (Merc)...

Leo Sun

Virgo Mercury

Sag Jupiter

Aqua Uranus

Something like the home field advantage (?), planets are

better at doing what they do best, when they're at home.

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posted April 25, 2015 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
The same thought just crossed my mind, erickaf, after seeing that T-square! Perhaps the subconscious pressure posed by hard Saturn aspects propels these people to grow beyond their limits? Another thought: Saturn is the planet that traditionally symbolizes fear. Maybe the hard/challenging aspects to the fear planet give the necessary drive to some people to overcome their fear? Because what those already discussed on this thread did sure must have been terrifying.

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posted April 25, 2015 07:15 PM            

I had similar feelings when reading the Rachel Corrie story. She seemed to be such a bright young woman with a life full of such potential. It seems teens and even 20-somethings can have difficult assessing risk properly, or once their heads are set on something, feeling the internal guidance to avoid certain regrettable outcomes.

I felt both admiration for her and that she'd been a naive youngster.

I think singular acts are not necessarily heroic, particularly when the sacrifice of oneself led to no gain to anyone else. Its much more admirable to see work people have done of unquestionable benefit to others over a period of time. Someone who saves 200,000 people from potential slaughter has done something monumental.

Obviously with John Rabe's chart you can see the Sun-Mars conjunction opposite Pluto. Often, the strongly driving aspects that create this potential for courageous beneficient action could also create something else entirely. Intention guides all actions, not a birth chart.

I would love to see, in cities everywhere and at schools everywhere, promenades of busts or statues of these people lined up with their stories carved in stone beside them. We need role models, not heroes. Young people need to be able to dream big dreams that include others and the entire world benefiting.

Martin Luther King, Jr. is someone who comes to mind, but people should know that there was a very important man who stood behind him mostly behind the scenes, Bayard Rustin. He was born March 17, 1912 in West Chester, Pennsylvania. There is no chart on file at ADB and I know of no birth time.

Again we see Sun, Mars, Pluto in aspect, this time Sun squaring the other two. I think the real meaty core of his chart and aspects would only be revealed with an accurate Asc, since there I see only Jupiter contra-parallel Neptune in the declinations.

He was a pacifist Quaker and student of A. Philip Randolph.

From wikipedia:
As declared pacifists who refused induction into the military, Rustin, Houser, and other members of FOR and CORE were convicted of violating the Selective Service Act. From 1944 to 1946, Rustin was imprisoned in Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary, where he organized protests against segregated dining facilities. During his incarceration, Rustin also organized FOR's Free India Committee. After his release from prison, he was frequently arrested for protesting against British colonial rule in India and Africa.

Not only this, but he was a GAY black man who eventually settled down with a white partner.

At some point, we have to admit that it was not astrology that created their courage and conscience, but their willfull sensitivity to the human condition and a listening ear from conscience linked directly to a helping hand.

posted April 26, 2015 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
…and here, we see an "easy" aspect between Saturn and Mars (Sendler has the sextile between Saturn and Pluto), and maybe Peony is right in noting there's no "easy" expression for that kind of energy? Or could one perhaps say Saturn/Mars is about strength and structure in contrast to Saturn/Pluto? Any ideas?

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Mars-Saturn can manifest as conflict with authority. Similarly, Saturn-Pluto has an adversarial attitude toward authority. Both Mars-Saturn and Saturn-Pluto are associated with cruelty, brutality, and violence, but also appear in the charts of people who oppose these forces.

Certainly, the latter is true in the case of Corrie ten Boom, who has a Mars trine Saturn and Raoul Wallenberg with a Mars square Saturn. Albert Schweitzer, who also had Mars square Saturn, along with his wife, were "put under supervision" by the French military when World War I broke out, and was interned three years later. So this is how "conflict with authority" played out in his case.

posted April 27, 2015 02:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Vajra,

I had similar feelings when reading the Rachel Corrie story. She seemed to be such a bright young woman with a life full of such potential. It seems teens and even 20-somethings can have difficult assessing risk properly, or once their heads are set on something, feeling the internal guidance to avoid certain regrettable outcomes.

I felt both admiration for her and that she'd been a naive youngster.

I think singular acts are not necessarily heroic, particularly when the sacrifice of oneself led to no gain to anyone else. Its much more admirable to see work people have done of unquestionable benefit to others over a period of time. Someone who saves 200,000 people from potential slaughter has done something monumental.

Obviously with John Rabe's chart you can see the Sun-Mars conjunction opposite Pluto. Often, the strongly driving aspects that create this potential for courageous beneficient action could also create something else entirely. Intention guides all actions, not a birth chart.

I would love to see, in cities everywhere and at schools everywhere, promenades of busts or statues of these people lined up with their stories carved in stone beside them. We need role models, not heroes. Young people need to be able to dream big dreams that include others and the entire world benefiting.

Martin Luther King, Jr. is someone who comes to mind, but people should know that there was a very important man who stood behind him mostly behind the scenes, Bayard Rustin. He was born March 17, 1912 in West Chester, Pennsylvania. There is no chart on file at ADB and I know of no birth time.

[b]Again we see Sun, Mars, Pluto in aspect, this time Sun squaring the other two. I think the real meaty core of his chart and aspects would only be revealed with an accurate Asc, since there I see only Jupiter contra-parallel Neptune in the declinations.

He was a pacifist Quaker and student of A. Philip Randolph.

From wikipedia:
As declared pacifists who refused induction into the military, Rustin, Houser, and other members of FOR and CORE were convicted of violating the Selective Service Act. From 1944 to 1946, Rustin was imprisoned in Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary, where he organized protests against segregated dining facilities. During his incarceration, Rustin also organized FOR's Free India Committee. After his release from prison, he was frequently arrested for protesting against British colonial rule in India and Africa.

Not only this, but he was a GAY black man who eventually settled down with a white partner.

At some point, we have to admit that it was not astrology that created their courage and conscience, but their willfull sensitivity to the human condition and a listening ear from conscience linked directly to a helping hand.

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Kannon, great post! Bayard Rustin deserves to be included in this group of extraordinary human beings we've gathered here.

posted April 29, 2015 09:23 AM            

Jews are not a race. That term has been used to persecute us. People are more easily able to persecute a "race" than a religion.

We are a RELIGION. We come from all races. We are a unique cultural group.I will give you that.

However, we are not a race! There are Chinese Jews, American Indian Jews( yes, my friend met one ), Indian Jews( from India), Black Jews( from Ethiopia and everywhere really such as Diana Ross' daughter and Lenny Kravitz)etc

It was funny, I was taking a course in college on Judiasm and I said 'race" and the professor flipped out

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posted April 30, 2015 05:19 PM            

It shouldn't be surprising that Bayard Rustin as a double Pisces had far less notoriety than M.L. King, Malcolm X, Farrakhan, etc. But the man was fantastically talented guy with a great voice. He could have made a good living as a singer, but chose to serve others instead.

posted April 30, 2015 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
[b]Steve Bicko: more angular Pluto with Venus-Jupiter square it and Saturn conjunct it. [/B]

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Kannon, why do you think Biko's Saturn-Pluto conjunction is angular and do you mean any of the four cardinal houses?

posted May 01, 2015 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Kannon, why do you think Biko's Saturn-Pluto conjunction is angular and do you mean any of the four cardinal houses?

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"Angular" does not just refer to a planet positioned in an angular house, but also to aspects by planets that are angular in geometry: conjunctions, squares, oppositions, parallels, contra-parallels.

posted May 02, 2015 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
"Angular" does not just refer to a planet positioned in an angular house, but also to aspects by planets that are angular in geometry: conjunctions, squares, oppositions, parallels, contra-parallels.

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Interesting. I've been around a long time and I've never heard "angular" referred to that way.

But, now I'm confused. You said:

"Steve Bicko: more angular Pluto with Venus-Jupiter square it and Saturn conjunct it."

What do you mean "more angular." There's no TOB for Biko, but 12 hours or so isn't going to make much difference.