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Vajra
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posted April 20, 2015 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 20, 2015 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both Sendler and Schindler have Taurus placements. Lovely.

I think she had a Scorpio ASC with Moon-Mars falling in the 6H.

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posted April 20, 2015 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonderful person and a nice chart too! She did so much for so many...

There are several things, ex. Neptune sextile Mars would indicate that her actions were marked by compassion for others, idalism and serving higher purpose

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posted April 20, 2015 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a Scorpio Rising girl that looks exactly like her in the first picture, but with bigger eyes, probably bc of a trine to Mercury.
I'd definitely go with Scorpio ASC for Irena!

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posted April 20, 2015 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic, and I agree with you and Ami that it is far better to focus on positive examples of admirable individuals putting their birth charts to positive use than to give any more attention to the other.

First we can see that the Moon could have a conjunction and/or parallel with Mars. A great symbol for courage willing to take quick action and not relent in Taurus, which can also be adept at the kinds of detailed practical considerations involved in such important rescue operations.

Moon ranges from about 1TAU22 to 15TAU34, and from 9N26 to 15N01 in declination. With Mars at 16N55 - 17N06 in declination, we can see that it does not make a parallel with the Moon, so we are looking a conjunction with Mars as a very likely factor for courage and action in her chart.

However, mid-Scorpio rising chart (midnight hour) would have Mars opposite/contra-parallel Asc, also a picture of courageous action and determination. In such a chart Moon is in 6th (nursing, health care) as well as parallel MC, and Asc could be CP Pluto. More factors that can indicate a heart for children, public notoriety, as well as courage and determination.

Sun conjunct Venus in Aquarius offers the potential of loving humanitarian focus, and clearly she put this to use. There is also Mars quincunx Jupiter, which can indicate change of fate because of the necessity of quick action.

This image of her showing a more rounded facial outline suggests the possibility of a cardinal signs and/or planets affecting her Asc, but I think fixity by sign is more likely.

Here it is colorized:

By Irena_Sendlerowa_1942.jpg derivative work: stephen1959 [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

The year of her first marriage (1931) saw Jupiter square a (mid-)Scorpio Asc, and the year of her divorce from her first husband (1947) saw Jupiter conjunct/parallel a (mid-)Scorpio Asc, and Pluto square it (from Leo). I think a mid-Scorpio chart is as likely for her as about any other chart that could be considered. A 17 Scorpio Asc would have the declination of 17 South and on the date of her death, 12 May 2008, Pluto was 17S01.

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posted April 20, 2015 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at that Great minds think alike.

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posted April 21, 2015 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good stuff! Its great to give attention to those who truly deserve it.

Vajra, do you have any charts I can try to guess?

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posted April 21, 2015 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries rising.

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posted April 21, 2015 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 21, 2015 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sendler has what I consider to be the toughest aspects in astrology: Saturn-Uranus, Saturn-Neptune, and Saturn-Pluto and a cardinal Grand Cross. A cardinal Grand Cross is about problem solving and crisis intervention.

I agree with Kannon that she probably had a Moon-Mars conjunction, which accounts for her bravery.

She also has a Jupiter-Saturn opposition, which indicates a love of justice. Sun trine Pluto, a strong will.

Although the Saturn-Pluto is a sextile and wide at that, she endured extreme hardship, i.e., imprisonment and torture, which falls under this combination. This is one more example that there is no such thing as "Saturn-Pluto lite."

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posted April 21, 2015 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovely thread, V!

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posted April 21, 2015 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love this thread!

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posted April 21, 2015 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope this thread encourages everyone to stand up against evil.

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posted April 21, 2015 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread, and brilliant observations from every one.

I'm adding some excerpts from Schulman's book on the Nodal Axis, about Irena Sendler's NN/SN placement. She is a perfect example of someone fully embracing their North Node, even transcending it!

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GEMINI NORTH NODE - SAGITTARIUS SOUTH NODE

Here the individual receives an invitation to join society. His soul has come into this life with a past incarnation residue of wildness. As a result, he is unaccustomed to appreciating the point of view of others.

Unaccustomed to all the demands of society, he tries to shrink responsibility.

His past life experiences with people were lacking in the areas of cooperation, sociability and tact.

Through his Gemini North Node, he will now undergo experiences which will force him to see both sides of every issue. In this life, he is destined to learn what the world looks like through the eyes of others.

Through his Gemini North Node, he must learn diplomatically to respect the rights of others if he is to help persevere a society which in prior lives he thought unimportant, but in this life is necessary for his very survival.


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posted April 21, 2015 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Vajra:
In the Manson thread, Ami Anne suggested to concentrate a little more on those historical characters who proved their humanity under very trying circumstances, e.g. by saving Jews and other oppressed people during the Third Reich.

I love it.


This is the chart of Corrie ten Boom, who Ami also mentioned.

She was a woman of amazing character, who also spent time in

the camps after arrest for helping Jews escape the Nazis.



Sun, Moon, and Jupiter (right on cusp of 8th) in FIRE.

Earth Mars.

Venus is exact conj the MC (also conj Neptune and Pluto).

Saturn in the First House, which I've *heard* can imply

hardship.


I've read a couple of her books, but it has been a

very LONG time.

It was another author who cited her in an anecdote

that got me started, I think, with this


Corrie ten Boom: Tapestry

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posted April 21, 2015 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Corrie Ten Boom is a true heroine.

Do you know that at the Holocaust Memorial in Israel, Yad Va Shem, they have a walkway with trees and each tree is dedicated to a Righteous Gentile who saved Jews during the Holocaust.

It gives me the chills, just to write about.

Just because society turns evil, each person is still responsible for his choices

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posted April 21, 2015 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder what the asteroid Ceres did?

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posted April 21, 2015 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Vajra, I have the answer to your 3rd chart in the Manson thread, is it okay if I answer it in here?

It is a no by the way, so I figured it was more appropriate to answer here

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posted April 21, 2015 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 21, 2015 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got it! I'll edit in my analyses soon.

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posted April 21, 2015 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Good points, peony!

Another tidbit I wanted to add to her case study: She did not only save these children physically…she managed to preserve the original names and birth information for each of these children, which was important because all received new identities in hiding and were often too small to remember their original names; and she hid the information safely away in buried jars, with the aim of making it possible later for them to each find their roots again, and ideally reunite them with their parents (which sadly in many cases was impossible, but at least those children could learn after the war who their parents had been). Irena Sendler apparently understood the need to have roots, and valued this so much that she took great additional risk upon her to ensure those children would have access to this knowledge.

I find her feat quite simply mind-blowing. It's marvelous she survived it, too, and lived to a ripe old age despite having been so close to death from the hands of the Gestapo.

Where do you or any of the others see this concern for preserving the birth information of all the children she saved? Where would one look for such an inclination in her chart? I guess many others in her position would not have concerned themselves with such a thing at all, and left it at attempting to save those children's lives (which was already difficult enough to do).


Vajra, it sounds like a 4H theme, the importance she must have attached to the children knowing where they came from and who their parents were. Sun, Mercury, or Saturn in the 4H, but that's just a guess.

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