posted April 30, 2015 10:31 PM            

As always I'll start off the conversation. It's kinda long so I don't expect most of you to read it and that's ok. Feel free to tell me about yourself, your work, and how it relates to your placements.

The Scorpio aspects in me doesn't care to reveal any personal information but after awhile even the Scorpioness doesn't care too much about privacy.

I've been pretty open about wanting to join the Coast Guard. That future career possibility fulfills my Mars in Aries need for action (especially on extreme roles like rescue swimming, direct action, whatever). The military structure makes my Capricorn MC happy with visible, slow steps up the hierarchy (I hate the arbitrary nature of the corporate world). And it fulfills my 11th house NN with the CG's leaning for humanitarian mission.

But what have I done until now? I've hopped around a lot due to always feeling unfulfilled.

My earliest "real world" experience has been in political offices for my district congressman, and interning in law offices when I thought I wanted to be a lawyer. I feel like my Scorpio aspects brought me to those jobs. Didn't take too long to cut that out and decide against law.

I've worked in finance - both in investment banks and in corporate departments. My Capricorn aspects was attracted to the money and the image, MC and Moon. But I didn't fit in. Didn't like the people and purpose.

I should also note I've always been a long weekly hours kind of guy. Even with these jobs I worked nights and weekends in retail, Barnes and Noble. My Jupiter in the 1st house and its studious nature made me a natural in the book selling business. Even when I had great jobs making money I'd keep my ****** $8.25/hr undergraduate Barnes and Noble job for at least Sunday nights because I do genuinely enjoy work. Working 20,30,40,60 or 80 hours is all the same to me. Once I'm in work mode, I work. Pluto and Venus in the 6th house makes work obsessive and both enjoyable for me. I only require that if I work hard that no one bothers me. If I take a 1 and a half or 2 hour break vs 1 hour break I don't expect to be questioned because my work nature should be known.

Eventually I quit both my Finance job and my retail job to do traveling, Jupiter sextiled/trined/something Mercury for a long time and I traveled for 3 months.

But before I traveled I quit my job a little too early. I needed something to do until my travel companions were ready to quit too. So I started a business. It happened very natural. I found myself jobless and bored so I joined up with TaskRabbit and a Bike Messenger company. All orders were by my discretion and eventually I found myself building a small business of repeated clients. Eventually, and in only a few months I had enough repeated clients that I basically ran a Moving/Delivery company to the point I had to recruit friends to do work for me on their off times or friends that did not have a job at the time. I believe my Venus in the 6th house was responsible for the extreme reliability of prior clients to return to me. I still get old clients contacting me. Honestly, I made more money per hour than I did in Finance.

I stopped that service, and traveled.

Returned to NYC and needed a job. I was good at running my own service but my entrepreneurial spirit was gone. It must have been a transit.

About 8 months ago I applied to an Organization Psychology consulting firm and got the job. My pay is actually the lowest it has been in a long time because I'm new to the industry but I am enjoying the work and find myself a natural at it. I worked directly with the head consultant and now with the new head, basically as their executive assistant.

But my personality has been so well suited to the job I've increasingly receive more responsibility and become more influential. Originally I was a paper pushing assistant while my bosses did all the face to face meetings but over time I've become just as well known as them.

We've had a long time contract with a large company and my bosses noticed my ability to make friendships with anyone at work (Venus in the 6th) and that is directly leading me to more of a "leadership" role. At this point a lot of my work involves managing relationships, advising my boss about relationships in the work place, and cultivating a "community" in the work place since this company keeps buying other companies and no one knows each other. My job is increasingly, along with another department, to get people to know each other. I also have to process a lot of legal crap but that's a temporary aspect thankfully.

Very fun, and astrology is very useful. Venus in the 6th helps me build the relationships in the work place which is valuable to an Organizational Psychology firm. My Pluto in the 6th has made me ok with basically working from 9-9 earning a lot of respect from my superiors, and my 1st house Jupiter trine MC has again proven that my bosses will generally like me.

The only problem is Venus in the 6th keeps getting me into work place romances which is kinda difficult if my job is all about work place relationships.

I've already had one fling with a co worker (granted I didn't know she was a coworker because she was new and I ran into her in a bar before she even started...) and tonight I was involved in an after work social event and I left with a coworker, mostly because she didn't know how to get back home so I offered to walk her, and I swear, I can sense that familiar Mars/Venus in Gemini energy that always causes romantic links for me expressing itself in synastry with my Mars in Aries/Venus in Libra energy.

But anyway, if I don't get in the CG (I feel like I will, it's gotta be destiny!! Neptune conjunct my NN just started today)

I'll definitely pursue a career in Organizational Psychology. There's a pattern - I'm surrounded by Scorpio's like me. There are Virgos too. But the field seems to be very Scorpio, other water, and Virgo dominated with Leo's popping up because they are attracted in analyzing leadership techniques as well.

posted May 01, 2015 01:02 AM            

Pluto in 6th wants to completely "submerge" itself in the job. But not just any job, but a job that will transform the individual's personality somehow.

Venus in 6th wants the "ideal" job with the ideal environment etc.

These 3 planets demand BIG stuff.

Your constant switching and changing of jobs I suspect,has to to with all of them working together.And explains the lack of "fulfillment" you speak of.

I wonder if you have any other planets sitting on the MC or aspecting it- besides the trine?

Jupiter's influence on the ASC/MC, has you searching for "something" intangible that will impact others in a HUGE away.

You are not interested in playing small. And you may not be sure what that thing is really.But you are certain that you destined for something BIG.

Pluto in 6th can work hard at a mundane job(no doubt that you have demonstrated that).But is just too powerful and too big for a 6th house small pond.

So what can happen here is that there could also be power-struggles at work,wanting complete autonomy over what you do and barking at authority that dare questions you.

This position also results in being "cold turkey" when it comes to work.

Because after some time,Pluto says "okay, this is boring" and you want something new,challenging and definitely more psychologically involving than what you have currently.

The Venus in 6th is also looking for the ideal job. But in differing ways.

It is looking for a place to express some sort of creativity or to "fall in love" with what one does on a daily basis.

Remember that Pluto in 6th wants to be personally transformed by the job. The job has to deepen their personal insight-somehow.

Venus wants to fall in-love with the job. The job is like their "marriage" partner etc.

Jupiter is looking for the ever elusive meaningfulness of it all.Not money,not accolades,but something that is spiritual in nature really.

So I reckon you will be wrestling to satisfy these 3 your whole career life through.

Venus in 6th/Jupiter Asc/Jupiter MC makes you a hit at work. You really understand relationships there and it can help make you popular.

Pluto in 6th is your major playing card. It has the effect of either threatening your superiors at one time or having them respect you.

Pluto has up/down effects. And can be the most temperamental of all;Suddenly deciding that "this is not good enough" and leaving etc.

However,I do think that you could be well on your way to satisfying your Pluto in 6th house urge with the job you are in.

You say that it is filled with analytical Virgo's,regal Leo's and investigative Scorpios? That sounds like a Pluto field.

Be careful of power struggles though. Venus and Jupiter may make you the "nice guy", but Pluto is not exactly cruel,but very intimidating.

So some people may see that energy and respond to that in a not so nice way;even try to overpower or undermine you in some way.

posted May 01, 2015 02:55 AM            

I know I need to go off on my own. I love working online. It's all communication, and constant refinement of communication. I love how creative and innovative you have to be to get what you want (which is to be known). I just don't know what I want to do.

I need my own project- my own baby I can obsess over so I can let other people be who they are. I need somewhere to bury my passions, so I'm not throwing my passions about in inappropriate ways.

Taurus Moon/MC
Leo AC/Mercury/Jupiter
Gemini Mars (11)
Virgo NN/Saturn (2)

lol. I need to go to bed, but I keep getting up to edit!

Vedic placements (because I have really been looking at vedic for my future career choices)

posted May 01, 2015 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Odd, I made out a response and then felt like deleting it. Since so many people do that I guess I'll do it, too, and see what it feels like.

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posted May 01, 2015 03:55 AM            

For the past 2-3 years I've been in a senior management position (I suspect this was to practice my 1H NN), but since last year I've been realising how corrupt, restraining and lifeless the corporate world is so I'm hoping to make my exit very soon.

I want to work in the human rights area (11H Stellium, Pisces NN), and have been volunteering in 3 places - it's been amazing.

posted May 01, 2015 05:14 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
That's hilarious. How does it feel?

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I'll tell you tomorrow (or as soon as I remember).

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I am going to delete this in a few hours so please don't quote me.

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Why would you put that much work into making that only to delete it in a few hours?

Also, just for clarification (you can email me if you wish though then you can't delete) why does hearing you're volunteers infuriate you?

posted May 01, 2015 05:33 AM            

Why would I put that much info up to delete is a good question. First, I love talking about myself, even when I think I shouldn't. Second, maybe in the future when Koho and I are talking nodes/career path like we often are he'll have more detail to work with. Maybe Aries23 will see it before I delete and can offer some insight.

posted May 01, 2015 05:45 AM            

I think it's a flippant response to be told by organizers that "you're a volunteer." What they're otherwise saying is, "My way or the highway" and "I don't care if you stay or leave, but shut up." Damn, I'm getting infuriated just thinking of someone in charge telling me that!

And that's the mark of someone who doesn't really give a damn about the actual stated purpose (beyond how it looks on paper) and probably in it for the grant money and tax bennies.

I did know someone who exploited volunteers and won grants from it only to essentially embezzle a lot of it which destroyed a food bank program I used to volunteer at, and he was also obnoxious but I tried to ignore him as there were others also in charged, almost all somewhat paid positions (and they used the grant money to hire a couple of essentials) from the grants and donations but those who really cared were stupid enough to put him in charge of the books "as that's what he was good at" and no one else wanted to be bothered with all the math, they figured he was a preacher then he was trustworthy no matter how unpleasant he was. Suckers. One told me that if they ever got the program up and running again they were going to have 3 people on the books rather than just one but it's too late and if they've started up the program again I don't know about it (I kept up with one involved for years after it shut down but then he moved and I don't talk to the others).

posted May 01, 2015 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

I did know someone who exploited volunteers and won grants from it only to essentially embezzle a lot of it which destroyed a food bank program

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ARGH. Hope karma got/gets him.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I wish I could do that comment between quotes thing....

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When you quote someone you need to surround the text with (I'll put spaces in the brackets to avoid actually quoting) :

[ QUOTE ] Originally posted by name of person : [ B ] this bolds the text you're quoting, you can drop it if you want to. Then when you've finished quoting, just put [ /B ] [ /QUOTE ] and you're done. It's easier to copy-paste rather than type it out for each piece of text you're quoting

So it should look like (without the spaces in the brackets) -

[ QUOTE ] Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: [ B ]

Text Text Text

posted May 01, 2015 06:56 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Thought I'd reply in case you delete by tomorrow.

I think it's a flippant response to be told by organizers that "you're a volunteer." What they're otherwise saying is, "My way or the highway" and "I don't care if you stay or leave, but shut up." Damn, I'm getting infuriated just thinking of someone in charge telling me that!

And that's the mark of someone who doesn't really give a damn about the actual stated purpose (beyond how it looks on paper) and probably in it for the grant money and tax bennies.

I did know someone who exploited volunteers and won grants from it only to essentially embezzle a lot of it which destroyed a food bank program I used to volunteer at, and he was also obnoxious but I tried to ignore him as there were others also in charged, almost all somewhat paid positions (and they used the grant money to hire a couple of essentials) from the grants and donations but those who really cared were stupid enough to put him in charge of the books "as that's what he was good at" and no one else wanted to be bothered with all the math, they figured he was a preacher then he was trustworthy no matter how unpleasant he was. Suckers. One told me that if they ever got the program up and running again they were going to have 3 people on the books rather than just one but it's too late and if they've started up the program again I don't know about it (I kept up with one involved for years after it shut down but then he moved and I don't talk to the others).

Now how and I why I left the library I used to volunteer at (that's where 20 people promised to show up, and they got 20 figuring at least half would flake out, but panicked when not a single one showed up and that's how I first got pulled in when a librarian called me in a panic to come down) is an interesting story but not one I feel like sharing right now. I just want to go back to bed which I'm gonna do now after a quick proofread.

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I had a feeling I should put we are volunteers in quotes, because that's what they say about themselves. They are truly good and well meaning people. What's happening is my generation is now old enough, settled enough, and willing to get involved. There are a lot of changes that need to be made so that this program can survive and grow, but the younger generation is met with a lot of resistance from the founders. And some battles end with the founders and directors feeling defensive and saying "well we're all just volunteers". True, and...

I'm really deleting now, and since you're sleeping, you'll probably never see this

Your story makes me feel lucky. The people I work with are family. I love them and their efforts. I just get impatient.

posted May 01, 2015 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
When you quote someone you need to surround the text with (I'll put spaces in the brackets to avoid actually quoting) :

[ QUOTE ] Originally posted by name of person : [ B ] this bolds the text you're quoting, you can drop it if you want to. Then when you've finished quoting, just put [ /B ] [ /QUOTE ] and you're done. It's easier to copy-paste rather than type it out for each piece of text you're quoting

So it should look like (without the spaces in the brackets) -

[ QUOTE ] Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: [ B ]

Text Text Text

[ /B ] [ /QUOTE ]

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Thank you thank you thank you SaturnFan. You have now revolutionized my LL posting experience.

posted May 01, 2015 07:16 AM            

So on LL I sometimes have the chance to work things out by posting. It works better for me than journaling because if I don't think anyone is going to read what I write, I might just get lost, go around in circles, etc. Koho usually posts the questions I need to be asking myself, so I love his posts.

posted May 01, 2015 07:46 AM            

The Art of Criticial Decision Making
Effective Communication

Both are from the Great Courses series and very good. I suggest getting the Audible versions and listening to them on commute. Even if you know this stuff I prepare for the work day by listening to a chapter or a few throughout the workday to keep techniques in mind.

I'm also a Pisces 11th House NN and like Aries pointed out, it too plays a factor in my job hopping. The corporate world is not satisfying. My current company is the best in terms of helping the world that I've been in but still not my ideal way of helping.

I'm turning to the Coast Guard to fulfill the humanitarian 11th house and Pisces empathy of basically helping people in crisis. I've got my eye on the top and it feels right. Have you found something that feels right?

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Aries, I was very happy to see your reply. It's always insightful and on point and this one is no exception. I do encourage you to talk about yourself if you're even slightly inclined but either way many will benefit with having you commenting. Here's the rest of my MC stuff -
Midheaven 25°58' Capricorn

Midheaven Aspects Capricorn
Jupiter trine Midheaven orb +6°27'
Sun sextile Midheaven orb +5°14'
Mars sextile Midheaven orb +5°27'
Pluto quintile Midheaven orb +1°07'

Lucky for me is I've never had a power struggle. My personality pushes forward all the time for more responsibility because like you said, I quickly get bored. I've had the fortune of having bosses that value (even if slightly annoyed) my proactive nature. I am also very careful about managing the relationship so I can keep moving up for as long as I can without threatening a superior.

Someday that'll change and I'll have to leap over someone for the power position I want to have but it'll be the exception and not the rule of my mode.

I'm sure if I had just stuck to one of my jobs I would be very far along in my career already but that need to fulfill all those aspects at once is too great of a pine. But I do feel the Coast Guard will satisfy all of it for me and I'm buckling down at those point with Pluto finishing up my 9th house and heading into the 10th in a year or two or more.

And once in I'm absolutely not there to play. It's going to be that Pluto engine in me all the time so one day I'll come back to you and tell you Pluto has begun causing power struggles. I know it's going to happen. Venus, Taurus Asc and Jupiter-MC can take me far with niceties but eventually somewhere down the road Pluto will be what gets me to the next step.

You're also right that the Jupiter energy on the MC has created idealism. Not joining the CG for the safe life of job security. Ideas popped in my head, idealist stuff, of what I think the future role of the military will be and I want to be in a position to place and push my agenda. And that purpose, which ties into my NN in the 11th/Pisces is probably one of my biggest tucked away hopes.

As for Venus in the 6th, I don't think I'll ever marry because as you said, work is kinda like my partner. It's what I think about all the time. But if I do get in the CG, and I meet a strong, driven lady who has plans to be married to the CG as well then I'd consider that partnership. But the career comes first - ideally for both of us.

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Venus, I saved your post in a word if you're ok with that. The context would be interesting for future talk. I'll get back to you tonight

posted May 01, 2015 09:00 AM            

I wanted to do a North node/South Node analysis of your positions. But I fear an essay would result

@Venus-
Maybe Aries23 will see it before I delete and can offer some insight.

posted May 01, 2015 10:19 AM            

Aries23, That's exactly what it is. And so you know you have an open invitation to pick me apart, tear me down, and hold me upside down by my ankles (that last one just sounds fun) I can take it from anyone. I want it from you.

posted May 01, 2015 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Aries23, That's exactly what it is. And so you know you have an open invitation to pick me apart, tear me down, and hold me upside down by my ankles (that last one just sounds fun) I can take it from anyone. I want it from you.

And I think I can speak for both Koho and myself when I say, your essays are as welcome as steak and potatoes, ice cream and cake, and everything yummy. Koho might not put it quite like that...

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Well, it won't be long But there are certain things that caught my attention.

That Mercury/Jupiter Asc Leo combo was one. That NN/Saturn in Virgo was another.

And then you spoke about encouraging people to use "common sense". I found that so apt with Virgo NN and Mercury in House 1.

Virgo/Mercury energy I have found gets most irritated with "stupidity" or the lack of mental care in speech,writing or action.

Now Moon on the MC is interesting. This is an erratic position that can have one being viewed as very kind, nurturing and committed in one instance. But also liable to take things personally,prickly and defensive on the other.

I also found your choice of words interesting.You used the word "baby" to describe how you feel about projects.

And this is totally Moon in 10th; a tendency to personalize one's ambitions and passions. Nurturing them into something that provides some kind of security for ones sense of "peace".

Now Saturn in Virgo in 2nd prefers to work from facts-rather than emotive persuasion or passionate displays in arguments.

Some may interpret this energy as arrogant as there is a tendency for one to be especially critical/notice faults very easily.

2nd house is also how we build our mental security. And Saturn here suggests that this is a long, well thought out process that lasts and lasts.

"Common sense" is not so common.And none is more aware of that than Saturn in 2nd.

posted May 01, 2015 03:19 PM            

I was a nurse, I used to volunteer in animal shelters, women shelters...etc... Right now some of my friends and I run a non-profit group. I play around with stocks and property investments (not a pro by any mean), but so far so good (must be the cap placements - I deal with money quite well).

I'm an amateur silversmith and dress maker. Sometimes I paint or do woodwork. I like working with my hands (taurus mars and a bunch of earth placements).

I "write" kiddie picture books. It's a new thing. Well not too new since I'be been doing that for ages, it just never occurred to me that I should show them to someone. My s.o found them and that was where it all started (his planets madly aspect my MC). I have sag mercury and aries moon trine leo jupiter. I love children's books the most. They make me feel like a child again.

I'm studying, but right now is not the ideal time to continue. Oh well I still have plenty of time and a long list of what I want to do.

I like to move, change jobs/career paths. I just like changes, although I also want to have a few constants in my life. Itchy feet syndrome. Mercury conjunct uranus, my mind jumps from one thing to another very quickly. With a stressed moon, I like to feel thrilled and excited with new ideas, new places. So I like to "start" projects, not to stay with them.

posted May 01, 2015 04:47 PM            

Pisces MC: been nowhere, going nowhere! I've been forever adrift looking for that special career that will satisfy the undefinable longings of my soul. I have Neptune in Sagittarius, so whatever these elusive longings are - it's big... GRAND... ReachingForTheStars optimistic... And very possibly, deluded. Lol.

Gemini sun conjunct ASC with mercury also in gem: double majored in college. Accounting and computer science. I didn't finish it (hahaha - typical!) I had a love hate relationship with computer science, but accounting was just painful. The potential money was attractive especially for my venus in Taurus and moon in cap, but no ways were those majors gonna satisfy that Neptune of mine.

Saturn exalted in libra in a tight trine with my sun/asc, and moon in cap square Saturn: must finish what she starts. Went back to college, changed majors, still not quite happy. Huh!

Moon and Neptune in the 7th house: always been attracted to psychology or one on one counseling, but way too far into a business or math and science degree. Huh! Stupid Neptune. Soooo... I thought to myself, computer science... artificial intelligence... That sort of combines psychology and my current career goal. Still... Doesn't feel completely right yet. Will it ever?!

Ruler of my 10th house in my 7th also suggests business partnerships, and I do love strategizing and brainstorming with a competent partner. Venustotinkerbell, hey there!! Nice to meet ya! Wanna be my business partner?! I'm gonna post our synastry in the thread you started.

Co-ruler of my 10th house (and the ruler of my 7th) in Scorpio making a wide out of sign conjunction to Pluto: while my Taurus venus is all about comfort and pleasure (translation: lazy!), I will obsess, perfect, and refine anything I have committed to. If only I could figure out what to commit to! I can totally see sequestering myself into a room while I code the next FB!

Uranus, ruler of my house of higher education, philosophy, religion and expansiveness in my 6th house. Well now, no average "job" will do! So, why self are your wasting you time pursuing dead ends. Blaze a trail! Revolutionize business as we know it!

Mercury in the 12th: impossible dreamer.

Back to my moon, ruler of my second house. She waits patiently as I cast about for her opportunity to be the super cap she is!

posted May 01, 2015 07:02 PM            

A long time ago, I worked in food service. I love the business and wish I could earn more money in that line of work but service doesn't exactly pay well & I have a family.

I started in an entry-level position and I worked very quickly into management. They were literally waiting for me to turn 18 to promote me to assistant manager of our restaurant. By age 19 I wanted to move because my boss was sexually harassing me, but they wouldn't move me as they said there was nothing open for me elsewhere. I walked off the job.

Three weeks later I was asked to move to a different region and I wouldn't just get my own location to manage ... I was given FOUR locations, including the company's original and highest earning spot. They also paid relocation and my temporary housing. I made it that far because I was vocal about what I wanted. For example, what led to my first promotion was me saying, "I do not want to sweep floors and wash dishes anymore. I am capable of more. Do you think I can get promoted?"

And so I was.

Once I had children, I could not bring myself to leave them in daycare (my husband had left me). My son did spend about a week in daycare when I started a new job, but I was so miserable I quit. No job, no parents/siblings to help and in a foreign country I had to act fast. Somehow I stumbled on the idea that people were working online by telecommuting. This was in 2002, so keep in mind most people using the internet only knew how to use AOL and that's about it. Working from home is not something that was mainstream information.

So for the last 13-14 years, I have worked from home in a variety of telecommuting roles. I have done everything from background screening to virtual assisting. I was a medical and legal transcriptionist for a while too, but my typing speed is surprisingly slow even after all of this work on a computer. Anyway, right now I work in one of the major outplacement firms. basically, we are hired by corporations after a reduction in force so that we can help the former employees find work fast. Our services include job search tools, coaching, resume writing, LinkedIn support, etc... and as you can imagine with all of that, there is a lot of communication involved.

All of that said, there are themes:

Helping people
Customer service
Sharing expertise
Working outside of the normal "9 to 5"
Working alone and not in the office
Communication

Aquarius rules my sixth house which isn't just about health, but also daily routines, work life, etc. I'd say that is my draw to the unconventional work routine. Uranus makes some contact with my Sun & Asc but I think the most influential aspect is its opposition with my MC. This very much gives me the need to work independently and my own way. On a side note, I hope to work as an astrologer at some point, also affiliated with having Aquarius ruling H6 (IMO).

I have a Virgo sun, which explains how I like to help people and be of service helping others. Chiron is prominent in my chart as well: conjunct MC, inconjunct moon, trine Sun, trine Mercury, opposite Venus, opposite Uranus, square Jupiter, trine Saturn, biquintile Neptune. I think I was born to heal others and why I get so emotionally involved in my work.

The focus on communication is probably my H3 stellium.

posted May 01, 2015 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

Venustotinkerbell, hey there!! Nice to meet ya! Wanna be my business partner?! I'm gonna post our synastry in the thread you started.

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Nice to meet you too!

I haven't looked at our synastry yet. I promise I will.

I like the way you tell a story. Let me interview you.

I have 15 questions.

1. Why do you want to be my business partner?

I'll figure out the other 14 questions (edit) as we go forward

Edit again: You know what? I looked at our synastry, and I kind of see what you are saying. Let's talk about it on the other thread.

posted May 01, 2015 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Well, it won't be long But there are certain things that caught my attention.

That Mercury/Jupiter Asc Leo combo was one. That NN/Saturn in Virgo was another.

And then you spoke about encouraging people to use "common sense". I found that so apt with Virgo NN and Mercury in House 1.

Virgo/Mercury energy I have found gets most irritated with "stupidity" or the lack of mental care in speech,writing or action.

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This is true. I can be very playful, even careless when I'm not working. But it's a completely different story when I am working

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Now Moon on the MC is interesting. This is an erratic position that can have one being viewed as very kind, nurturing and committed in one instance. But also liable to take things personally,prickly and defensive on the other.

I also found your choice of words interesting.You used the word "baby" to describe how you feel about projects.

And this is totally Moon in 10th; a tendency to personalize one's ambitions and passions. Nurturing them into something that provides some kind of security for ones sense of "peace".

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I like to think of myself as a kind nurturing person, but then I really wonder. It's true I do take things personally. It's seriously nuts. Question something I have done, and I feel like you are questioning everything I stand for. It sounds totally irrational, but I just can't help but think, 'do you think I'm an idiot'

When I don't know something I ask, until I understand. If I don't ask, I know what I'm doing.

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Now Saturn in Virgo in 2nd prefers to work from facts-rather than emotive persuasion or passionate displays in arguments.

Some may interpret this energy as arrogant as there is a tendency for one to be especially critical/notice faults very easily.

2nd house is also how we build our mental security. And Saturn here suggests that this is a long, well thought out process that lasts and lasts.

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I do like the solid facts, but I like a little drama too. I guess I like my delivery to be calm and factual, but I do enjoy leaving my opponents speechless. They probably pick up my enjoyment, and this confirms their negative ideas about me. I am not proud of these urges, but what's the point of being dishonest? Why freaking breathe if I'm not going to face myself?

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"Common sense" is not so common.And none is more aware of that than Saturn in 2nd.

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Thank you Aries. I love your words.

posted May 02, 2015 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
So on LL I sometimes have the chance to work things out by posting. It works better for me than journaling because if I don't think anyone is going to read what I write, I might just get lost, go around in circles, etc. Koho usually posts the questions I need to be asking myself, so I love his posts.

I might post/delete more because half the time my reason for posting is completely self serving.

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Thanks so much for this! I can understand that! Not that I do it but at least I won't feel so baffled by it anymore.

As for how I feel about deleting my own post for no conceivable reason other than I felt like it...I don't know. It's just a vaguely interesting experience. I might repost later, I don't know...I need to figure out WHY I felt like deleting, which I don't yet know...but then maybe posting again will bring those feelings up so I can examine them more closely!

Ah, we humans are a strange lot.