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Topic: Gender stereotypes and your chart
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Belba
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posted June 01, 2015 01:40 PM
  
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Originally posted by Selenite:
My big 3 are Sag/Aries/Leo
In Pullen 1) Sag; 2) Scorpio; 3) Aries
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1) Jupiter; 2) Sun; 3) MarsI got: 61/100 masculine points
70/100 feminine points
60/100 androgynous points
Did you expect feminine to be the highest? (even though they're actually very balanced) Just looking at the data you wrote, one wouldn't predict it. How's your masculine/feminine ratio in your natal chart?
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Aunt Anomalia
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posted June 01, 2015 01:46 PM
Belba, what houses does your Mercury rule? Any other Virgo or Gemini placements? What about your Nodes? Any connection to Saturn/Cap/10th house?Anyway, it seems to me Capricorn energy has potential to be gender neutral or androgyny. The sign is considered to be yin but the ruler is definitely a guy.
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Belba
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posted June 01, 2015 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Cap sun/asc, aries moon. 74/100 masculine points 53/100 for both feminine and androgynous I feel pretty neutral. Although ever since I was little I've hated being told that I'm supposed to do/think certain things and to be a certain way just because I'm female. Nahh you shouldnt climb trees or focus too much on education. Should just speak softly, smile, be obedient, cook and clean and look pretty.
That's the spirit!  it seems like women with strong cardinal energy (perhaps with the exception of Cancers?) are most likely to feel that way, at least that's what I've noticed until now I also have issues with Cap being feminine sign, but that's another subject altogether  IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia
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posted June 01, 2015 01:49 PM
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I also have issues with Cap being feminine sign, but that's another subject altogether
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Belba
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posted June 01, 2015 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
 BelbaSo basically I'm somewhere in the middle... I always get something like 50:50 on these tests - probably because of my Venus trine Mars aspect.
I'm not sure how relevant they are though lol I mean a lot of these things could be either masculine or feminine or both.
Hm, interesting... What about other "yin/yang" aspects in your chart, are they also harmonic? If I understand you correctly, if a person has, for instance, Moon-Mars square, Sun-Moon opposition etc., he wouldn't be as balanced and would have a prevalent prejudice towards one gender and subsequently the traits connected with it? Depending the strength of masculine/feminine planets?
Well, you, who are very open minded, might think the characteristics listed are ambiguous, but to me it seems that most are really apparently connected to stereotypes of masculinity and femininity... We must also consider the originating date of the test - 1971, a bit has changed from then, at least I hope so but still, it would be fun to do a thread classifying this traits. IP: Logged |
Belba
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posted June 01, 2015 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[QUOTE]I also have issues with Cap being feminine sign, but that's another subject altogether
Mind blend [/QUOTE] Exactly! Mercury rules my 4H and 5H. I have Virgo Venus and Gemini Mars - a lot of Mercury all in all. NN in Aqua, in 12H which is ruled by Cap and its cusp conjuncts Saturn - maybe there's a tiny link. NN sextiles Midheaven. Mars opposing MC might be a factor. There are little hints to androgyny in my chart. I wholeheartedly agree with you about the Cap's potential. The first association of Capricorn woman in my head are women in suits when that was not yet acceptable, think Marlene Dietrich, tomboyish Katharine Hepburn, stern Simone de Beauvoir IP: Logged |
Nelys
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posted June 01, 2015 03:37 PM
I got this:You scored 51.667 out of 100 masculine points, 86.842 out of 100 feminine points, and 70 out of 100 androgynous (neutral) points. IP: Logged |
Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted June 01, 2015 04:15 PM
73 masculine
70 feminine
69 androgynousI'd say I'm a good balance. My scores are real close to each other. My dominant planets are the rulers of my big three. Dominant planets: (color horoscope-based) Mercury, Moon, Sun,
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Selenite
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posted June 01, 2015 05:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Belba:
Did you expect feminine to be the highest? (even though they're actually very balanced)Just looking at the data you wrote, one wouldn't predict it. How's your masculine/feminine ratio in your natal chart?
I did, because I am really in tune with my emotions these days. But I used to think of myself as 'masculine' and take pride in having the least emotion possible, for whatever reason.
There are 9 feminine and 5 masculine placements in my natal including NN, AC and MC. With just planets there are 6 feminine and 4 masculine. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 01, 2015 06:07 PM
edit I think feminism is a really sticky issue, best for really long conversations in a friendly setting... Don't want to offend anyone. quote:
Originally posted by Belba:
.... if I remember correctly your Moon is squared by Sag Mercury and Gemini Mars?
Wow, good memory! My t-square is the Pisces moon, Gemini Mars, Sag Neptune. Mercury in Aquarius. quote:
Originally posted by Belba:
The questionaire is curious indeed. It would be interesting to see how they calculate the result.
I thought perhaps the answers were weighted so that gender-specific questions counted more towards your final score than gender-neutral questions. quote:
Originally posted by Belba:
Flatterable would definitely be a "feminine" characteristic
Little do they know, it's a Leo characteristic! quote:
Originally posted by Belba:
Hm, I doubt I ever answered "never" or "always"... How sceptical I am of my own nature
That's commendable! But Pluto is transiting on my sun, I'm all revved up and wanting to hit those "Always" buttons. (If I can't be an extremist now, then when?)  IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted June 01, 2015 08:05 PM
61 feminine
59 androgynous
51 masculineMy dominant planets are Pluto, Uranus, and Mars
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Seimei
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posted June 01, 2015 08:24 PM
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Seimei
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posted June 01, 2015 08:37 PM
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ScorpioMoon
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posted June 01, 2015 09:48 PM
You scored 55 out of 100 masculine points, 64.167 out of 100 feminine points, and 69.167 out of 100 androgynous (neutral) points.This seems pretty accurate to me. Oh yeah, my most dominant planets are Moon, then Mercury, then Neptune. Cancer Sun in the 4th house Conjunct Chiron/Mercury/Jupiter, Opposite Uranus/Neptune, Trine Pluto Scorpio Moon in the 8th house Sextile Saturn Pisces ASC Trine Sun, Square moon, Sextile Saturn Venus in Gemini in the 3rd house unaspected Mars in Aries in the 1st house Square Saturn/Jupiter IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted June 01, 2015 09:54 PM
32 masculine
79 feminine
60 androgynousThere were decimals after those numbers but I forgot them lol. I think I am high on feminine because of my Virgo rising and cancer moon. I also only have two planets in my entire chart in "masculine" signs and they are in Aquarius, which a lot of descriptions seem to interpret as an androgynous sign... Which gets to my next point... I have my sun and Mercury in Aquarius which I think is why I scored second highest on androgynous. But I agree with you. Feminine and masculine are just social constructs. IP: Logged |
Jo B
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posted June 01, 2015 11:35 PM
83 masculine
70 femininine
63 adrogynous.I'm a woman. lol. But I'm not surprised by the results really. I've looked after myself for a long time now so you get used to being independent and assertive. Libra Asc, Aqua moon, Leo mars, venus and MC probably accounts for the masculine side of me. Virgo sun, mercury, uranus, pluto and Scorpio neptune for the feminine. IP: Logged |
Nelys
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posted June 02, 2015 08:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nelys:
I got this:You scored 51.667 out of 100 masculine points, 86.842 out of 100 feminine points, and 70 out of 100 androgynous (neutral) points.
Oops! I forgot to add my ruling planet info but I'm having a hard time figuring out what they are. The Pullen delineation says Mercury, Pluto, & Jupiter. Here's a handy Pullen dispositor chart:  I have LOTS of ruling planets, apparently. :-P
Ruling signs are Scorpio, Sagittarius, and Libra.
Big 3: Gemini AC, Sagittarius Sun, Scorpio Moon.
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PixieJane
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posted June 02, 2015 11:05 AM
"You scored 67.5 out of 100 masculine points, 64.167 out of 100 feminine points, and 55 out of 100 androgynous (neutral) points."Sounds about right, and probably as accurate as they could get with a quiz aimed at the general populace. Given my Libra (Scorpio cusp) stellium balanced against my Sag stellium with Scorpio Jupiter in between it also makes sense (though I do think upbringing had a bit to do with it as well). That said, I'm curious what gender "jealous" and "happy" and "inefficient" are supposed to be since I think those characteristics transcend gender (though I do think females are much more likely to express or admit to them and maybe that's what the creator was thinking of, something of a trick question). I also wasn't sure of what "childlike" meant (could mean dependent, dominated by feelings that are often out of proportion, or could mean playful, adaptive, and a risk taker who focuses more on the potential rewards over risks) as well as which gender so I went neutral on that one. IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted June 02, 2015 11:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
"You scored 67.5 out of 100 masculine points, 64.167 out of 100 feminine points, and 55 out of 100 androgynous (neutral) points."Sounds about right, and probably as accurate as they could get with a quiz aimed at the general populace. Given my Libra (Scorpio cusp) stellium balanced against my Sag stellium with Scorpio Jupiter in between it also makes sense (though I do think upbringing had a bit to do with it as well). That said, I'm curious what gender "jealous" and "happy" and "inefficient" are supposed to be since I think those characteristics transcend gender (though I do think females are much more likely to express or admit to them and maybe that's what the creator was thinking of, something of a trick question). I also wasn't sure of what "childlike" meant (could mean dependent, dominated by feelings that are often out of proportion, or could mean playful, adaptive, and a risk taker who focuses more on the potential rewards over risks) as well as which gender so I went neutral on that one.
Hmm. I like the trick question idea. Maybe the point was to have most people score in the middle of each gender role and have us think and talk about gender stereotypes? I agree with what other people have been saying; that the whole test doesn't really make sense or seem like it could actually measure our masculinity/femininity/androgyneity.
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birdsong
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posted June 02, 2015 02:38 PM
Fun test According to this test I am:
45 percent masculine
89,4 feminine
54,1 androgynous (neutral) My top 3 are two times feminine and one masculine, dominant planet is Saturn, followed by Neptune and Mercury, dominant signs: Capricorn, Pisces, Virgo (according to Pullen). My chart is 90% yin and 10% yang according to astrotheme¨? I'm a;
ASC in Cancer
Sun in Pisces
Moon in Capricorn
Mercury in Aquarius
Venus in Pisces
Mars in Taurus
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BellaFenice
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posted June 02, 2015 04:43 PM
Interesting!82.5 out of 100 Masculine
74.1 out of 100 Feminine
65 out of 100 Androgynous Not surprised by these results. I really like the point above about social constructs, because masculinity and femininity is based upon societal framing and expectations. And when you take both of them out of the societal viewpoint, what does it truly mean to be masculine or feminine? Should they even be defined (I don't personally think so)? Saturn, Venus, Mars (in that order) and also
Capricorn, Aries, Taurus as my dominants. quote:
That's commendable! But Pluto is transiting on my sun, I'm all revved up and wanting to hit those "Always" buttons. (If I can't be an extremist now, then when?)
LMAO. I feel like I have to tell myself not to do this everyday as a first house stellium. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted June 02, 2015 06:45 PM
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bansheequeen
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posted June 04, 2015 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Interesting!82.5 out of 100 Masculine
74.1 out of 100 Feminine
65 out of 100 Androgynous Not surprised by these results. I really like the point above about social constructs, because masculinity and femininity is based upon societal framing and expectations. And when you take both of them out of the societal viewpoint, what does it truly mean to be masculine or feminine? Should they even be defined (I don't personally think so)? Saturn, Venus, Mars (in that order) and also
Capricorn, Aries, Taurus as my dominants. LMAO. I feel like I have to tell myself not to do this everyday as a first house stellium.
Also astrology was based around that social construct. So certain traits were considered masculine or feminine and affixed onto certain signs. Introspective? Feminine. Loud? Masculine. Doesn't really work like that. Those are personality traits, not gender traits.... Same with being shy, outgoing, quiet, gentle, caring, adventurous, inclusive, careful, planning, emotional, jealous (I don't know how this one is one gender or another! Was this supposed to be male or female or both? Lol) etc. Because if those stereotypes were true... I don't know. Men and women wouldnot be able to stand eachother haha. IP: Logged |
barbriallen
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posted June 04, 2015 11:02 PM
Masculine 70
Feminine 70
Androgynous 60My top three planets
1. Neptune
2. Venus
3. Jupiter My top three signs
1. Pisces
2. Aquarius
3. Aries IP: Logged |
Belba
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posted June 05, 2015 07:40 AM
Thrilled by the great response the topic has! will be back soon to discuss some of your answers... IP: Logged |
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