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Topic: Gender stereotypes and your chart
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Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 12:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Selenite: I did, because I am really in tune with my emotions these days. But I used to think of myself as 'masculine' and take pride in having the least emotion possible, for whatever reason. There are 9 feminine and 5 masculine placements in my natal including NN, AC and MC. With just planets there are 6 feminine and 4 masculine. 
Makes sense oh and also I wanted to tell you that I really like your posts, I've remembered your nickname by that I always agree with you  IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 12:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: edit I think feminism is a really sticky issue, best for really long conversations in a friendly setting... Don't want to offend anyone.
It's okay if you don't want to discuss feminist topics, although you are indirectly already doing that by posting in this thread Feminism is my primary world view by which I think, feel and act, so I cannot separate it from anything I write here on LL quote: Originally posted by Faith: That's commendable! But Pluto is transiting on my sun, I'm all revved up and wanting to hit those "Always" buttons. (If I can't be an extremist now, then when?) 
Oh, I do get extremism, I've learned a thing or two about it since my Moon progressed to Scorpio I think it's great that you're that confident and self-assure, and that you stand by some of the values/virtues, that's what I wanted you to know IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 12:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Seimei: Belba, my comment here is not about your decision to make this post. But I think all such test are crap and not worth an aviating coitus or a Rattus Derriere, now having said that. M 86.8 F 65.1 A 64.3 lol, 3x Libra,3x Cap,2x Virgo, 3x Leo, Very traditional yet non-judging
No, I totally respect your opinion, even more so, I agree but even a teacher can take a really bad, ideological text, read it with their students without corrupting them, just by right approach and good discussion, if you know what I mean I am not very fond of psychological tests, because they can never embrace the complexities of human beings, but they are good starting point for bit of debate, thinking. About how much they're worth, well I was slow to comprehend that, then I LOLed hard IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 01:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by bansheequeen: 32 masculine 79 feminine 60 androgynousThere were decimals after those numbers but I forgot them lol. I think I am high on feminine because of my Virgo rising and cancer moon. I also only have two planets in my entire chart in "masculine" signs and they are in Aquarius, which a lot of descriptions seem to interpret as an androgynous sign... Which gets to my next point... I have my sun and Mercury in Aquarius which I think is why I scored second highest on androgynous. But I agree with you. Feminine and masculine are just social constructs.
You've got quite an interesting combo Wanted to say that I really like your posts, so hurray for another out of the box thinker here
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Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 01:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jo B: 83 masculine 70 femininine 63 adrogynous.I'm a woman. lol. But I'm not surprised by the results really. I've looked after myself for a long time now so you get used to being independent and assertive. Libra Asc, Aqua moon, Leo mars, venus and MC probably accounts for the masculine side of me. Virgo sun, mercury, uranus, pluto and Scorpio neptune for the feminine.
You're also a mature woman (I hope you won't be offended by this, I mean all best by it) and I think that also contributes to your higher "masculine" result. I believe that the younger the woman, the more issues with self-confidence, assertion (all the deeming men's characteristics), also being more dependent in younger years, emotionally and financially... Do you agree? IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 01:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: "You scored 67.5 out of 100 masculine points, 64.167 out of 100 feminine points, and 55 out of 100 androgynous (neutral) points."Sounds about right, and probably as accurate as they could get with a quiz aimed at the general populace. Given my Libra (Scorpio cusp) stellium balanced against my Sag stellium with Scorpio Jupiter in between it also makes sense (though I do think upbringing had a bit to do with it as well). That said, I'm curious what gender "jealous" and "happy" and "inefficient" are supposed to be since I think those characteristics transcend gender (though I do think females are much more likely to express or admit to them and maybe that's what the creator was thinking of, something of a trick question). I also wasn't sure of what "childlike" meant (could mean dependent, dominated by feelings that are often out of proportion, or could mean playful, adaptive, and a risk taker who focuses more on the potential rewards over risks) as well as which gender so I went neutral on that one.
In my opinion upbringing definitely plays the biggest role but yeah, regarding your chart, your points make total sense although I did expect a higher result in androgyny, just for the sake of your post which seem very unconventional, but that's just my perception  I also am not sure about those three traits you mentioned.. would be interesting to see the whole design of the test. So you think the test is somewhat acceptable? I am quite certain they put childlike as "feminine" characteristic; playful, naive, more dependent, therefore trying to please, all associated with women. Hey, you were being strategic with solving the test, that's not fair! jk but really, were you solving it according to your assumptions which dimension did they put characteristics under? (just deducing it from your last sentence, correct me if I'm wrong) IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 01:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by Selenite: Hmm. I like the trick question idea. Maybe the point was to have most people score in the middle of each gender role and have us think and talk about gender stereotypes? I agree with what other people have been saying; that the whole test doesn't really make sense or seem like it could actually measure our masculinity/femininity/androgyneity.
Perhaps! taking into account that it was made in seventies and by a woman (more sensible to gender issues), it might just be true IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 01:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by birdsong: Fun test  According to this test I am: 45 percent masculine 89,4 feminine 54,1 androgynous (neutral) My top 3 are two times feminine and one masculine, dominant planet is Saturn, followed by Neptune and Mercury, dominant signs: Capricorn, Pisces, Virgo (according to Pullen). My chart is 90% yin and 10% yang according to astrotheme¨? I'm a; ASC in Cancer Sun in Pisces Moon in Capricorn Mercury in Aquarius Venus in Pisces Mars in Taurus
I'm glad that you enjoyed solving it wow, 90/10 is pretty extreme do you feel so much yin? oh, and could you tell me where can I check my yin/yang ratio, I forgot... IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 08, 2015 01:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by BellaFenice: Interesting!82.5 out of 100 Masculine 74.1 out of 100 Feminine 65 out of 100 Androgynous Not surprised by these results. I really like the point above about social constructs, because masculinity and femininity is based upon societal framing and expectations. And when you take both of them out of the societal viewpoint, what does it truly mean to be masculine or feminine? Should they even be defined (I don't personally think so)?
They were defined for a reason (not a very noble one) but I agree, it's time that we put an end to it it's not going to happen soon though, since I can see how are people (even in more "liberal" families) raising their children, like it was by the advice of some 50's manual for mummies, girls should act like that, buys like this etc. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 6681 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2015 08:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belba: In my opinion upbringing definitely plays the biggest role but yeah, regarding your chart, your points make total sense although I did expect a higher result in androgyny, just for the sake of your post which seem very unconventional, but that's just my perception  I also am not sure about those three traits you mentioned.. would be interesting to see the whole design of the test. So you think the test is somewhat acceptable? I am quite certain they put childlike as "feminine" characteristic; playful, naive, more dependent, therefore trying to please, all associated with women. Hey, you were being strategic with solving the test, that's not fair! jk but really, were you solving it according to your assumptions which dimension did they put characteristics under? (just deducing it from your last sentence, correct me if I'm wrong)
For what it's worth I think most who know me well would expect a much higher score in androgyny for me as well. For an online test it's pretty good...I repeat, for an online test (which are typically very poor so the bar is set really low for them). As for "my assumptions of what the creator meant." I don't recall that I did that (though of course I could've automatically assumed something from my own point of view which is different from that of the creator without having realized it), I was just confused why some are apparently seen as masculine or feminine. The only one I was lost on was "childlike" so I went with neutral as I honestly couldn't figure out what they meant on that, and in some ways I am childlike (playful, adaptable, can take risks easier than some people though I'm not impulsive about it), and in other ways I'm not at all (I channel my emotions, show responsibility, not impulsive, don't go to emotional extremes, etc), so it makes a difference...ultimately I just went with "neutral" since I didn't know what was meant. And for what it's worth I was unusually independent for a child (a combination of both my chart and upbringing) and not very trusting (though I was still naive in many ways, and definitely inexperienced). And I've done a lot of professional work with children as an adult and know just how much they can vary, not only as individuals but also day by day...and also that they're a lot more observant than most people give them credit for (though to be fair to those who underestimate their awareness children typically lack the words to accurately describe their observations and are also easily confused by rationalizations or denials that adults make). IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 09, 2015 04:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: The only one I was lost on was "childlike" so I went with neutral as I honestly couldn't figure out what they meant on that, and in some ways I am childlike (playful, adaptable, can take risks easier than some people though I'm not impulsive about it), and in other ways I'm not at all (I channel my emotions, show responsibility, not impulsive, don't go to emotional extremes, etc), so it makes a difference...ultimately I just went with "neutral" since I didn't know what was meant.
Oh, I see quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: And I've done a lot of professional work with children as an adult and know just how much they can vary, not only as individuals but also day by day...and also that they're a lot more observant than most people give them credit for (though to be fair to those who underestimate their awareness children typically lack the words to accurately describe their observations and are also easily confused by rationalizations or denials that adults make).
I know, right? So to conclude, word "childlike" is too vague, it could mean anything. And yes, children vary a lot, I mean even the youngest baby has a personality. We underestimate children a lot, their intelligence and perceptiveness. I oftentimes remember of some thoughts I had when child and am utterly surprised by how wise they were, very intuitive, I knew my mother was cheating on my dad, didn't say or ask anything, just to find out I was right all along many years later. I will hopefully be working with children in the future, so I'm really looking forward to that but it's hard raising, finding a balance between guiding, teaching about boundaries, and at the same time cultivating some of "unspoiled" characteristics... IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1249 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted June 09, 2015 08:25 AM
Feminine won, but there were a lot neutral as well. Venus, Mercury, Saturn.
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Jo B unregistered
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posted June 10, 2015 06:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belba: You're also a mature woman (I hope you won't be offended by this, I mean all best by it) and I think that also contributes to your higher "masculine" result. I believe that the younger the woman, the more issues with self-confidence, assertion (all the deeming men's characteristics), also being more dependent in younger years, emotionally and financially... Do you agree?
Well I think that has something to do with it, yes. But actually I've always been a bit of a tomboy since I was very young, became more feminine as I grew up. But now I'm older (50) I'm sort of balanced (I think!). A boyfriend from a couple of years ago mentioned this, said I was pretty grounded and didn't let emotions take over. IP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini Knowflake Posts: 797 From: Melinoe Castle, Proserpine Registered: Mar 2013
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posted June 12, 2015 01:01 AM
Unsurprisingly, my highest was Feminine (79.167), then Androgynous (65.833). Lastly was Masculine at 19.167. According to the Pullen log, my most prominent Planets are Hermes, Aphrodite, and Ares in that order, but doesn't that scream Androgynous more than anything else? As for Signs, Gemini, Aries, and Libra. That was really intriguing.------------------ I call the planets by their Greek names. Now please stop asking which asteroids I'm using? ^-^' -La Sorcière du Temps IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 3297 From: Neptune with PisceanDream, Faith, and Meissieri Registered: Sep 2013
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posted June 12, 2015 01:31 AM
quote: It's okay if you don't want to discuss feminist topics, although you are indirectly already doing that by posting in this thread Feminism is my primary world view by which I think, feel and act, so I cannot separate it from anything I write here on LL 
quote: Originally posted by Belba: They were defined for a reason (not a very noble one) but I agree, it's time that we put an end to it it's not going to happen soon though, since I can see how are people (even in more "liberal" families) raising their children, like it was by the advice of some 50's manual for mummies, girls should act like that, buys like this etc.
Could not agree more with both of your points! IP: Logged |
NoireAries Knowflake Posts: 85 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted June 12, 2015 02:32 PM
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Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 16, 2015 11:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by NoireAries: I got: 25%-masculine 46.667%-feminine 46.667%-androgynous My dominant planets and signs are: Venus -- Aquarius Uranus -- Taurus Sun -- Pisces My big 3 are all masculine (Aries Sun, Leo Moon) except for my chart ruler (Taurus Venus). I don't know how I feel about this. I don't see myself as feminine but I don't see myself as masculine either. I don't think I'm androgynous but I do think I'm slightly--very slightly--more masculine. I think this is so perplexing to me is that I'm limiting this only to how I dress and not including behavior, speech patterns, interest/hobbies, etc. But even then I still say slightly masculine. At the same time however, I'm shy, introverted, quiet, (hyper)sensitive, and passive. I think this is due to my sun and Aries being on the 12th (along with my chart ruler AND saturn), and my mars being retrograde, though. What's interesting is that in video games if I play as a female character she is the most feminine girly girl around lol. I wonder what that says about me on a subconscious level.
It just tells how complex we people are not possible to categorize us into a strict binary system IP: Logged |
Sven555 Knowflake Posts: 837 From: UK Registered: Jul 2012
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posted June 16, 2015 11:28 AM
I got:93.333% Masculine 70.833% Feminine 70% Androgynous I guess this makes sense! My top 3 planets --> Pluto/Sun/Uranus My top 3 signs --> Scorpio/Aquarius/Gemini I'm very athletic (I assume they class that as Masculine), competitive, aggressive (about my goals, rarely towards people) and have a short temper if something gets in my way! However, i can be compassionate towards people, who show geniune emotions and i will always try to cheer someone up and remove feelings of sorrow  IP: Logged |
Belba Knowflake Posts: 345 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 16, 2015 01:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sven555: I got:93.333% Masculine 70.833% Feminine 70% Androgynous I guess this makes sense! My top 3 planets --> Pluto/Sun/Uranus My top 3 signs --> Scorpio/Aquarius/Gemini I'm very athletic (I assume they class that as Masculine), competitive, aggressive (about my goals, rarely towards people) and have a short temper if something gets in my way! However, i can be compassionate towards people, who show geniune emotions and i will always try to cheer someone up and remove feelings of sorrow 
Yep, it does make sense you've got some strong planets there. Scorpio can be one of the most compassionate signs there are the way of coping with - cheering up has air (and Sun) written all over it IP: Logged | |