posted June 17, 2015 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Best way to describe the 12th? You lose yourself.

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posted June 18, 2015 03:08 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
As I get older, and it's taken far too long, I'm learning to trust what I feel. I feel a lot, but I never trusted it. The reason is because when I've been outspoken and outwardly reacted to it, things always went bad for me.
I feel other people. My empathy can sometimes be low, other times not. But what I mean is that I kind of feel an energy, a vibration coming off of people that gives away what they are feeling and thinking. I feel their thoughts but it's not in a way that I know that they're coming around a corner. More like if I know that they are around, in the room, etc. I feel them. I've learned to trust it a lot more when I STOPPED reacting to it. When I would call anyone out on it, they would get furiously defensive with me. But when I was silent, they proved me correct. I've learned a lot about this from those closest to me when I know how they feel, and later, they tell me how they feel which confirms the energies that I felt before that. I've experienced this enough from coworkers, friends, family, etc that I now know that it's real.
It's something that really became solidified in my mind. I should say something that I've accepted.
Not a spoken language, or even body language, but a subconscious or maybe spiritual language. A telepathic kind of language. I'm not sure how to describe it.
When younger, it confused me. A little older, I as aware of it, but lacked trust in it.
Now, I trust it, but have learned to not react. Even though I may know, and I trust that I know, I have to let things run their course. (Don't call someone out on feelings. Wait until they come to you)

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posted June 18, 2015 03:11 AM            

But all I know is I can best approach the benefits of 12th house when I am alone

But man.. I wish I could constantly get dreams with similar themes like Doux Reve...

I was told that South Node in 6th house people are really spiritual

posted June 18, 2015 03:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:

I was told that South Node in 6th house people are really spiritual

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posted June 18, 2015 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
that's where my south node is and i'm quite spiritual. What does the NN in the 12th suggest though?

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Oops sorry I meant South Node in 12th house

posted June 18, 2015 05:52 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Best way to describe the 12th? You lose yourself.

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A few years ago I posted a status on my FB page (remember when FB was sensational?), it said: "You lose yourself in yourself."

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Originally posted by DopGang:
As I get older, and it's taken far too long, I'm learning to trust what I feel.

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That is indeed fascinating.
Did you ever do something "specific" to, let's say, develop that ability of yours? Or did it just come naturally?
I've always wanted to have some psychic ability but it just doesn't seem to be in the stars for me.
And what placements do you have going on?

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
But all I know is I can best approach the benefits of 12th house when I am alone

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Hi Venusincap

I think that is true for all 12th-housers.

Re: dreams. Perhaps try to write them down, those that you remember. And keep your mind open. Also, if you tend to wake up with an alarm, make sure there are some days where you can wake up naturally (I personally remember my dreams easier that way, although there are times when I really can't seem to remember what I dreamed about).

posted June 18, 2015 05:53 AM            

I am told that South Node becomes the Sun it self if its conjunct Sun(As we are often told that nodes lose its effect after certain amount of time)

So if you have.. North Node in 6th house, this person could be considered very materialistic and cunning with their work, but would return all that and become by far the most spiritual person after like 30

I personally know a guy who had.. North Node in Aquarius 6th house and South Node and Sun in Leo 12th house

This guy tries every day and seconds to make somebody do his own work for him.. like for example homework and etc.
This guy really struggled to do his own work.

But every time he does something like that, he would feel really guilty about it.

posted June 18, 2015 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
that's where my south node is and i'm quite spiritual. What does the NN in the 12th suggest though?

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My understanding of... North Node in 12th would be...

well North Node is obsession and 12th house is spirituality

I assume these ppl would look for quickest ways to achieve that spirituality.
This shortly becomes... addiction to like help people and so on
But unfortunately, being taken advantage of or being taken for granted... is something that can happen really easily for anybody today.
Consequently, I assume the person eventually gets really fed up with the selfish people that they come across, and gets that explosive burst of anger here and there

posted June 18, 2015 06:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Hi Venusincap

Re: dreams. Perhaps try to write them down, those that you remember. And keep your mind open. Also, if you tend to wake up with an alarm, make sure there are some days where you can wake up naturally (I personally remember my dreams easier that way, although there are times when I really can't seem to remember what I dreamed about).

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Thank you Doux Reve!!
The suggestion on... waking up naturally is amazing advice!!!!

posted June 18, 2015 07:34 AM            

Some of this is just my opinion.
I believe we all have gifts. Different gifts or variations of the same gifts as well as slightly different ways that we use them.
Of these kinds of "psychic" gifts, I would call mine one of the more basic and easy ones.

For me, which may be different for others. It had four parts in using it and discovering it in the first place.

1) I'm extremely observant!! I notice very fine details about people and it generally sticks. I'd be a good witness to ask about a crime. Haha

2) Multi-thread thinking. (If I'm describing this correctly). I'm able to think about several things at one time. It allows me to put together a "big picture" quickly and involving several details without being bogged down by one or two.

3) Very very important. Separating personal feelings from impressions. I don't know if that's the right way to say that. To not get caught in the delusions of the mind. For example, thinking someone is romantically interested because deep down you want them to be. That's a very simple example but it can happen on very deep, hidden levels where you sabotage a gift like this. I figured most would be able to relate to that example.

4) Just a gift! It just happened that I discovered it. It's in it's infancy, though I'm very far from mine. It's my duty to develop it, hopefully!!

posted June 18, 2015 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
So just be on the lookout if you're a 12th person. It may be right in front of you but you're not paying attention!!

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posted June 18, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
My understanding of... North Node in 12th would be...

well North Node is obsession and 12th house is spirituality

I assume these ppl would look for quickest ways to achieve that spirituality.
This shortly becomes... addiction to like help people and so on
But unfortunately, being taken advantage of or being taken for granted... is something that can happen really easily for anybody today.
Consequently, I assume the person eventually gets really fed up with the selfish people that they come across, and gets that explosive burst of anger here and there

So I assume, the challenge here is to ... 'feel' the 12th house and not take short cuts towards the 12th house lessons, as others have suggested here

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posted June 18, 2015 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
R Where did you get that the NN is obsession?? I thought it was what we are supposed to aim towards in this life.
Incidentally I have Pluto in the 12th too. Maybe that's more obsession or in depth research and delving.

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Yeah I am not too confident on this one but what I've been told is that Pluto is like... obsession which leads to transformation and mastery, while North Node is like.. obsession that is never satisfied until it is like completely gone during 30s or something like that. The idea is that North Node represents a theme where people need significant amount of effort to gain balance. In short, North Node gives you obsession and its aim towards life in a sense that you need the balancing factor here the most
once again this is just my understanding

posted June 18, 2015 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Can you please give an example and expand on this pleaseeeee

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If you're surrounded by coincidence, it's not coincidence. That's how I figured it out and that it took so long.
For me, it's just kind of fun and something that I pay attention to. I'm not sure that it's really all that useful.
I have more fun just getting to know people and matching up what I first felt about them to how they really are.

posted June 18, 2015 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
I am moved almost to tears reading this thread. I am currently seeing someone who has taurus mercury, aries sun and venus is the 12th house. He is such a beautiful soul... and some call him the lone wolf. What a perfect way to describe him. Almost not of this world really.

In love, it has been difficult. He lost someone in this life and he lost me in another. [b]There seems to be a pattern of relationships lost to death.

We are so connected and drawn to one another (moons conj) and he tells me that I understand him which for a 12th houser must be a pretty big thing. Simply being with him gives me a sense of calm.

Don't ever look past your beauty 12th housers, you have a lot to give in this world be it as simple as providing a healing presence for another.[/B]

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I have my Venus in the 12th house with a bunch of love asteroids and its difficult, really difficult. Anything that falls there is a blind spot for the PERSON who has the planet there, but not to anybody else that manages to take a peek behind the curtain.

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
I don't know if this is the case, but does he have Hera(3 Juno) in 12H? I read somewhere that placement might show separation or having and losing in relationships. I for one have this placement and there's someone I'm interested in. Seeing him though... I might as well be married to the Dying Corn God. *forces a smile*

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This has to do with Juno instead of Hera, but the only thing I've heard of Juno in the 12th is that your spouse will end up cheating on you or be an addict. So obviously nothing nice. If Hera shows separation, does Juno too? Because that sadly rings true, at least for me. (Though it might be Venus there that causes it, who knows) The love of my life also has his Juno in the 12th house (conjunct mine)...

posted June 18, 2015 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
If you're surrounded by coincidence, it's not coincidence. That's how I figured it out and that it took so long.
For me, it's just kind of fun and something that I pay attention to. I'm not sure that it's really all that useful.
I have more fun just getting to know people and matching up what I first felt about them to how they really are.

Maybe you have dreams, or feel deja vu.
You might feel that a person is going to have some future role in your life. (You may not know what kind of role) It could be that you're not paying attention but if you look back on your life then you might see a pattern.

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I don't ever get meaningful dreams but I think I get what you mean
the intuition/gut feelings that people rationalize!!!
I used to do that all the time with dating ahaha

posted June 18, 2015 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Thank you Doux Reve!!
The suggestion on... waking up naturally is amazing advice!!!!

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You're welcome. I hope it works for you.

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I was so depressed of... not getting any profound dreams like.. dreams of past life
that I was going to get like past life analysis from professional astrologers that does it
I will try naturally waking up first and hopefully that works

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posted June 18, 2015 02:20 PM            

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I believe we all have gifts. Different gifts or variations of the same gifts as well as slightly different ways that we use them.

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I would agree, although there are times when I really wonder if it's just wishful thinking. Perhaps some people are just not "made" for that kind of thing. *shrugs*

Thanks for explaining.
I can relate to being observant (unless I'm absorbed in my own thoughts, which can happen fairly easily).

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Very very important. Separating personal feelings from impressions.

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Mhm. I know that one very well. Have trouble with discerning what's what.
Your example was fitting.

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So just be on the lookout if you're a 12th person. It may be right in front of you but you're not paying attention!!

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Perhaps you are correct (even though I don't have actual planets in the 12H).

posted June 18, 2015 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Oops sorry I meant South Node in 12th house...

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I read somewhere South Node in 12H brings back unconscious psychic ability from a past Life, if you should happen to believe in other Lives. I myself have that placement, but I think another indicator of spirituality might be the relation of Hestia/4 Vesta, especially with Dios and Poseidonas.

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Originally posted by Lumi0:
This has to do with Juno instead of Hera, but the only thing I've heard of Juno in the 12th is that your spouse will end up cheating on you or be an addict. So obviously nothing nice. If Hera shows separation, does Juno too?

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Not always; the very best that can happen is your partner might disappear for a while mysteriously and then come back, or they might have some sort of problem and you really do have to help/sacrifice/serve them 24/7. 12H in general shows separation or denial of something. The Planets there show what it is. As for the confusion of Hera and 3 Juno, I use Hera interchangeably, but I make distinctions with their numbers (i.e. Hera/3 Juno vs. Hera/103 Hera) if that clears it up. Sorry 'bout that.