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Topic: The Twelfth House
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Sailor Gemini
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From: Melinoe Castle, Proserpine
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posted June 11, 2015 11:52 PM
  
It's only because I'm drawn to whatever can't really be pinned down that I ever got around to this, but I just wanted to write up my own thoughts on 12H, mainly my own because well... I am just a bit egotistical. I'd like for anyone else to put their own thoughts here too if they'd like, be it their own 12H, or maybe a story about someone else's. And this can be for any Planets in it too, not just 12H in general.------------------
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Sailor Gemini
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posted June 12, 2015 12:01 AM
The Twelfth House... is it really a dust bin as people say? I don't think so. If you brush something off like that, is it because they can't grasp its existence or its principles? Maybe it's because people are too conditioned with their linear thought patterns of start and finish? What if it holds some sort of secret for the native to unlock?IP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini
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posted June 12, 2015 12:05 AM
I'm also beginning to wonder that it's because of that in which I don't have an assertive personality or that I seem split from any masculine principle? Or maybe my fascination with the concept on Unity, and maybe Hera herself. Tying into Poseidonas as Ruler of 12H, maybe that's why I'm fascinated with "Origin" as well? A cloudiness on both my MC and IC seem to distort my sense of what I consider private (everything) and what is public (not much), but I again cross that line repeatedly, though I only exist with "one" taboo.------------------
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Sailor Gemini
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posted June 12, 2015 12:16 AM
In response to feeling alienated to my assertiveness, on 12H in my own Chart lies Aries. Kronos falls here, and I deduce Hera may be in detriment (co-ruler of Vacca, Libra, and Scorpius). Kronos as restriction restricts the fight of Aries, as does it limit the child-like qualities Aries does have. While I don't think I am naive, I do have some childish tendencies despite everyone telling me I was always the mature one. If anything, bluntness and assertion are what I've always projected upon potential love interests. As for masculinity, I *do* find it attractive as it is my opposite quality, but there's no point macho masochism.------------------
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Sailor Gemini
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posted June 12, 2015 12:20 AM
Is it at all possible the Nodes rule 6H and 12H together? South in 12H and North in 6H? It makes sense in that 12H always holds bits of someone's subconscious and 6H shows your service in *this* Life, just as the Nodes do, but I think the Nodes are more like markers.------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 12, 2015 09:58 AM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Sailor.Hard to put into words. Can't speak for others, I don't know how other people experience the 12H.
But I feel like I know it very well (and at the same time not at all); at least "my own" 12H. Some words you wrote resonate with me deeply.
"Unity", "cloudiness", "Origin", "one". Alienated to my assertiveness, yes.
Projecting bluntness and assertion, yes.
ETA. My 12H also starts with Aries. That probably explains why I can relate to your comments about assertiveness and such. I have SN in the 12H.
It's... well, I'd say it can be beautiful, but also lonely, alienating, confusing, sad, scary, blurry, inconsistent. I often feel like I am made of nothing, or that things aren't "real", or not the "real" we know.
Vagueness, feeling numb, feeling lost, feeling disconnected yet peaceful, feeling anxious, lost alone in a vast scary universe... all those things are part of my fundamental experience as a human being on this Earth. I haven't met anyone who can relate to my deepest feelings and sensations. I can't explain the void and the blur, the craving of feeling at peace and feeling as "One" with all that is. I just want to escape and not "do", just be... Floating around, feeling weightless and peaceful. Music helps with this... IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 12, 2015 09:59 AM
But alas, my NN in the 6H won't let me be truly at peace unless I engage in the world and leave a mark. Not easy. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 12, 2015 10:18 AM
Other things come to mind, not sure if related to the 12H itself... Longing for the unknown, the far-away and distant, the mysterious, the unattainable.
Having vivid dreams and taking them seriously, feeling like dreams are as important as reality, they take up a lot of space in life... they carry messages, they are a way to escape the mundane everyday life.
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NoireAries
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posted June 12, 2015 02:54 PM
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Sailor Gemini
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posted June 12, 2015 05:05 PM
Wow Doux Rêve and NoireAries, the vivid dreams thing is real for me too. Sometimes I can still feel things from them.I always feel drawn to the unknown, and every time I think of what it might be like inside of my mind, I always picture a foggy forest and an old château in the distance. ------------------
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Sailor Gemini
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posted June 12, 2015 05:12 PM
Oh! And at the very worst (the most depressed of moods), I always think of this song...
The Silent Forest------------------
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EssTee
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posted June 12, 2015 06:28 PM
I'm still trying to learn about the 12 house. I have Uranus, Saturn, Mars, and Neptune in Capricorn in the 12 house. My sun is in Pisces, which rules the 12th house. I'm just a 12th house mess! I can really relate to an ice burg. I feel like even I am locked out of my own 12th house, and having so many planets there makes me feel a little paranoid. But at the same time I love that I'm such a 12th house person. Also my moon is in my 8th house (Virgo). I'm just a deep person I guess but a lot of the times I have a hard time because I feel that I am also to sensitive and can pick up on a lot of things around me without knowing it. Self-undoing is something I read a lot about the 12th house. I feel like my entire life has been one episode after the other of self-undoing. I am forever soul-searching and forever surrendering to the unseen currents of life. IP: Logged |
yellowelevator
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posted June 12, 2015 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Sailor.Hard to put into words. Can't speak for others, I don't know how other people experience the 12H.
But I feel like I know it very well (and at the same time not at all); at least "my own" 12H. Some words you wrote resonate with me deeply.
"Unity", "cloudiness", "Origin", "one". Alienated to my assertiveness, yes.
Projecting bluntness and assertion, yes.
ETA. My 12H also starts with Aries. That probably explains why I can relate to your comments about assertiveness and such. I have SN in the 12H.
It's... well, I'd say it can be beautiful, but also lonely, alienating, confusing, sad, scary, blurry, inconsistent. I often feel like I am made of nothing, or that things aren't "real", or not the "real" we know.
Vagueness, feeling numb, feeling lost, feeling disconnected yet peaceful, feeling anxious, lost alone in a vast scary universe... all those things are part of my fundamental experience as a human being on this Earth. I haven't met anyone who can relate to my deepest feelings and sensations. I can't explain the void and the blur, the craving of feeling at peace and feeling as "One" with all that is. I just want to escape and not "do", just be... Floating around, feeling weightless and peaceful. Music helps with this...
Totally relate to this, and often feel exactly the same way. I have Moon and Mars in the 12th in Gemini. I also have SN there, too, like you, and definitely experience/relate to all that you described. I am so awful at explaining how I feel, and I can tell it drives the people around me nuts sometimes, but it's true that I really feel most of the time that what I feel and experience is totally indescribable, and often just can't put things into words. I just feel. Deep down I usually always end up feeling alone in life, like I just am meant to walk alone. I relate that to my Mars being there a lot, kind of just like this lone soldier/warrior. It's also been super hard for me to find anyone else that can relate to what I try to verbalize about my feelings/life as well. I just simply can't explain it at times. I don't believe that you always have to verbally express what you feel to others. But in a world like this, you're usually expected to, instead of just let things go and actually just feel. Perhaps that is literally part of the message of this house. It is a water house, after all. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted June 13, 2015 09:14 AM
I dated someone with these placements and I always felt that he was more "reflective" than assertive.He would "feel" stuff a lot and my Moon in 4th/Venus in 8th would always be very protective of him. But here is the thing;when in a closed and controlled environment, he always came out of his shell. Always! He was a gorgeous Sun/Moon/Mercury in Taurus and Asc/Venus in Gemini. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted June 13, 2015 07:38 PM
I am moved almost to tears reading this thread. I am currently seeing someone who has taurus mercury, aries sun and venus is the 12th house. He is such a beautiful soul... and some call him the lone wolf. What a perfect way to describe him. Almost not of this world really. In love, it has been difficult. He lost someone in this life and he lost me in another. There seems to be a pattern of relationships lost to death. We are so connected and drawn to one another (moons conj) and he tells me that I understand him which for a 12th houser must be a pretty big thing. Simply being with him gives me a sense of calm. Don't ever look past your beauty 12th housers, you have a lot to give in this world be it as simple as providing a healing presence for another. IP: Logged |
bananaz
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From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted June 14, 2015 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
The Twelfth House... is it really a dust bin as people say? I don't think so. If you brush something off like that, is it because they can't grasp its existence or its principles? Maybe it's because people are too conditioned with their linear thought patterns of start and finish? What if it holds some sort of secret for the native to unlock?
I don't think it's a dust bin either. I have pisces in the 12th with my sun, venus, mercury and jupiter there. I dont know if you follow alyssa sharpe, but she recently made a video on the 12th house and her interpretation of it made me a little mad--and i normally love her videos! She described it as karmic debt, punishment for things 12th housers did in past lives. She said the only way for a 12th houser to be happy is to be selfless, like repentance. I dont agree with this at all! I have nothing against serving, but serving only satisfies a small portion of a 12th housers needs. I agree with your theory of unlocking secrets. This how i see the 12th house: Its our path to trancendence. If your venus is there, you need to figure out how to love yourself before you can receive love. If your mercury is there, you need to learn to be quiet in order to find your inner voice. The 12th is like a treasure trove of inner gifts. We just need to do some digging, meditating, dreaming and soul searching to find them. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 14, 2015 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
That's beautiful.
Not sure I apply to that description, though. I don't have any planets in the 12H, only my SN (and it's conjunct my ASC). quote:
Originally posted by bananaz:
I said that same thing to a friend today. That the way to find happiness for someone with 12H stuff is to be of service to others, let go of egotistic motivations (even if it's hard). A lot of internal peace and serenity can be found in giving to others, genuinely. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 14, 2015 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
I always feel drawn to the unknown, and every time I think of what it might be like inside of my mind, I always picture a foggy forest and an old château in the distance.
The fog is always a theme for me as well.
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Sailor Gemini
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posted June 14, 2015 10:00 PM
@EmGem: I really relate to losing and having. Um... I don't know if this is the case, but does he have Hera(3 Juno) in 12H? I read somewhere that placement might show separation or having and losing in relationships. I for one have this placement and there's someone I'm interested in. Seeing him though... I might as well be married to the Dying Corn God. *forces a smile*
@bananaz: no, I don't follow that person, but I don't agree with the idea of punishment and sacrifice. While I do believe you have to pay for what you might have done in another Life, I don't believe that that is how it's done.In another thought, I was wondering; was there ever a line between forseeing something in a dream, reliving something in a dream, and plain old wishful thinking? ------------------
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bananaz
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posted June 14, 2015 10:39 PM
I think our subconcious knows where to draw that line. I've had dreams based on random thoughts, dreams based on future events, and dreams where it genuinely felt as if I were in another world. I've woken up crying because I miss people Ive never met. Its all really strange, but deep down I think we know what's real and what's not.IP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini
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posted June 14, 2015 10:46 PM
I guess so. I think adds a lot of mystery, and I can't help but romanticise it. I'm beginning to think too, romanticism was probably a very Neptunian/Piscean/12H movement.IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted June 15, 2015 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
@EmGem: I really relate to losing and having. Um... I don't know if this is the case, but does he have Hera(3 Juno) in 12H? I read somewhere that placement might show separation or having and losing in relationships. I for one have this placement and there's someone I'm interested in. Seeing him though... I might as well be married to the Dying Corn God. *forces a smile*In another thought, I was wondering; was there ever a line between forseeing something in a dream, reliving something in a dream, and plain old wishful thinking?
Sailor, he has hera in the first conjunct his ASC. Have you lost someone before?? he totally has those vivid crazy dreams too. he said he once dreamt of himself in a past life. IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted June 15, 2015 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
Is it at all possible the Nodes rule 6H and 12H together? South in 12H and North in 6H? It makes sense in that 12H always holds bits of someone's subconscious and 6H shows your service in *this* Life, just as the Nodes do, but I think the Nodes are more like markers.
Yikes. I have north node in the 6th house... In Pisces! And south north in 12th Virgo. I know this is significant I'm still trying to figure out how. I'm just an ultra slave to the world and I need to ultra transcend. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted June 15, 2015 03:32 AM
i have my NN in the 12th house....is this maybe why i can relate to them??? and pluto incidentallyIP: Logged |
Sailor Gemini
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posted June 15, 2015 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
Sailor, he has hera in the first conjunct his ASC. Have you lost someone before??
No, not exactly. Well... I've lost people I was once close with, but never a lover. ------------------
I call the planets by their Greek names and Taurus is Vacca.
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