posted July 04, 2015 04:33 AM            

The ox opposite rabbit (fixed)
The snake opposite the pig (cardinal)
The rooster opposite the goat (mutable)

The dragon opposite dog (fixed)
The monkey opposite tiger (cardinal)
The rat opposite horse (mutable)

Mutable personalities are eclectic and eccentric, all over the place, and sometimes they are nervously frantic and go too fast or try to do too much at the same time. They tend towards lack of self-confidence but are magically other-worldly on the inside. They tend to like nebulous and magical things.
Rooster, Goat, Rat, Horse

Fixed personalities are stubborn, can be cold, dogmatic, and sometimes tyrannical, but they reach their goals. They are hardworking but for whatever reason they can be rather flashy and they love drawing attention to themselves. They are quite charming and have less trouble than other signs in showing their personality. They may have a problem with being too competitive and wanting too much.
Ox, Rabbit, Dragon, Dog

Cardinal personalities are curious, inventive, resourceful, have big dreams, very independent and know they have to rely on themselves, are not all that stubborn or dogmatic but rather willing to listen instead, are visionary and inspirational, have strong opinions that they stand for. They are known as "the leaders." They are less competitive and more about accomplishing higher goals that benefit everyone. Their appearance and personality makes them rarely disregarded as they are quick to earn respect from others due to their calm, self-assured ways. Unlike what other signs may attempt in order to try to be "leaders," they are not showoffy, flashy, or rude and/or unkind. This makes them earn *lasting* respect from others. However, since they dream of such high goals, they also tend towards procrastination and living in their heads and in their great dreams. They tend towards being more private and quiet, but carry themselves with dignity. For example: Whereas the dragon and tiger may both be trendsetters who command attention, the dragon may eventually be resented by the public for being too stubborn, flashy, and proud. Though the dragon is much more magnetic and is sure to be the bigger heartbreaker, the tiger will, however, carry himself with poise and tact.
Snake, Pig, Monkey, Tiger

The definitions of the modes may not apply to modes in western astrology. I only thought about them the way they apply to those chinese astrology signs that would have to fall under that category.

EDIT: Thinking about it now, I'm not too sure about the last group (the supposed "cardinals") I am not totally sure how these signs are connected. Anyone have any ideas/input as to how they may be connected? If you read chinese astro compatibility between dragon and tiger for example, tiger is supposed to want intellectual companionship and freedom, whereas the dragon wants passion and total involvement. I wanted to say that the tiger at the end of the day would act with more intellectual detachment and intellectual "poise" than the dragon, who might act haughty and emotional. That is not to say that the tiger isn't fiery and fierce a lot of the time as well...I've definitely met at least two fiery tiger people. But even where theyre concerned, I do sense their intellectual detachment. Once you get to know those two fiery tiger people I know, you realize they are very "cool" and detached on the inside. Also, they don't seem to me as arrogant and prideful as the dragon can be---that must be because at the end of the day they are more intellectual and their focus is not as much as them, unlike the dragon who wants to be "the best."

posted July 04, 2015 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Yes it does. You can actually read about the chinese astro ascendant at http://astrologizeme.com

Let me know what you find lol

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posted July 04, 2015 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
Ok i'm confused on the asc page? Let's say I was born 2:45pm. what would my asc be? Would I look at 14:45pm? I'm trying to fugure this out, but it's new to me, haha!

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posted July 04, 2015 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Isn't the Dragon Cardinal? (Aries)

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The dragon is more like a leo...obsessed with beauty and admiration, magnamous, have an emphasis on their hair when they focus on their appearance and very hard-working but stubborn and sometimes tyrannical. Even dragon women with black hair are said to have reddish undertones in their hair.

Yes it could also be aries, but aries is probably more like the tiger (the conqueror, overly defensive, aggressive, unable to be tamed, an emphasis on arched large eyebrows in their appearance). Also dare I say it, aries is more intellectual at the end of the day than a leo, and leo is more magnamous and focused on beauty and luxury than aries. This fits the dragon vs tiger well.

posted July 04, 2015 12:03 PM            

And like a good Gemini/Snake I crawl my way out fast when he gets temperamental haha

posted July 04, 2015 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
I agree 100% with the similarity between Leo and Dragon...my dad is both Leo and Dragon! The descriptions of both seem pretty much alike

And like a good Gemini/Snake I crawl my way out fast when he gets temperamental haha

Although I must add that Snake is a bit Scorpio like...but the OP lists it as cardinal.
Do you see Snake more like a sign like Libra (uh?) ?

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On the same page hun. Yes I think snakes are VERY scorpio-like, even in appearance. They often have darker undertones in their hair, sometimes hairy bodies (associated with pluto), shocking eyes, reserved and cautious demeanors, often some hint of darkness in their appearance....example joe jonas. Very scorpionic. And the women as well, with their warily reserved yet feminine demeanors (jackie kennedy, grace kelly, audrey hepburn). However I would never describe a snake as fixed in any way. We are ever-changing, go with the flow and with our whims (and sentiments/sensitive moods), seek to inspire..not necessarily to achieve, and yes we are very much like libra. Love and being liked by others, as well as being seen as fair, affable, and kind are of utmost importance to us. Being lonely or feeling unloved could literally make us physically sick. It is why we spend our whole lives seeking to charm and investing so much in our physical beauty...rejection and lack of love from others is a big blow to our soft hearts. Stubbornness is another quality of fixed signs...I would never call us stubborn either.

posted July 04, 2015 12:40 PM            

Yet I couldnt really place the ox and the goat under the same mode. The goat is supposed to be cancer while ox is cap. One is wishy washy and slips away into their dreams with no specific goal (could be either pisces or cancer), while the other is ever persistent and concrete. Yet I wouldnt be able to call a rabbit mutable. Id rather assign that to the goat. Rabbits have veeeery strong opinions, and will battle you tooth and nail against them. They also seem to be much less retiring than the chameleon goat. At social events, I've often known rabbits to not only have gotten the party started but kept it going.

posted July 04, 2015 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
The dragon is more like a leo...obsessed with beauty and admiration, magnamous, have an emphasis on their hair when they focus on their appearance and very hard-working but stubborn and sometimes tyrannical. Even dragon women with black hair are said to have reddish undertones in their hair.

Yes it could also be aries, but aries is probably more like the tiger (the conqueror, overly defensive, aggressive, unable to be tamed, an emphasis on arched large eyebrows in their appearance). Also dare I say it, aries is more intellectual at the end of the day than a leo, and leo is more magnamous and focused on beauty and luxury than aries. This fits the dragon vs tiger well.

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posted July 04, 2015 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
Off topic, but I've heard that Chinese astrlogy has a rising sign like western astrology, but I can't find it? Is this true, I may make a spin off thread. I enjoyed reading this as well. I'll comment on it a little later

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Not so much a rising sign, but they have a sign for the year, the month, the week, the day, and the hour. The sign that rules the hour. The sign that rules the hour doens't function like a rising sign, but like the most intimate part of us. At least that's my understanding.

For instance, I am born year of the sheep, and I never felt very connected to sheep so I disregarded chinese astrology, until I found out that I was born the day of the Dragon, and it all made sense because I relate more to the dragon than to the sheep.

Here is a site that gives a calculator for Year, month, day and hour: http://www.astro-fengshui.com/4P%20Charting.html

posted July 04, 2015 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I have to say this isn't making that much sense right now. I just realized the ox is opposite the goat, not the rabbit. That makes sense, not only because of year order but because the goat is unrealistic and very "slippery" and impractical as well as wasteful, while the ox the total opposite...rigid, practical, concrete opinions and goals.

Yet I couldnt really place the ox and the goat under the same mode. The goat is supposed to be cancer while ox is cap. One is wishy washy and slips away into their dreams with no specific goal (could be either pisces or cancer), while the other is ever persistent and concrete. Yet I wouldnt be able to call a rabbit mutable. Id rather assign that to the goat. Rabbits have veeeery strong opinions, and will battle you tooth and nail against them. They also seem to be much less retiring than the chameleon goat. At social events, I've often known rabbits to not only have gotten the party started but kept it going.

The rabbit also seems a lot more easy to grasp than the goat. They are open about their personality and opinions, easily talk on and on, etc...whereas the goat seems to always be seeking some new mysterious worlds to envelop themselves in....they love odd other-dimension fashion worlds..they love thinking about creating things that are totally out of the ordinary, say if it's science they're interested in instead. Definitely talented and big imaginations, but sometimes they are too much in their little world of creativity. Their hobbies remind me of neptune.

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Hmm... As a triple Rabbit (year, day, hour ; month being Dog), I'll have to disagree. Rabbits are very Pisces-like, or Libran with a huge touch of diplomacy, tact and empathy. Rabbits (well, strongly Rabbit-influenced people ; the year sign isn't the only one that matters) won't talk on and on, and they'll certainly never create a conflict or engage in one just to defend their opinions, however strongly they might believe in them. That's when the Libran side comes in -- they absolutely abhor conflicts. Those cats are much too refined to stoop so low as to engage in such a thing.

But, we're still stubborn, and we can definitely get irritated, like anyone else. We're just much too particular about our appearance to allow ourselves to blare it out. We're aloof, passive, and keep a poker face in every situation due to our extreme introversion. (Which, by the way, doesn't necessarily mean we're weak. We just tend to interiorise our emotions.)

posted July 04, 2015 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Not so much a rising sign, but they have a sign for the year, the month, the week, the day, and the hour. The sign that rules the hour. The sign that rules the hour doens't function like a rising sign, but like the most intimate part of us. At least that's my understanding.

For instance, I am born year of the sheep, and I never felt very connected to sheep so I disregarded chinese astrology, until I found out that I was born the day of the Dragon, and it all made sense because I relate more to the dragon than to the sheep.

Here is a site that gives a calculator for Year, month, day and hour: http://www.astro-fengshui.com/4P%20Charting.html

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posted July 04, 2015 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Hmm... As a triple Rabbit (year, day, hour ; month being Dog), I'll have to disagree. Rabbits are very Pisces-like, or Libran with a huge touch of diplomacy, tact and empathy. Rabbits won't talk on and on,

But, we're still stubborn, and we can definitely get irritated, like anyone else.

However, I believe all bunnies still have a secret personality they keep tucked inside, reserved only for their loved ones. If they are ever able to get rid of their apparent rigidity, emotional distance and passiveness, they'd be incredibly gentle, awfully sensitive, unusually caring, and so deeply loving towards their precious beloveds.

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I feel like you can say that about anyone who is cold and reserved on the outside. You can say that oxen are very tender and giving inside despite their sternness, for example. You can also say dogs are very giving and loyal despite their outer blasé-ness.

Rabbits are also known to be wacky and zany. They are compared to the loopy rabbit in alice in wonderland. The rabbit is colder and more stubborn than the goat. They are also more goal-oriented and particular about things...they have pet peeves and strong opinions. That is why they get along with the ox while the goat actually does not. The rabbit seems soft on the outside, but on the inside they know very well who they are. The goat seems much softer, much more easily swayed in their opinions, much more romantic and lost in their dreams. Part of the reason the goat and snake don't do so well together is because they are both too romantic, and impractical, too "yin." The rabbit gets along better with the snake since they can provide a spark that makes things slightly less boring. Don't believe me, read the chinese astro compatibility descriptions online.

posted July 04, 2015 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Yes, Belage, I already know all about those. That's fine. I thought you were talking about something else. The direction you seemed to be going in sounded interesting.

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posted July 04, 2015 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Wikipedia has a very excellent article on how it was developed and how it works.
In western astrology if you were born with the Sun in Cancer you call yourself a Cancer.
In Chinese astrology the 'YOU' is determined by the day not the Chinese year in which you were born.

Probably the best quick reference for Chinese astrology on web >
http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/chineseastrology.htm

Learning some Chinese astrology has helped me understand western better but not quickly.
reads as such
"You are Black Rabbit, born in the year of White Cow. The first character in DAY represents you. So you are equivalent to Water. My Hour is Red Dragon."<myself
In western astro I have Aries on 7th house cusp
Westerners commonly refer to themselves by the chinese year, this is a misuse.
The wiki article breaks it down well.
It is far more complex when you understand there are many variations with the elements, plus stem and branches.
If I ever get to China,lol. It is on my to do list.

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Seimei, what about how a chinese sign is only half a western sign (basically two western signs put together)