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Topic: Indicators of suicide ?
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Meatballzzzzzz
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posted July 10, 2015 11:58 AM
  
@ReachingForTheStars: CupOfDavid said it beautifully. He truly is lucky to have a loving, caring and supportive mother that will listen and talk to him and guide him through his troubles. I never had that. But I can relate to him and feeling deeply (Moon in Cancer) and family support and talking I think is the most important thing. He seems like he is strong man and I genuinely think he will be fine. So don't worry love.IP: Logged |
CosmiqPhuz
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posted July 10, 2015 02:30 PM
The three people I personally know who attempted suicide were a Scorpio, Pisces, and Capricorn. Not sure if it was a genuine attempt to die or a cry for help/attention. All three of them just got out of relationships. The Scorpio is born a few days after me and I know he has all his personal planets (plus Pluto) in Scorpio except Mars. Capricorn has Cap moon, Pisces Mars and Scorpio Venus (and Pluto). Not sure of the Pisces' exact placements. The Scorpio used sleeping pills, Capricorn slit his wrists, and the Pisces tried to hang herself. I believe hard natal aspects to Pluto would point to a possibility of suicide just because it's so extreme and unrelenting. Life circumstances and genetics too. My ex had a grandma and uncle who both committed suicide, both very different charts. I sure have had suicidal thoughts at different periods of my life, but I never really took action on them. The thing some people don't realize is that there's no turning back if you do it. Kind of obvious to someone looking in, but when someone is engulfed and absolutely consumed by the emotions and thoughts, it's easy to overlook the fact. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted July 10, 2015 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Personally, I believe intense transits are more indicative of suicide when coupled with an inwardly emotional nativeFor me, this transit was the one and only time I tried: Moon Opp T Neptune
Moon Opp T Sun
Sun Opp T Saturn T Neptune & T Sun were tightly conjunct in my 12th house I'm so not proud of that time in my life but I can see that the energies of the planets were not supporting me, which for some odd reason helps me understand it better
yeah i agree to be honest for example a good case would be "robin williams" and I'm sorry you went through that awful transit =( IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted July 10, 2015 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I remember Kurt had SUN conjunct RIP, MOON conjunct ORCUSr (lessons through death or something?), and CHIRON conjunct GRAVES.
I'm not sure if it actually means anything, but thought it was worth mentioning.
that's very interesting asteroids do seem to tell something IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted July 10, 2015 08:16 PM
Neptune in the 8th house may make someone idealize death as an escape to life's troubles. Also, I think Saturnian types rarely commit suicide. It's mostly the Neptunian types that do. IP: Logged |
fireopal09
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posted July 10, 2015 09:06 PM
As someone who has survived and dealt with numerous suicides, I'm glad your here.If you weren't, you would mess up the survivors in a massive way. Most of the people I lost were water heavy. I am too, but I've survived. ------------------
Claire
"When going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
-HST IP: Logged |
Carlos113
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posted July 11, 2015 05:16 AM
Colors of suicide(sorry!)Good fleeetspipe:-Suicide in 1(Major Suicide!bad...+)
Cojones: Bad aspected Mercury(Ela!)Bad..+
-Suicide in 2secs:
-Bad 8th house! ! IP: Logged |
Soltze
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posted July 11, 2015 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
^^^ nooooooo, my son has a tight moon/Pluto conjunction. He's going through puberty. I worry about him.
Just make sure you're a safe haven for him and that you will support him and be a caring presence. I have moon/Pluto conjunction and I know how much easier growing up could have been if I had a loving parent who I could really trust...I'm not saying you're not like that! ;-) It's just that moon/pluto can feel hurt for things that don't even cross your mind and we keep it bottled up inside. IP: Logged |
Queen Salome
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posted July 11, 2015 04:06 PM
I'm often thinking about suicide and I have tried to kill myself twice. I can't tell will I ever really do it, but I feel that life is too hard for me.....
I can temporarily post my chart.
I have Saturn square Mars (chart ruler), Mercury and ASC. IP: Logged |
Queen Salome
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posted July 11, 2015 04:14 PM
Angel4845,
you are having the same problem, right?
I just noticed your signature line.
I'm Libra Sun, Capricorn Moon and Aries Rising.IP: Logged |
ReadingTheStars95
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posted July 11, 2015 04:54 PM
I've had quite a few suicidal thoughts in the last few weeks..I have transit Saturn on my Pluto (for the second time.. xD) Transit Neptune squaring my Moon.. (I think this has been one of the hardest ones.. Especially considering I have a hard aspect between the Moon/Neptune in my natal..) And, I have also had Pluto on my IC quite a bit over the last few years, and I think it is getting close to my IC again.. If it isn't right on it yet. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 11, 2015 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My taurus 8th house lord is also my libra 1st house lord, Venus.
Venus is in my 1st conjunct Pluto/AC
Pluto/Venus are opposed my Jupiter
Venus is opposed ChironI find myself thinking about suicide at times, even though I don't want to...it's always there. I've written poetry about the feelings and suicide itself. I don't think I could ever actually go through with it. It's sad to me the my mind goes there at all. If I didn't have children that love me and need me, I'm not sure if I'd still be here.
Gaby have you tried psychotherapy? according to Freud there is an instinct to die. I guess everybody has it, but maybe people with 8th house theme are more aware of this push. i suspect there must be an old pain from which you have not healed.. or depending on your age, you may be going through a 'dark night of the soul' which happens when you feel that life lack meaning somehow. maybe you are angry and you have repressed this for long and then you get on yourself. i am tossing ideas. nothing written on stone.. just try to speak about this with someone who has the maturity to listen without judging or who dont freak out easily.. My best IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 11, 2015 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
^^^ nooooooo, my son has a tight moon/Pluto conjunction. He's going through puberty. I worry about him.
dont worry. one aspect do not define. I have moon square pluto and have never attempted.. i am in my 40s... of course i have thought of it in time of crisis, but never to actually do soemthing. i wonder if there is someone who has never thought of doing it in time of crisis... IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 11, 2015 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Gaby have you tried psychotherapy? according to Freud there is an instinct to die. I guess everybody has it, but maybe people with 8th house theme are more aware of this push. i suspect there must be an old pain from which you have not healed.. or depending on your age, you may be going through a 'dark night of the soul' which happens when you feel that life lack meaning somehow. maybe you are angry and you have repressed this for long and then you get on yourself. i am tossing ideas. nothing written on stone.. just try to speak about this with someone who has the maturity to listen without judging or who dont freak out easily..My best
It's not that I actually desire to die, it's just the thoughts come into my head seemingly out of nowhere...sometimes I've wondered if I did do this in a past life or I was shot in the head and Im seeing memories of it, it's always the same way...I'm shot in the face. It's not the desire to die it's seeing visions of it happening. IP: Logged |
astra7
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posted July 11, 2015 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
12th house
Perhaps certain squares to moon
Uranus hard aspect to asc? (Kurt Cobain had conjunct, yes?) Of course I would never [b]always include these people or exclude anyone that doesn't have these (and I'm sure there are other indicators). [/B]
But he was murdered!
Have you ever lived with junkies? I have.
Much less than what he was supposedly injected, these are regular users who fall asleep with syringe in their arms let alone able to shoot themselves!IP: Logged |
astra7
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posted July 11, 2015 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
I'm often thinking about suicide and I have tried to kill myself twice. I can't tell will I ever really do it, but I feel that life is too hard for me.....
I can temporarily post my chart.
I have Saturn square Mars (chart ruler), Mercury and ASC.
If you knew that you'd come back for sure, you wouldn't commit suicide. lol I realised it's pointless so now I am making sure not to reincarnate anymore. It's been a ****** life. Never again!IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars
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posted July 11, 2015 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Meatballzzzzzz:
@ReachingForTheStars: CupOfDavid said it beautifully. He truly is lucky to have a loving, caring and supportive mother that will listen and talk to him and guide him through his troubles. I never had that. But I can relate to him and feeling deeply (Moon in Cancer) and family support and talking I think is the most important thing. He seems like he is strong man and I genuinely think he will be fine. So don't worry love.
Thank you for those kind words, Meatballzzzzzz! I'm noticing a theme of having the right support.
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Originally posted by Soltze:
Just make sure you're a safe haven for him and that you will support him and be a caring presence. I have moon/Pluto conjunction and I know how much easier growing up could have been if I had a loving parent who I could really trust...I'm not saying you're not like that! ;-) It's just that moon/pluto can feel hurt for things that don't even cross your mind and we keep it bottled up inside.
You're absolutely right. Feeling hurt over things that wouldn't cross my mind (I'm a cap moon) is exactly what I worry about. I found myself in the past saying, "what are you crying about?" I mentioned his turbulent emotions and him being brought to tears easily. I say easily because he cries over things I don't necessarily feel are worthy of tears. I want him to feel safe and comfortable, but I don't want to reinforce his over sensitivity by indulging the behavior. In other words, I need to figure out some way for him to manage and express his emotions in a healthy way. Bottled emotions is the worst, and he definitely tries to keep them under wraps. It's so intense that I can see it. Thank you for your advice! IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars
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posted July 11, 2015 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
dont worry. one aspect do not define. I have moon square pluto and have never attempted.. i am in my 40s... of course i have thought of it in time of crisis, but never to actually do soemthing. i wonder if there is someone who has never thought of doing it in time of crisis...
Thank you for those encouraging words! I appreciate it. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right?!
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Gabby
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posted July 11, 2015 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by astra7:
If you knew that you'd come back for sure, you wouldn't commit suicide. lol I realised it's pointless so now I am making sure not to reincarnate anymore. It's been a ****** life. Never again!
Exactly!!
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ScorpieScorp
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posted July 11, 2015 11:08 PM
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If you knew that you'd come back for sure, you wouldn't commit suicide. lol I realised it's pointless so now I am making sure not to reincarnate anymore. It's been a ****** life. Never again![/B][/QUOTE] Astra--what do you mean by this? That if one commits suicide, that they reincarnate into the same sort of life again? IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 12, 2015 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
It's not that I actually desire to die, it's just the thoughts come into my head seemingly out of nowhere...sometimes I've wondered if I did do this in a past life or I was shot in the head and Im seeing memories of it, it's always the same way...I'm shot in the face. It's not the desire to die it's seeing visions of it happening.
somebody shooting at you sound like murder not suicide..LOL IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 12, 2015 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Queen Salome:
[b]I'm often thinking about suicide and I have tried to kill myself twice. I can't tell will I ever really do it, but I feel that life is too hard for me.....
I can temporarily post my chart.
I have Saturn square Mars (chart ruler), Mercury and ASC.
If you knew that you'd come back for sure, you wouldn't commit suicide. lol I realised it's pointless so now I am making sure not to reincarnate anymore. It's been a ****** life. Never again![/B][/QUOTE] well put!!! I see it is similar to any situation we run away. it catches up with up and every time is more compelling the need to face it IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 12, 2015 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
You're absolutely right. Feeling hurt over things that wouldn't cross my mind (I'm a cap moon) is exactly what I worry about. I found myself in the past saying, "what are you crying about?" I mentioned his turbulent emotions and him being brought to tears easily. I say easily because he cries over things I don't necessarily feel are worthy of tears. I want him to feel safe and comfortable, but I don't want to reinforce his over sensitivity by indulging the behavior. In other words, I need to figure out some way for him to manage and express his emotions in a healthy way. Bottled emotions is the worst, and he definitely tries to keep them under wraps. It's so intense that I can see it. Thank you for your advice!
I dont think you are spoiling him if you understand his intensity. you are judging his way of feeling with your own. as your way of feeling were the rule against all other expression of feelings should be measured. If you want to support him then try to understand the intensity in the pluto moon child. otherwise, he will repress those emotions and this will be worst. if he feels emotionally safe (difficult for a pluto moon child) then a healthier (still intense) expression of emotions will develop. from what I read, you are doing the opposite of offering him SAFETY.. by JUDGING his emotions.
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DopGang
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posted July 12, 2015 06:36 AM
Every time that I've walked away from suicide I will look back years later and the whole situation seems silly.
I also reflect back on what would have been the end of my life (point A) to where I am now (point B).
When I reflect on the many pleasant surprises, love, and gifts that life has given me between those points then it gives me more hope about the future.
To look at what I've gained after I thought that there was no more for me. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 12, 2015 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
I dont think you are spoiling him if you understand his intensity. you are judging his way of feeling with your own. as your way of feeling were the rule against all other expression of feelings should be measured. If you want to support him then try to understand the intensity in the pluto moon child. otherwise, he will repress those emotions and this will be worst. if he feels emotionally safe (difficult for a pluto moon child) then a healthier (still intense) expression of emotions will develop. from what I read, you are doing the opposite of offering him SAFETY.. by JUDGING his emotions.
I would add a good way to help him is to be sure that you are not (for cultural reasons) repressing your own intensity and the kid is expressing the intensity for him and for you. normally moon pluto contact convey a mother with an intensity emotionality which sometimes perceived unconsciously. the pluto moon connect very easily with mothers intensity and he becomes the carrier for both if the mother repress that herself. not sure about your placements but something in you is plutonian, or he perceives that way.. hope it makes sense. I would recommend LIZ GREENE. she was a very thorough book about pluto and in my opinion she is one of the few astrologer who does not use astro vocabulary without understanding its real meaning. IP: Logged |
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