posted July 12, 2015 06:50 AM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp

Astra--what do you mean by this? That if one commits suicide, that they reincarnate into the same sort of life again?

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YES ScorpieScorp.
If you don't clear your emotional hangups, overcome your weakness etc, you will be born with pretty much the same circumstance. I did.

If anyone wants to end the endless misery, read The Dawn of the Sixth Sun by Sergio Magana (ISBN: 9788896865064). It explains how to die, he explains 9 underworlds and 13 heavens. The content is from an ancient (4000 years old) teaching of aural tradition so the information hasn't been around very much but he is teaching this technique all over the world now. Very good teacher and I managed to learn many techniques just in two days. If you are determined to say good bye to this world for good, attend Healing with Black Light workshop. You will be able to deal with your suicidal wish, ancestoral baggage you may be affected with etc. Very powerful. You might as well live happier and richer life till your time comes. You do a fairly simple ceremony, no need to analyse what you might have done wrong etc. You look at what's wrong in your life, make offering of your negative experience and turn it into whatever you want! It's fantastic.

posted July 12, 2015 07:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
It's not that I actually desire to die, it's just the thoughts come into my head seemingly out of nowhere...sometimes I've wondered if I did do this in a past life or I was shot in the head and Im seeing memories of it, it's always the same way...I'm shot in the face. It's not the desire to die it's seeing visions of it happening.

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posted July 12, 2015 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
somebody shooting at you sound like murder not suicide..LOL

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posted July 12, 2015 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gabby:
[b] It's not that I actually desire to die, it's just the thoughts come into my head seemingly out of nowhere...sometimes I've wondered if I did do this in a past life or I was shot in the head and Im seeing memories of it, it's always the same way...I'm shot in the face. It's not the desire to die it's seeing visions of it happening.

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Originally posted by Soltze:
That sound like spiritual influence to me as well. Gabby you probably have psychic sensitiveness. Protect yourself.
When weird stuff pop in my head I say: "This isn't mine. Dear God help me to see clearly"
This might sound basic but a cup of salt with rue under your bed and some religious image or a written prayer under your pillow can help.
If you protect at night your days will be easier as well.

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I'd never thought of anything like that being the cause....that's something I need to think about.

posted July 12, 2015 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I can't tell if it's me or someone else...it's blurry and happens so fast. It feels like I wanted to die as it happens....but I know I don't want to die. It's confusing and don't get where it comes from.

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For protection, you need to renew it every so often likely weekly.

posted July 12, 2015 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gabby:
[b] I can't tell if it's me or someone else...it's blurry and happens so fast. It feels like I wanted to die as it happens....but I know I don't want to die. It's confusing and don't get where it comes from.

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For protection, you need to renew it every so often likely weekly.

There are many ways to combat/send back harmful/unwanted energy. As soon as the thought comes into your mind, the attacker is linked/hooked with you at that time so use that link to hit the attacker's third eye with an imaginary hammer or actually use a real hammer/rubber hammer to smash a board. If you want more gentle approach, just close up your brow chakra or wherever you feel there is a link by tying knots, zipp yourself with silver bubble etc....[/B][/QUOTE]

posted July 12, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I can't tell if it's me or someone else...it's blurry and happens so fast. It feels like I wanted to die as it happens....but I know I don't want to die. It's confusing and don't get where it comes from.

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there are many posibilities. excluding those of mind control which i dont know about, it may be the unconscious playing with you. it maybe something that you are not aware but it is trying to be heard. when you get this moments try to connect why this thought could be happening. maybe before you sleep write down that you want answer about this type of thought. eventually the symbols of the unconscious start becoming clear to you.. hope you find asnwers to this happening..

posted July 12, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by angel4845:
[b] What house does your saturn fall in? Does saturn make any aspect to your chart?

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Unbeliveable ... In your chart ,saturn seems to be a good advisor than a suicider topic. But you still feel it

I 'm totally understand this . I have a hard one .
Saturn conjunct Ac , widely conjunct my sun in first house , and square my moon.

Now I'm experiencing prog. Moon conjunct natal saturn and progress saturn exactly square my natal moon .

It's a real doom and I don't know where all of the sadness emotional come form? And I'm still fighting with it so hard to have a happy emotion like others people.

Overall my life is good ... but there will always be a glimpse that I thought I should have never been born and my inside is really empty .

posted July 12, 2015 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyKitty:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by angel4845:
[b] What house does your saturn fall in? Does saturn make any aspect to your chart?

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dear lovely kitty,
Everyone's got Saturn somewhere. All you need to know is that IT WILL PASS! Sit tight and distract your mind by indulging yourself in something you like.
Unbeliveable ... In your chart ,saturn seems to be a good advisor than a suicider topic. But you still feel it

I 'm totally understand this . I have a hard one .
Saturn conjunct Ac , widely conjunct my sun in first house , and square my moon.

Now I'm experiencing prog. Moon conjunct natal saturn and progress saturn exactly square my natal moon .

It's a real doom and I don't know where all of the sadness emotional come form? And I'm still fighting with it so hard to have a happy emotion like others people.

Overall my life is good ... but there will always be a glimpse that I thought I should have never been born and my inside is really empty .

I do envy whoever have moon-jupiter , esp conjunction . [/B][/QUOTE]

posted July 12, 2015 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
there are many posibilities. excluding those of mind control which i dont know about, it may be the unconscious playing with you. it maybe something that you are not aware but it is trying to be heard. when you get this moments try to connect why this thought could be happening. maybe before you sleep write down that you want answer about this type of thought. eventually the symbols of the unconscious start becoming clear to you.. hope you find asnwers to this happening..

best

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Well, no point in living in a fairly land, gotta read what people gets up to. Shocking! :O

posted July 12, 2015 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
I dont think you are spoiling him if you understand his intensity. you are judging his way of feeling with your own. as your way of feeling were the rule against all other expression of feelings should be measured. If you want to support him then try to understand the intensity in the pluto moon child. otherwise, he will repress those emotions and this will be worst. if he feels emotionally safe (difficult for a pluto moon child) then a healthier (still intense) expression of emotions will develop. from what I read, you are doing the opposite of offering him SAFETY.. by JUDGING his emotions.

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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Lol.

It's more complicated than that. What I see are these strong, intense, and incredibly unhealthy reactions to things that ARE, and should be noticed as insignificant. I acknowledge his feelings - it's not his feelings that I am unwilling to indulge - but I won't justify or encourage the perceptions behind those feelings. It's not ok to feel suicidal over my limiting his gaming time, and I'm pretty liberal about it. He can tell me how he feels about it; I won't tell him he's silly for feeling a certain way, but I will try to untangle the misunderstanding. You see ... Most healthy adults can recognize the value in such a rule, and understand why a parent would enforce such a thing. He feels like I'm punishing him with it because maybe, I hate him. That mentality is not okay, and I notice these kinds of thoughts and faulty reasoning in emotionally unstable people. They are quick to negative assumptions. I'm not like, "NO, BAD, WRONG, DONT DO THAT, YOU CANT, OR SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT WAY!" Let me help you understand. I don't want to reconcile his feeling with mine, but I do need to help him develop the right attitude and perspectives. He has to go out into a world that will do nothing but judge. There are social standards that needs to be followed in order to feel acceptance which I see he wants, so it's a complicated struggle for balance. If he reacts the way he does over gaming limits how will he react with a bully. I can totally see him shooting up a school. I cannot always be there to redirect the dark places he frequents in his mind. He will need to do that for himself. I'm sure you understand this.

I have a Pisces friends whose husband threatens suicide, whose father constantly terrorized her with suicide threats (he actually did it two years ago), and now, she enables unhealthy behaviors in her daughter because she's just so emotionally scarred. Her daughter is a wreck (Scorpio stellium including sun and moon). She's is only 9, but when she's hurt, it's this over the top, drawn out, dramatized, fetal position, shaking, wailing, rocking like an autistic because of some provoked deed. Look, this is not ok. I watch these situations unfold from beginning to end. This little girl (my friend's daughter) was bossing around her cousin one day saying, "I'm not going to play with you if we don't get to play what I want." They were supposed to take turns doing things, but when it came to her cousins choice of activity, my friend's daughter would try to postpone or deflect, saying stuff like, "only one more minute, it's not a lot, don't be so bossy," - she was just being a brat. She was guilt tripping her cousins into doing what she wanted and tried to make her feel bad about it. It's emotional blackmail - kinda the same thing a person does by threatening suicide to gain control over someone else's behavior. Again - this is not ok, and OMG! My friend will play into this, and it annoys the hell out of me. If we stop being friends, it's because I've confronted her about this which is just inevitable. Anyways, my friend's daughter threatened to stop playing with her cousin again, and her cousins responded appropriately, she said, "if you are going to keep being mean then I don't want to play with you, so fine! Don't play with me!" My friend's daughter started to literally shake and shiver, and rock like an autistic, gasping for air and sobbing as if she was dying... My friend went up to two girls and literally ripped into her niece like you would to an adult, forced her to apologize AND wait on her daughter until she felt better which again was way drawn out. I almost lost my mind!!!! I tried to reason with my friend, explain the situation as I saw it, but she loses it.... Completely breaks down in tears defending her daughter. This is what I cannot indulge. I know she wants to protect her daughter, but she needs to be more objective and encourage her daughter to take responsibility for her part in the situation, and have proper perspective. No one tried to hurt her, she was no victim, and she had no reason to feel the way she did.

If I don't redirect his thoughts and perspectives, my son will react similarly to things feeling attacked, abused in some way, or unloved. In most, if not all cases, this is not ok! It's not right because it's not accurate. Do you see what I mean? It's more a reality, not a judgement. I want him to have a healthy attitude, and adequate control over himself. My objective is to empower him, and this takes self-control, emotional fortitude, and some objectivity. Those are the things I want to encourage. I know his instinctual reactions will always be strong and intense which is fine, I can respect that, but he needs to develop some self-control, and put things into proper perspective.

With all due respect to you and your opinion, telling me, "you are judging his way of feeling with your own. as your way of feeling were the rule against all other expression of feelings should be measured" is a hasty rush to judgement, and a prime example of the type emotional reaction I've been trying to reference. I wrote what I did because I wanted to acknowledged some of the things said to me without going into too much detail. It was a superficial response, so I'm surprised you read so much into it. I'm sorry if I offended you, and I am grateful for your response, but I do have some pretty strong opinions. What I've come to appreciate is people like you and people like me are good for each other. I really appreciate the honesty and emotional transparency, and my Plutonian friends and family appreciate my objectivity.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
I would add a good way to help him is to be sure that you are not (for cultural reasons) repressing your own intensity and the kid is expressing the intensity for him and for you. normally moon pluto contact convey a mother with an intensity emotionality which sometimes perceived unconsciously. the pluto moon connect very easily with mothers intensity and he becomes the carrier for both if the mother repress that herself. not sure about your placements but something in you is plutonian, or he perceives that way.. hope it makes sense. I would recommend LIZ GREENE. she was a very thorough book about pluto and in my opinion she is one of the few astrologer who does not use astro vocabulary without understanding its real meaning.

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posted July 15, 2015 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
So you are saying that people reincarnate only if they commit suicide?

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posted July 15, 2015 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
there are many posibilities. excluding those of mind control which i dont know about, it may be the unconscious playing with you. it maybe something that you are not aware but it is trying to be heard. when you get this moments try to connect why this thought could be happening. maybe before you sleep write down that you want answer about this type of thought. eventually the symbols of the unconscious start becoming clear to you.. hope you find asnwers to this happening..

best

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posted July 21, 2015 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
What are some indicators of suicide in the natal?

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Suicide is a final outcome to a person's life. I don't look at natal factors in this way. I look for positive potentials and how a person can use those to be healthy, happy, and enjoying a sense of purpose.

There may be indicators that a person's mental health may need more care than with most people. We generally see that in Lunar, Neptunian, and 12th house factors. Sometimes it shows in Uranus factors, or as a heavy Saturn/Capricorn factor (when added to others).

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posted December 04, 2015 04:00 PM              

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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:

Saturn's in the first house. My chart's in my signature, if you want to take a look at it.

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I took a look, because I did the same as you did, 4 years ago. We have some things in common, like the Mars-Pluto, 3HR in aspect to Saturn, 8HR (yours I think might be the Sun and so) hard aspect Mars and Pluto; if your 8HR really is Moon, than hard aspect with ruler of the 12th/Asc.

Aside from those, some things I think pointed to depression/dysthimia/suicide attempt in my case have been:

-Cap rising squared by 4 planets
-Venus unaspected (talk about anhedonia!!)
-12H ruled by Saturn in Scorpio, conj Pluto (too much darkness in my subconscious, just too much)
-Mercury opp Saturn and Pluto (same goes for my 3HR); Mercury is my 8HR.

posted December 04, 2015 09:16 PM            

Suicide is not the direct result of placements, but of despair and/or delusion.

posted December 04, 2015 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Libra stellium a are NOT supposed to be this unhappy

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Libra can only be happy if the scales are balanced. If not, then they'll be anxious at best, can show the crabby side which Libra has (whether as a result of the scales too out of whack or as a cardinal "balance" to the diplomatic side is up for debate), and downright insane (capable of harming self or others) at worst. Linda Goodman described how even working in an office with a bad color scheme could wreck Libra (though I'm not that fussy myself, and LG has been known to exaggerate for comedic effect). I imagine a stellium makes it all the easier for the scales to go out of whack as only one set of scales need to go out of whack to affect the person born with such a chart, and if several of those scales became unbalanced, I could see it becoming very bad.