posted August 13, 2015 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Noooo i love your posts, i hope you`ll change your mind hehe.

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Okay, since you asked. Keep in mind that this is more me "thinking out loud" and points to factors that may be involved, even if only indirectly, as well as some personal experience.

I seem to get strong reactions both ways from men and women. My GUESS is that the Pluto/Neptune sextile that includes nearly every other planet (and sun, but not Jupiter which is in Scorpio) powers up the Neptune so that people easily see illusions. For some they see their dreams, others see their nightmares. I also suspect that my Venus-Saturn-Pluto (and Sun) in 3H Libra (Scorpio cusp) is why I tend to get along great with some neighbors and such (like those I've gone to school with) but poorly with others.

It can be both, like a Scorpio who only knew me over the internet who decided I was his soulmate and wasn't interested in my reasons why this could not be who made a determined effort to find my address. (One thing he did was send me a "fun questionnaire" which included asking what my area code was which meant he could find my city, and then my last 4 digits which means he could use Google maps to plot a course to my home, since he knew I only kept a cell for emergencies. That was the last straw and I blocked him but in retrospect I wish I'd done a little research and then given him the area code for another city and then the last 4 digits for whatever police department that deals with stalkers! )

There was a high school counselor who believed her newsletter and thought I was a member of a Satanic cult, something that still baffles me (and I consider it a scandal that someone like her was ALLOWED to be a school counselor!) and one boy a couple years or so older than me actually feared me as a witch to the point that I told him to jump he would. As I got older it was other things that just gobsmack me that they could even suspect such things, let alone believe them for the thinnest reasons and even falling back on vague concepts as "intuition" when they can't rationally justify their bizarre beliefs (though one guy who said his "detective's intuition" told him I'd jimmied opened some laundry machines got him laughed at by those he told that to and told that's why he's not a detective anymore ). That definitely affects how people get along with me, both genders (which have general tendencies though of course there are always exceptions), for better and for worse.

But I had my close friends as well, both genders, though overall I found boys more supportive and I think that's indirectly due to my 5H Sag Mars-Uranus which could make me direct, even confrontational, in a way most girls frowned on, and the vibe was so free and happy go lucky that it frightened and offended them, generally speaking. Therefore when I was in school most girls despised me (though there were a few I was close to) and they'd make trouble in any way they thought they could get away with (up to violence and intimidation in some cases though my tendency to shift gears and respond in kind--and in addition to that Sag stellium I also have a Leo ASC--almost always nipped that in the bud fast).

In contrast, boys found me straightforward so they didn't have to figure me out or second guess everything I said, and furthermore I was actually interesting. Sure, they were attracted to girls, but much of what girls were into (beyond wanting intimacy) bored the hell out of them. (A few boys also took offense at my tomboy ways or tried to give me a hard time--though many of these boys did so based on the lies girls told about me--but the boys I was friends with would stand up for me.) Overall I found boys much more supportive of me being a tomboy and such than the girls, and the boys supporting me only alienated the girls further who then saw me as competition of the worst sort--competent (and of course all I did was just a ploy to get boys in their minds).

But once free of school I was better able to select who I was around which changed everything (oddly, when I dropped out of school and began unschooling I actually became more popular with kids in school than I'd ever been in my life!). And though I've encountered miserable jealous frenemies I was now much more capable of icing them out when I realized what they were and not having to face social consequences for having done so.

When I babysat I usually got along with boys and girls both. One little girl even called me when her mom was sick because she didn't know who else to call (and her mom forbid her from calling 911) as I inspired such confidence in her (In contrast I barely remembered her though I didn't say that).

And I was very popular with some women...especially lesbians, when I went through a bad breakup there was a large group trying to "comfort" me (and not just a one night stand way) to the point they were confronting each other because they could show up around me at the very same time so that I told them I had to recover first and would tell them when I was ready to date (rather than be overwhelmed by all the extra drama they were bringing into my life) and all that again which slowed that down to a trickle.

Not that there haven't been problems there as well, like when my Mars-Uranus got me in trouble when I asked one loud and proud (supposed) lesbian why she hated bisexuals so much when she appeared to have more sex with men than many straight women. I think what made it worse is that I asked without sarcasm, I was genuinely curious (I was 19 and still relatively new to mixing with lesbian-only crowds) and so many others who heard me ask started laughing (and some of the laughter sounded mean). (In retrospect I believed she hid her bisexuality and overcompensated to show she was a "true lesbian" because bisexuals were often dismissed as someone you couldn't trust and not only did my question cut through the paper thin lie she was living but my 5H Sag stellium, sextile to my Pluto, put out an uninhibited vibe which she lacked and thus hated me for being carefree when she was not.) She lunged at me and I'm very grateful for my fast reflexes back then (I think my Libra sun and stellium gives my Sag stellium the grace that most Sag suns lack, and I was also sober, unlike her) and my ability to use her speed and clumsiness (and intoxication) to trip her so that I had plenty of time to run and skate away (the laughter getting even louder).

I resolved that it would be a long time before I showed my face around there again (and as it turned out I moved a few months later anyway). And going back to the illusion thing probably caused by Neptune tied with so many of my planets this was also about the same time when a man thought I must be a dominatrix and would not listen to me when I said I wasn't, and he wanted me to whip him, it was rather disturbing to me. But at least he liked me, even if it was like that guy who'd later cyberstalk me thinking I was his soul mate despite that we never met.

Oh yeah, shortly before that I'd known a Wiccan online and I said I was coming down so we could hang out. She eagerly met me as we got along so well online (back then I was much more careful in how I wrote and was being tutored by an English major so that some people actually thought I was a college professor!) but I was not how she imagined (she'd pictured me as nerdy down to the glasses from reading so much) and when I stepped off the bus with my short hair dyed different colors, Doc Martens, and trenchcoat with patches and other designs promoting neopagan and other fringe topics, including pro-pot (though I wasn't a pothead) she changed her mind fast about wanting to be seen with me (I was also 18 while she was in her 30s, and she was also in the "broom closet" as her family would never accept a Wiccan). That would be my Leo ASC making an impression while advised by my 5H Sag Mars-Uranus (at least the Libra stellium helped me to coordinate my colors!) which just isn't going to mesh well with the average woman of any age. (I don't appear that way these days.)

posted August 14, 2015 01:56 AM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
I think aqua moon in women for sure creates problems with other women. We're not the 'hen party' type and that creates clashes.

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posted August 14, 2015 04:30 AM            

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Originally posted by HoodBlaze:
What do you guys mean by hard aspects?

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I'm not sure if you've had anyone answer this yet somehow..

posted August 14, 2015 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Let me know if you ever write a book,PJ.
I think u readable.

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posted August 14, 2015 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by HoodBlaze:
What do you guys mean by hard aspects?

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What ReadingTheStars said but also any aspect where the energies are not compatible.

Any Mars/Saturn aspect is difficult, the energies clash. Saturn conjunctions tend to be hard as well.

posted August 15, 2015 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
For women, if it's moon and the hard aspect is moon square neptune, does this mean that women especially will be deceitful towards this person or out to get them?

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I've had crap ascribed to me that I didn't even do throughout the years.

posted August 15, 2015 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by fireopal09:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cchampliss2:
[b]For women, if it's moon and the hard aspect is moon square neptune, does this mean that women especially will be deceitful towards this person or out to get them?

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I've had crap ascribed to me that I didn't even do throughout the years.

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That is really crappy.

posted August 15, 2015 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I've come to consider conjunctions as hard aspects.
Those planets are forced to work together. Working independently from each other is difficult. They're stuck like Siamese twins. They may not have the same personality but where one is, there's the other and there's no other option.
Some days it works well and other days it's a pain.

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posted August 15, 2015 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Yeah, someone mentioned moon-pluto. I have the conjunction and most women look at me like they hate me. Even in the street.
Men are a bit scared or intimidated, like they have to be reassured I like them.

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posted August 15, 2015 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Women that have a "masculine" chart or a very stressful chart (lots of hard aspects), other women target them. It seems like women always target the more confident outspoken one with strong personalities.

Also I think the type of women that would behave the way you are saying towards other women would have hard pluto aspects or pluto on the asc or pluto in hard aspect to the moon. The jealousy, and not being able to be happy for you if you have something they covet or if you are competition for them. Maybe martian energy but not really aries mars, just scorpio mars.

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Right on the money here! It took me FOREVER to realize a lot of the drama caused in my friendships actually WAS NOT my fault! (Sun square Neptune probably makes me dippy like that, plus Neptune in the 7th).

posted August 16, 2015 07:32 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
With women it's moon and Venus. If you have moon in favorable aspect, trine or sextile, to Venus or Jupiter, you can expect to have a generally good experience with both men and women. It can make you popular, if you area a man. Women in particular will find you appealing.

If you have Mars conjunct moon it can mean you quarrel with women and compete.

Moon square Pluto can indicate a jealous nature that needs to be confronted for growth to occur.

For men it's Sun and Mars. If you have Sun square Mars or Saturn, it can indicate abuse from men. Sun square Pluto can indicate violence or even death at the hands of a man or men, maybe even a mob of them. Sun square Pluto might definitely indicate mob justice. A really great aspect is Sun in trine, conjunction or sextile with Jupiter. It can mean your father was a prominent citizen who looked out for your best interests and you will inherit material wealth from him. If a man, your friends are influential and benefit you. If a woman, you marry an influential and beneficial man who will be prominent in the community. He could have ties to religion or spirituality. He could have a lot of money.
Mars square Pluto is a dangerous aspect that can attract criminals or jealous people, so watch out with this one!

Venus conjunct, square or opposite Saturn - people limit their affection toward you and it can cause you to feel depressed.

Mars conjunct, square or opposite Saturn - you feel others want to limit your activities or what you desire to do. You feel as if fate is against what you desire most for yourself. You feel a lot of frustration and feel others are the cause.

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Oh no, my daughter has Sun square Pluto!

posted August 16, 2015 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I know this is general but Libra Sun women that I've known have all had issues getting along with other women.

Other signs that I've dated didn't have that issue anywhere near how Libras did. I think it's Libras need for balance, keeping peace, etc etc. It's seen as fake. I don't see it as fake by the way. They really do genuinely want pleasant relationships among all people.

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Libra isn't a feminine sign to begin with. Libra is something masculine in a feminine mask. It has also been my observation that Libra is the most combative entity in the workplace.

Libra rules balance which creates harmony this DOES NOT mean peace. War is the counter balance to peace and death is the counterbalance to life, together these event creates harmony in the life cycle.