posted August 19, 2015 04:06 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I noticed the semisquare and the sesisquare being "trigger-aspects" btw. When something comes to a peak or even a turning point, of course the 4th harmonic aspects are even more significant in this regard as making you pay attention, but the 8th harmonics are not to be underestimated.

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This, in combination with what Rudhyar and Kannon said, which is pretty much the same thing, I think summarizes the essence of the 8th harmonic. Although their presence in the natal or synastries contributes to personality traits (natal or of the couple) they seem to have an important eventful purpose. They are "triggers", as the above brilliant astrologers said

Just to give an example with my synastry. I have Mercuries in trine by sign, but in a sesquis. Apart from this aspect contributing to a very lively back and forth when it comes to communication, many events between us seem to have been triggered by words. One word and pouff, there is a turn of events in the dynamics of the relationship. (something between daily and crucial events)

Looking at this from the perspective of the natal chart, and this is for you to confirm or not, Faith, the first thought about your Moon/Saturn sesquis energy would be that there must have been some events in relation to your parents or between your parents affecting you, with the flavor of the aspect (perhaps the one I described). Apart from this, there could or should be events, some turning points ( perhaps not as significant and life changing as the 4th, as Kannon says, but still some important events), in relation to what these planets rule in your chart and their position in houses.

Normally, looking back and checking when the aspect is transited or maybe becomes exact, as Kannon said, you should even find some pretty much exact dates when those happened.

So this is something interesting for all of us to check, at least from now on.

Both 4th and 8th harmonic correlate with Moon phases, which is about tides and the cycles of life, and all Moon phases, as we see them astrologically, are marking each cycle with events: the day you plant the seed, the first sprout, the day of the first tide etc.

All these aspects have trigger potential (hidden in the natal chart), just as Ceri says.

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posted August 19, 2015 04:37 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

Haha...have you seen it? I just looked at it again. I'm still incredulous and offended.

*edits hair rant

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ahhhh it's gone!

the post was perfect for an open letter to J.

just kidding!

I think it keeps the head warm for brewing and concocting New Age ideas; don't underestimate the power of Hair

"I'm just a hairy guy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dyl0j3WU6Y

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posted August 19, 2015 06:13 AM            

1.) http://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Moon-Sesquiquadrate-Pluto
2.) http://astrology3d.com/cgi-bin/stargate4.py?date1=02%2F20%2F1985&place1=New+York%2CNY&long1=+74W00&labels=1&time1=8%3A58PM&Payment=0&amt=1495&zone1=+5.00&name1=Vava&lat1=40N43&Type =1E7&email=m.virtuose%40gmail.com
3.) http://astrotribe.tribe.net/thread/e618666d-d359-4b81-bb95-bd47e2a2493b
- for Moon/Pluto

posted August 19, 2015 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@Sunnya,

Thanks for elaborating! It's interesting when you try and get into the process by which something subconscious sort of gets "born" and maybe you only realize after you see a change, that you were changing subconsciously?

And maybe the sesquisquare can play into those processes...or they describe the gradual dawning of awareness about how we are morphing outside of our own usual mental habits of observation, and then the shaping of our intentions, with the subconscious in mind.

You know, it's one way we connect with our Higher Selves...by looking at what we've manifested and sometimes seeing how or why we did it, from the vantage point of hindsight and added wisdom.

(Not to put too fine a point on it or talk above my station!)

I also relate to a lot of what you said ~ I went through some similar changes with my Saturn Return, for one thing.

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Ah yes, I totally agree about being one of the ways to realize our connection with our Higher Selves!
And no worries you can be direct and talk freely with me . I like that.

It's an interesting internal process and Sequis pokes us until we see it and act upon it and evolve from it.

I have quite a few squares (Leo/Scorpio bumping heads) in my chart so I am used to inwards processes lol. Sequis seem to be a milder version of a square and a less in your face energy.

posted August 19, 2015 12:06 PM            

Great insights as always.

I honestly don't know whether to take a more mechanistic view of it, as Kannon does, focusing more strictly on transits, or to see it in more of a detailed light, as I believe Rudhyar did, though I haven't encountered any direct quotes from him.

I may need to open a discussion about the personality of each aspect. This is the underlying premise of the author I linked to in my post on the Tri-Octile (page 2.)

I actually explored this in depth with my friend Xiiro, who introduced me to that author and the concept of the Eon.

As anyone who knows me knows, I revere Xiiro as an astrologer, possibly more than Rudhyar...and if you are out there reading this, X, please please come home to LL.

So with all my background it's hard to lay that aside and say, "Oh, it's only a square and a half, a transit-trigger. Next!"

You wrote:

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Looking at this from the perspective of the natal chart, and this is for you to confirm or not, Faith, the first thought about your Moon/Saturn sesquis energy would be that there must have been some events in relation to your parents or between your parents affecting you, with the flavor of the aspect (perhaps the one I described). Apart from this, there could or should be events, some turning points ( perhaps not as significant and life changing as the 4th, as Kannon says, but still some important events), in relation to what these planets rule in your chart and their position in houses.

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It's all kind of simple. My mother died when I was young, and my father basically took on the role of both parents. I have an 8H Pisces moon ruling the 12H, with 12H Saturn sesqui moon.

Definitely this has been a major theme of my life with repercussions everywhere.

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Both 4th and 8th harmonic correlate with Moon phases, which is about tides and the cycles of life, and all Moon phases, as we see them astrologically, are marking each cycle with events: the day you plant the seed, the first sprout, the day of the first tide etc.

All these aspects have trigger potential (hidden in the natal chart), just as Ceri says.

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Moreso than other harmonics, right? It would make sense.

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I think it keeps the head warm for brewing and concocting New Age ideas; don't underestimate the power of Hair

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ROTFL...

And see my location. Trust me, I don't.

That video clip is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time I want them to play this at my funeral when I die. It reflects my core value system. Well my NN is ruled by Libra Pluto...beauty is destiny.

posted August 19, 2015 12:28 PM            

But see how it went tragically awry, with the deviant bangs?

Maybe they just sprouted after the fact and that's why he looks so forlorn. It was just his own body turning against him.

But I'm more inclined to think he turned to "cutting" voluntarily.

Sighhhh

It almost goes without saying that I have more respect for the "topless mullet with beard "school of astrology:

^ Steven Forrest

^ Rick Levine

posted August 19, 2015 12:36 PM            

I'm so sorry for putting you through all that trouble, I thought it was just from one link. Nevertheless, thanks! I had no idea readings were available. My bad.

@Ail,

Sounds accurate.

@Sunnya,

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This is a very interesting thread, thanks Faith and thanks for your input!

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Thanks and you, too! It's been nice meeting you.

posted August 19, 2015 12:45 PM            

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Very interesting way of putting it. Wow.

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Aww, thank you just trying to describe how it feels as something very important, an overarching theme whilst also being absent. Kind of notable in its absence of full manifestation because it feels so important which from what I gather fits with some theories here. Still can't properly describe how it feels but it has for some time felt important.

posted August 19, 2015 01:01 PM            

I think what differentiate this aspect from the hard aspects and Scorpio moon is that I'm not exactly against Pluto (like the square and opposition) nor am i identifying transformation with my emotional nature. I don't go through a day going from being ecstatic to feel like dying.

I'm aware my mother can use manipulative tactics but I seem to deal with them as they come.

posted August 19, 2015 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

@Sunnya,

Thanks and you, too! It's been nice meeting you.

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It's been nice meeting you too!

posted August 19, 2015 05:33 PM            

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@FreeLeon,

I'm so sorry for putting you through all that trouble, I thought it was just from one link. Nevertheless, thanks! I had no idea readings were available. My bad.

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posted August 19, 2015 05:40 PM              

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posted August 19, 2015 06:22 PM            

I'll drink to that.

posted August 20, 2015 03:02 PM            

I found this Astromatrix reading on Saturn sesqui Moon:

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You may feel some confusion in balancing your need for emotional self-expression with the demands of the outer world, which may lead to problems in the area of control of your feelings. Until you learn through experience, you may incur criticism for showing your feelings, or you may tend to try to curb the expression of feelings in yourself or in other people.

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posted August 20, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Aww, thank you just trying to describe how it feels as something very important, an overarching theme whilst also being absent. Kind of notable in its absence of full manifestation because it feels so important which from what I gather fits with some theories here. Still can't properly describe how it feels but it has for some time felt important.

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Accurately or not, I'm thinking of the oppositions and squares as the four perpendicular handles on a kind of helm that a person can grasp and maneuver to steer their way through life.

The sequisquare is that space between handles. You can't actively grip it and do something with it, you get no real leverage with it on its own. It's just a pause saying, "Which way will you go next? Left handle, right handle? This empty middle space between handles is where you just strive to increase your awareness about handling."

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Suppose ive also got an echo of it ( venus sesq pluto) in having sun in taurus opp scorpio asc but I can identify that strand as different to this one.

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posted August 20, 2015 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I have this aspect between Mercury-Jupiter and ASC-Saturn but it's hard for me to tell how they play out because my Merc is in Sagittarius and I'm Saturn dominant. ASC-Saturn perhaps has something to do with my somewhat Saturnian face and so far unbreakable bones. It's exact. My Mars-Neptune ss could contribute to my fondness of dance and weird sexuality. Any idea what this aspect between the NN and ASC could mean?

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I like your guesswork ~ and to broaden your sense of potential meanings, have you tried Googling each aspect?

I'll start you off

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Mercury Sesquiquadrate Jupiter: Conflicting Desires

You may feel some confusion when it comes to asserting yourself on the basis of your conscious feelings about someone or something, for there is some conflict between your desires and what your upbringing taught you was right. You are likely to do considerable experimenting to find out for yourself what is right for you, and how to go about getting what you want.

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Mars sesquiquadrate Neptune: Learning to Drive

You may feel quite confused when it comes to issues of self-assertion, for your upbringing has probably left you feeling that other people should come first. As you gain more experience, you will learn that this is not the case and you will learn to stand up for yourself more confidently; then your well developed imagination can be released for pursuit of your spiritual goals.

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Yes/No? Applies/Doesn't apply?

posted August 20, 2015 03:36 PM            

@Sunnya

posted August 23, 2015 04:52 AM              

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posted August 23, 2015 04:53 AM              

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^^Haha!

I'll drink to that.

Will catch up here later...

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