posted August 17, 2015 10:20 AM            

The sesquisquare aspect is a square and a half, 135 degrees.

In the natal charts generated by astro.com, the semisquare (45 degrees) and the sesquisquare both are indicated with a black dotted line. The sesquisquare glyph appears like a square capital letter Q in the aspect grid:

Astrotheme suggests different orbs for different charts, ranging from 1.5 to 2.5, as listed here.
Edit thanks to Free Leon: Astrodienst uses 3 degree orbs.

From that astrotheme link, a short reading for the natal chart:

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The semi-square (45 degrees) and the sesqui-square (135 degrees) are minor aspects of tension like the square, and as such, they make the native move ahead and evolve, but in a less intense way than the square.

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And a short reading for synastry:

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Regarding squares and sesqui-squares, it is obvious that there are tensions, and as with any tension, they manifest themselves as attractions at the beginning. Over time, tensions become difficult to deal with for both partners.

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posted August 17, 2015 10:30 AM            

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Where there is a sesquisquare, one planet’s energy is “stressing” the other one’s out. There is antagonism and an underlying disharmony that will eventually lead to the need to make decisions that will help to work things through.

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A sesquisquare is where you may be making a "mountain out of a mole-hill. The sesquisquare is a 135° angle (8° "orb" or less). It will reveal an area of frustration or disappointment. This is most likely due to the fact that you may be blowing the facts or situation clean out of proportion.

This aspect is asking you to chill out. It means that you need to develop some endurance, persistence and patience to avoid the overwhelming feelings of impatience and resentment.

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The sesquisquare aspect (135 degrees) is a major indicator of unbalance in one's life, either by transit, progression or natally. This aspect is also called the sesquare or the older name is sesquiquadrate. It can represent either a physical challenge such as a genetic imbalance causing a birth defect, or a it may represent a poor or untenable choice of behaviors.

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The sesquisquare often represents behaviors that are strongly stimulated by subconscious longings, or misguided attempts to make life turn out pleasantly by specific actions. The goal is far different from the result, bringing not what the owner intended because the sesquisquare aspect is irritating, uncomfortable, unhappy, maladjusted, or sorrowful in its result.

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To change a sesquisquare behavior requires a breakthrough in consciousness , or an intervention, such as periodically take place under the influence of a transformational transit by quincunx or the planet Uranus, Neptune or Pluto.

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posted August 17, 2015 10:53 AM            

Vigintile - 18 (3 degree orb)

Semi-Sextile - 30 (3 degree orb)

Decile - 36 (3 degree orb)

Semi-Square - 45 (3 degree orb)

Sextile - 60 (6 degree orb)

Quintile - 72 (3 degree orb)

Square - 90 (6 degree orb)

Tre-Decile - 108 (3 degree orb)

Trine - 120 (6 degree orb)

Sesqui-Square - 135 (3 degree orb)

Bi-Quintile - 144 (3 degree orb)

*147 degrees - I think this should be its own aspect; I know, its reduced to 3, but it is the first (potential) aspect that adds up to 12 (sacred number) and its the orbital meeting point of the Bi-Quintile and Quincunx aspects.

Quincunx - 150 (3 degree orb)

Opposition - 180 (6 degree orb)

I think the orbs should be established to maintain the consistency of 3, 6, and 9.

"If you only knew the magnificence of the numbers 3, 6, and 9 then you would have a key to the universe." - Nikola Tesla

Well, whether he really did say that or not, it is true.

Before anyone says it is only true because we work in base-10, I want you to remember why we work with a base-10 system... 10 fingers right? We, the microcosmos, are a reflection of the universe, the macrocosmos. The numbers 3, 6, and 9 hold the key.

"Mathematics is the language with which God wrote the universe" - Galileo

posted August 17, 2015 11:48 AM            

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posted August 17, 2015 12:06 PM            

Why does a minor aspect have two names?

Astrologers have too few qualms about making things more complex than they need to be, that's why. Not trying to start a fight, it's just the way I feel.

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Originally posted by Free Leon:
I'll be back later to share my sesquisquares. I just want to say I think the orb should be 3 degrees. It maintains the consistency of each aspect (most of them at least) adding up to 3, 6, or 9.

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Thanks for your opinion.

posted August 17, 2015 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I don't have one BUT I just wanted to tell you how awesome it is that you explain what it is and how to identify it easily on Astro.com

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Thanks! I looked for a thread like this, didn't find it, so I made it.

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Venus/chiron but meh. I know already that my Venus sucks donkey balls.

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Hopefully this thread will supply more insights about how the aspect may function in your life.

posted August 17, 2015 01:25 PM              

I have a Fist of God in my chart, an aspectifgure that has a square as basis and two sesisquares to a third planet, which of course means that third planet is on the midpoint of the squaring planets.

In my case it involves asteroids/centaurs/angles, but I count it anyway.

my Chiron on 20 Aries in 4th house
square
my Vertex on 21 Cancer in 8th house

and both are sesisquare
my Mars on 5 Sagittarius in 12th house.

This is what my astrology report from darkstar astrology said about it:

"Mars is also the action point of the Fist of God.
Chiron square Vertex means means your test is to reconcile the destiny encounters with the
wounding. These special people that enter your life have wounded you and/or you have
wounded them, most likely in battle, physical or spiritual. This square focuses on your Mars.
You can deal with this dilemma by fighting, or through passion. The energy is very intense
and Mars can also heal, This is spiritual with vertex and Chiron, the pain and wounding of
the past can be transformed into great healing through spirituality, alternative methods
(Chiron astrology, homeopathy, massage). Sex is a major factor. The raw aggressive
energy can be transmuted through sex, taking this energy higher by making it spiritual and
healing, kundulini stuff, tantric sex, but also very intense and even dangerous, impulsive"

The third planet with the sesisquare here seems to present a possible resolution or at least a path for expression of the square aspect; but that can only come with the dynamic tension it represents. Because without tension we would not change anything. Noone changes because everything feels perfect as it is.

Also in the case of the square with semisquares to a third planet, Robert Blashke spoke of how there takes some sort of implosion place, as the focus on pressure on the third planet is strong (the tension of the square directed into it), and at a point he can`t hold the dynamic energy anymore and it erupts out of the planet.

I personally do not have such a picture natally, however Mr Sag`s Venus falls at the exact midpoint of my Jupiter-Neptune/NN-square, having exact semisquares to all three of those.

posted August 17, 2015 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have a Fist of God in my chart

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That's so you!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
...an aspectifgure that has a square as basis and two sesisquares to a third planet, which of course means that third planet is on the midpoint of the squaring planets.

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I have a loose fist of God...more like, slightly bent hand of God...in my chart:

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As you see, there's a triangle of moon square Neptune (almost 6 orb), both sesquisquare Saturn (almost 3 orb, each).

Not really legitimate if the orbs are too wide but the geometry caught my eye, and I figure it makes a decent visual aid for someone trying to picture the configuration.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In my case it involves asteroids/centaurs/angles, but I count it anyway.

This is what my astrology report from darkstar astrology said about it

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Looks spicy!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Also in the case of the square with semisquares to a third planet, Robert Blashke spoke of how there takes some sort of implosion place, as the focus on pressure on the third planet is strong (the tension of the square directed into it), and at a point he can`t hold the dynamic energy anymore and it erupts out of the planet.

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So Astrodienst says I have a Fist of God. Saturn would be the third planet, and it is set for implosion. I wonder how an imploding, retrograde Saturn on the Cancer-Leo Cusp would look? Especially when it's buckling under a Pisces moon and Neptune, the cloud twins?

Doesn't sound pretty. More like, nutso.

I think I've been imploding in slow motion for many years now.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I personally do not have such a picture natally, however Mr Sag`s Venus falls at the exact midpoint of my Jupiter-Neptune/NN-square, having exact semisquares to all three of those.

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Hmmm! Well, you know what I always say, lucky him!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually it means this square of mine is also the basis of a Fist of God (though loosely) directed at his Juno. as his Venus-Juno-opposition runs right through the midpoint axis of my Jupitr-Neptune/NN-square. whatever that means . lol

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posted August 17, 2015 02:44 PM              

"As you see, there's a triangle of moon square Neptune (almost 6 orb), both sesquisquare Saturn (almost 3 orb, each).

Not really legitimate if the orbs are too wide "

This is a special case though; if Saturn is 3 degrees to each, and the square itself is 6 orb, Saturn MUST be on the midpoint of Moon/Neptune, which is like a laserbeam channelling that Moon/Neptune into Saturn.

posted August 17, 2015 02:46 PM              

I do think however that in the best case scenario this Saturn can take all the emotionalism, creativity and escapist tendencies and fantasies of Moon/Neptune and transform them into something practically applicable, grounded, realistic, give the fantasies a realistic grounded expression.
On good days.

posted August 17, 2015 02:59 PM              

What can I say but...
(not just as serious though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN0MjjJ4Qcw

posted August 17, 2015 03:07 PM              

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I think it means your paths cross a lot whether you want them to or not! (Got your email! Replying soon.)

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Literally as it seems.

posted August 17, 2015 05:38 PM            

For now I want to try and decipher my...

12H Leo Saturn sesquisquare 8H Pisces moon
2.35 orb, separating

Applying first interpretation above: ...One planet’s energy is 'stressing' the other one’s out. There is antagonism and an underlying disharmony that will eventually lead to the need to make decisions that will help to work things through.

It's difficult because Saturn is in Pisces' house. So for Saturn to accuse the moon of stress is kinda hard to imagine...it's not like Saturn was going to be uber effective in the 12H anyway. What could Saturn's argument with my moon be? Maybe: "It's hard for me to block all emotion when you're so emotional. You make me feel unsuccessful because you're like an endless abyss of painful things." And then the moon's counter-argument is the inverse: "What's your gripe, there is no way to feel as deeply as I need to, when you are freezing up my whole house."

Applying the second interpretation:
A sesquisquare is where you may be making a "mountain out of a mole-hill. The sesquisquare is a 135° angle (8° "orb" or less). It will reveal an area of frustration or disappointment. This is most likely due to the fact that you may be blowing the facts or situation clean out of proportion.

Okay, you see me doing that with the "drama queen" writing I just did above. LOL

Applying the third interpretation:
The sesquisquare often represents behaviors that are strongly stimulated by subconscious longings, or misguided attempts to make life turn out pleasantly by specific actions. The goal is far different from the result, bringing not what the owner intended because the sesquisquare aspect is irritating, uncomfortable, unhappy, maladjusted, or sorrowful in its result.

posted August 17, 2015 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This is a special case though; if Saturn is 3 degrees to each, and the square itself is 6 orb, Saturn MUST be on the midpoint of Moon/Neptune, which is like a laserbeam channelling that Moon/Neptune into Saturn.

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How on earth have I been THIS oblivious this long? I guess because I've focused mostly on the Ebertin midpoint charts that are arranged in zodiacal order, and they put my Neptune/moon MP at 0 Aquarius, not 0 Leo.

But anyway you're so right:

Moon-Neptune MP = Saturn, 0.06 orb

Unfortunately John Sandbach's midpoint interpretation page has expired....

Fortunately I completely relate to your intepretation, so who needs Sandbach. On bad days it's not just discontent, it's that I can't get anything done, because I honestly and genuinely don't see the purpose of it, or it's something necessary but tedious, and my Saturn hates HATES anything it considers tedious.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How nice for him...

What can I say but...
(not just as serious though)

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Heheheh I like that song!

I don't see your situation that way, but no, it's no fun that he's married.

For now.

posted August 17, 2015 06:37 PM              

I love this descriptions here (to read the entire thread)

I find it most helpful to look at the phase in which the aspect occurs. So the sesquiquadrate can occur twice:

Within orb of 135 degrees- First quarter phase or gibbous phase
and within orb of 225 degrees- Full phase or disseminating phase

All sesquiquadrates will occur either at the end of a phase or the very beginning of a phase.
The 135 degree sesquiqudrate can occur at the very end of the first quarter phase or the very beginning of the disseminating phase.

The archetypal nature of the sesquiquadrate, as I understand it, is micromanaging the purpose in such a way that it can find an expression that is appropriate for the current reality. This is fundamentally different than the inconjunct. The inconjunct correlates to the need to become aware of a special purpose that the soul is meant to fulfill, and the crisis in aligning with the appropriate actions neccesary in order to fulfill that purpose. Thus it has a lot to do with "getting out of one's own way", "letting go and letting god" and "taking it one step at a time". Until the inconjunct is integrated, it can manifest as a angst that there's something to do but "I just don't know how or what to do". The sesquiquadrate, and the semi square too, archetypally says that there are construcitve, wise choices and actions to take in order to further integrate what has been developed up until this point. If this integration does not occur, then sloppiness and lack of social participation will be the result.

Another way to say that: the sesquiquadrate implies curbing what has become excessive in order to make progress. Whereas the inconjunct has more to do with showing up in the first place (gibbous inconjunct) or paying attention to one's environment and showing up in the ways that are needed (full phase inconjunct) and taking it one step at a time.

The sesquiquadrate is in the square family (90/2= 45. All sesquiquadrates are divisions of 45- like the semi square). I like to think of the semisquare and the sesquiquadrate as more refined and detailed manifestations of a square. That's why I use the word "micromanaging".

One expression of a sesquiquadrate that I have definitely come to understand is the experience of feeling "blocked". The reason for the block is to enforce more awareness of what adjustments need to be made in order to move forward.

Another point of contrast- the inconjunct can easily manifest as a resistance to doing this work God has intended for a soul to do on the basis of not feeling ready or being too full of oneself to recognize what's actually needed from society. The of resistance in a sesquiquadrate however is about resisting slowing down and taking the necessary steps/learning what adjustments are neccesary etc in order for evolution to proceed.

A teacher of mine once offered the analogy- if you are doing yoga and are overly flexible- you may hurt yourself if you do not know proper alignment. Thus it is neccesary to "fabricate your own resistance" as to not "over do it" this enables you to naturally build up the appropriate muscular structure to support the flexibility.

I also understand that "excuse making" and over compensation are common expressions of this aspect. This is because it requires will and effort,and most of all, understanding in order to make new adjustments to one's life. Thus until this maturity has been developed, there is often a tendency to make excuses.

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Now here are the specific meanings of the 4 possible manifestations of this aspect.

The first quarter phase sesquiquadrate: being a transitional state to a new phase, has the balsamic quality of "completing" (this is true for all aspects that occur at the end of a phase). What's neccesary is for the soul to learn how to slow down, to curb whatever behaviors are overly excessive/do not allow further participation in society. When we're moving from the new phase to the gibbous phase the archetypal theme is humility via inner withdrawn and reflection on what needs fixing.

Moving from the first quarter to the gibbous phase, there simply isn't very much awareness yet as to how to become progressively socialized in the world in a sustainable and workable way (ie try maintaining a daily yoga practice w/out developing proper alignment- you wont last very long!) Thus in the gibbous phase, there is the the need to continue to take steps to adopt and adjust in the ways that are necessary.

This is potent for me as I have a natal second house Pluto sesquiquadrate to my 9th house Gemini north node- gibbous phase, with an orb of just 6 minutes. I understand a BIG evolutionary lesson for me is to stop making excuses as a way of resisting the evolutionary impulse. Relative to the second house Pluto, Its not particularly easy for me to budge. Thus, based on evolutionary necessity, as I currently understand my own dynamics, my life is set up in such a way that I am being PUSHED to slow down. I still have a lot to understand about this, as I feel my resistance is still IMMENSE and predominately unconscious (as Pluto, a soul tends to be). And the gibbous phase humiliation couldn't feel more true. This is something Rad and other moderators have been helping me with tremendously- and they don't even know it Wink.

The sesquiquadrate that occurs within the full phase is again, completing a phase. This phase has represented the initial exposure to society and participation as an equal. Thus this aspect occuring in this phase requires the soul to slow down and reformulate its awareness of how society works- its rules laws customs etc. And to make neccesary adjustments accordingly. The need is to understand what strucutres need to be developed/embraced.The example JWG gave is Mercury Pluto in a full phase sesquiquadrate. If the soul realizes that becoming a psychologist would be an appropriate way to integrate its own unique purpose, then the soul necessarily needs to understand what is required by society in order to do that (school, credentials, pre-requisities etc). Again micro managing.

The sesquiquadrate in the disseminating phase reflects the beginning of a complete immersion within society- the intent at this point is to continue to make whatever adjustments are necessary in order to fully participate in society in a way that meets the needs/realities of its society. Progressively through the disseminating phase, a soul osmoses into it's own consciousness a deeply penetrating awareness of its social reality, and how to participate within it in a way to fulfill its purpose. And so in the beginning of this phase, with the sesquiquadrate, there needs to an immense degree of awareness channeled into understanding one's society and making the necessary adustments based on that awareness.

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To add to what's already been said, here are some of Jeffrey's words on the Gibbous phase sesquiquad:

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This is a transitional phase of itself. It is the transition between the subjective orientation and objective orientation - from individual development to social development, integrating the individual development into the social scheme of things. The gibbous phase is the transitional archetype between the two. The key word for the gibbous phase is adjustment or self-analysis. What happens here is that now that we have moved through the first quarter trine, the individual is full of himself, very Leonian, and it wants to display and project itself to all. It is the same archetype of the actor who has received an Academy Award and wants all to know. And rightfully so in its own way. After all, it has been a hard-won journey all the way from that new phase conjunction: We get a few bennies in our life now and then, even in the midst of hardship. But, let's face it, most people in these kinds of societies feel threatened by another's accomplishments, by another's sense of well-beingness, by another being full of themselves and having a clear vision of what they are trying to accomplish. This kind of society, because of its religious ethics put such things down. There is nobody around here with pats on the back and congratulations for a journey hard-won. It's more the voice of , "Who in the hell do you think you are?"

We meet this environmental feedback at the first quarter sesquisquare. The first quarter reaction is to throw the question back, and to fight back. This is where it is important to understand sociological context. At some point, whether we like it or not we have to acknowledge that we belong to that context. Envy and jealousy abound. Another culture might say, "More power to you."

The first quarter sesquisquare is preparing the individual to integrate on society's terms, not on the individual's terms and therein lies the rub because at this juncture the person is full of themselves and does not want to bend to any one’s will.

And so there is tremendous tension, sesquisquare, conflict. How do I accomplish the goals relative to vision now that I am receiving this environmental feedback that feels like rejection? That is why we have these key words in the gibbous phase of analysis and adjustment, because when you meet that environmental feedback in this sociological context, it will necessarily promote an existential and experiential crisis which will lead to analysis. Why has this happened? It is the search for knowledge. It is that search that progressively promotes the awareness of how that sociological context is put together. The problem in this kind of aspect is that once that awareness becomes known, the individual begins to feel very small and begins to feel overwhelmed by the sociological context. Then they begin to analyze all their own deficiencies, inferiorities, lacks and shortcomings and all the things they would necessarily have to accomplish, develop or adjust to make that vision reality. And all too often there is a shrinking from the task relative to now another yin phase, the person is thrown in on them self and they are literally experiencing the desert of their own personality and Soul. Somehow where there was richness and fertility, there is now a barren inheritance and thus the person feels lonely as if they are living in an existential void. This promotes crisis.

From a purely archetypical point of view, it is meant to induce humility meaning the person is full of them self and thus perhaps overly identified with their ego in the sense of being the center of the universe, too narcissistic. So this induces necessary ego-centric humility and thus the soul programs via this aspect the negative feedback as well as negative inner feedback as one analyzes oneself.
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The orb that I use is 3 degrees, 1-2 degrees on either side for the sesquiquad.
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So the humility lesson and the need to acknowledge how the system works leads, in most cases, to seeking out the necessary training and activities and schools of higher learning that will give you the necessary certification to actualize the vision. This is another way of acknowledging humility.

The polarity phase here is balsamic. The gibbous phase is now promoting the awareness of the nitty gritty details of one's mundane daily life on a moment to moment basis. I am sensing the balsamic polarity and I want to escape. I am tired of these routines. I am bored. The balsamic is the vision of the absolute, the timeless, divinity, the ultimate, the ideal. So now that I am living my life in this very mundane way, submitting myself to this sociological context, this polarity point progressively tempts me to escape, to compare my reality with an ideal reality that I cannot find, but only can sense. What if I have Mars/Venus in a gibbous phase? Are not my relationships going to seem less than adequate? As measured against the undefined ideal. I will get bored with the normal tedious work I have to do in relationships to sustain it. This could make me irritable and critical and help me to take all the stupid little details and irritants and cause me blow them all out of proportion.

This could make me feel, Venus, that this is less than something I want, Mars. The school of life is now experienced through this relationship. Doubts, partner criticizes, I project. There could even be a refusal to accept any kind of relationship because of the sense of the ideal, timeless relationship.

This gibbous phase is to realize that the path to perfection is not through analyzing and criticizing, but through doing. Imperfection is a natural law of the earth. It is not here. Ultimately that gibbous phase Mars/Venus is teaching the person to seek a divine cosmic relationship within.

With respect to what has come before, the person has all kinds of subconscious memories of freedom and independence and now they are being required to be in a relationship which demands work, so resentment and anger exist.

and this on the disseminating phase sesquiquad

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The disseminating phase correlates to the totality of the sociological cultural system in which you find yourself. In our time, everything that America is correlates to the disseminating phase. All possible lifestyles, beliefs, values and all that which if impossible - disseminating phase. It is the highest degree of socialization, the absolute need to disseminate your purpose which was initiated all the way back at the new phase conjunction. Not just amongst friends and close relationship, but in a full blown integration within the world - job or career.

When you pass the inconjunct, you become aware of what you are and what you can do and you go out and do it. The problem is that the sesquisquare is the last initiation, the last social ritual, social rite toward that goal. You have realized the you are meant to be a stockbroker and you have a powerful vision of wanting to be a stockbroker. In this aspect, you have a powerful vision of how to do it in a unique way, in a way that will actually change the social system that you are about to participate in, now being the world of a stockbroker. At the full phase sesquisquare, until you learn the ways and the means of the stock brokering world, all their little happy rituals, all the things that they do, the consensus of the stockbroker world. Until you learn that, you will be rejected in the sesquisquare full phase. You will be perceived as willful and as threatening to the established status quo. The security is now found through consensus and disseminating phase. The challenge is to acknowledge how that system is working, how the consensus is working, not in the way of becoming it, but in a way of making it work for you. That is the enlightened approach. The problem in most cases is the becoming - that is the easier path. It creates and leads to less social and individual stress, does it not? That's the voice that says, "If you can't beat them, join them." The challenge is to join them without them knowing that you haven't really joined. After all, if things are left in the consensus state forever, it is just going to crystallize and die off. We have to have new blood. That is what this aspect is for, new input, new visions. The key word for disseminating phase is just that - to disseminate, to share, to give.

To me the buzzword for sesquiquad is "adjustment". It is a Virgo-like aspect that involves crisis, analysis, and often paralysis resulting from over analysis, used to justify not acting. It is a gateway aspect because it represents the boundary between two phases, thus an inherent tendency to resist. We are crossing from a masculine phase to a feminine phase. It is a powerful aspect, because of that. The Gibbous sesquiquad represents the 15 degree of Leo point, the Disseminating the 15 degree of Scorpio - both of these are biquadrant points, mid-points of fixed signs. As such they are quite powerful.
Steve

http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=360.0

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 17, 2015 06:44 PM              

Venus sq Neptune - apex Chiron
Pallas sq Chiron - apex Venus

They look like two hammers striking intermittently.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 17, 2015 07:01 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ceri I'll get right back to derailing with you in a minute

For now I want to try and decipher my...

12H Leo Saturn sesquisquare 8H Pisces moon
2.35 orb, separating

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AstroMandala

posted August 17, 2015 07:22 PM              

This is a gibbous sesquis. The Moon will try to embody Saturn. Interesting connection with Moon phases already. All the memories (usually vivid memories and patterns from the previous life, unlike with other people, sometimes manifesting as flashes or feelings of deja vue and the need for daydreaming or powerful dreams) will find a channel through the Pisces Moon...what better channel could they have found? All the typical expression of this Moon: dreams, music, compassion, art, sharing emotions with a chosen group or person (8th house) allow for this Saturn to share its story, its wisdom.

They will come into this world, manifest around (especially in the 8th house domain) first in an unconscious manner, as flows sometimes escaping the control of the native. But then with time, because of the sesquis becoming ripe, there will be a strong need to bring that Saturn through this Moon, in a tangible way, to act on it, in awareness. With sesquis, the way I see them, there is an important need to make a stand or an impression, with the pair, through the release channel. A lasting impression of dreams, memories and patterns coming from that Saturn needs to find a tangible outlet in the 8th, through the Moon.

Not to mention this dance between 12th/ Pisces...this aspect was given to you to bring out your Saturn out of the 12th house and give it power (8th) through subtle lunar neptunian.

and there is also the strong connection with the Cap Sun here ( and mutual reception with Leo Saturn); being Cap through one's Pisces Moon...you may shine through this sesquis by projecting a Saturnian Pisces Moon You are projecting/expressing/polishing and enacting your Sun Saturn mutual reception through your Moon

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AstroMandala

posted August 17, 2015 07:51 PM            

I'm going to refrain from going into detail with these aspects. I understand them within the context of my life, but I'd have to write multiple pages in order to provide a description that would do them justice, and I'm too sleep-deprived to elucidate the depth of these aspects/how it plays out with the rest of my chart. So I'm just going to copy/paste and throw in some comments here and there

1.) Moon Sesqui-Square Mercury (1 degree) "Feelings Against Reason" - You may feel rather confused when deciding whether to act in accordance with your feelings or in accordance with your reason, for the two options appear to be mutually exclusive. As you learn more about yourself you will discover how to integrate the demands of reality with the demands of your own emotional security through experience.

Speaks from the heart and feelings color reason. Mental processes are very open to the environment, so makes for strong perceptions and a creative imagination. There is a strong connection with 'the public' and takes an active interest in psychology and cultural studies. Gains support when it comes to writing, speaking and teaching. Restless. Good memory and strong powers of recall.

2.) Moon Sesqui-Square Pluto (2 degrees) - You may feel rather confused about why your feelings are so powerful, until you develop more self-knowledge through relationships. You may be prone to negative emotions such as jealousy and posessiveness, until you learn that these feelings have more positive expressions in the form of respect and loyalty, which you can develop through refining your emotional nature.

Powerful sex response. Has to desire partner totally. Dissolves in orgasm. Makes sex a spiritual experience. Uses sex(ual energy/creative energy) to gain power(ful artistic inspiration). Blocks desire to control a partner. Responds with force(ful charisma/persuasion) and makes others toe the line.

You have intense desires and feelings and your personal relationships are deeply emotional, passionate, and often stormy and painful as well. There are powerful magnetic ties between yourself and those you care about, and you could become emotionally obsessed by another person. Your feelings can become so urgent and compelling that you do things that are not rational (Saturn Conjunct AC keeps my a** in check ...most of the time). You undergo periodic emotional upheavals and purging, when you must break all ties, release the past and begin anew (yes).

Jeff Buckley, Steve Jobs, Friedrich Nietzsche, Warren Buffet, and Richard Dawkins have this aspect so it must be pretty good ..oh, wait, Joseph Stalin, OJ Simpson, and Donald Trump have it too

3.) Sun Semi-Square Venus (exact) - This aspect is extremely powerful in your horoscope; every action you take will be coloured by this energy. The influence of this planetary connection is subtle and unconscious. You can however expect quite acute periodic crises when the negative effects of the aspect manifest themselves.

It is extremely important for you to feel liked, and you go to considerable lengths to make a good impression. You are personally warm and affectionate, and enjoy both making and being the recipient of romantic gestures. Your mild manner probably comes from your father, who may well have been very loving and considerate. For both sexes problems can arise through denial of the shadow side of the personality and the reluctance to see that people cannot always be ladies and gentlemen. Sometimes too, there may be a tendency to manipulate others through the conscious use of charm, and a far too rosy self-portrayal. Nevertheless personal self-esteem is a central issue for the identity, and learning to love and accept yourself is a prerequisite before you can function well in a relationship.

Easy charm, warm and steady desire, an urge to please self and others are major motives. Inner energy source. ¯May push too hard to gain object of desire, driven by unbridled passion.

This contact evokes in you a very strong aesthetic awareness and quite considerable personal charm. You have the ability to make a warm and enriching contact to others and inspire them with your presence. Your diplomatic talents, and strong sense of personal values, gives you many advantages in a variety of areas. You are not a forceful person, and in general you do not like competition (my greatest and only competitor is myself, it'll be your loss if you want to get in the mix, as that is when I kick it into high gear), but you can get your way through persuasiveness and charm. Your natural charisma and winning manner ensures personal popularity. You would not be happy in a job in which confrontation and conflict plays a role, and your talents are best utilized dealing with personnel, diplomacy, or matters related to taste, style or a refined judgment.

You are loving and well-loved by others, and have a strong need for kindness, friendship, and affection. Your artistic and creative powers are also well developed and you do everything in a harmonious, gracious, pleasing manner. Aesthetics are very important to you. Your personal appearance and attractiveness are also very important to you.

It is, in my opinion, by no means inferior to the conjunction so far as actual artistic ability is concerned, and when it is close, say within 2ŗ (as opposed to 3ŗ, which is the extent of the orb for these aspects ) there is usually talent for Venus pursuits, and particularly for music and dancing. It is not very favorable for marriage, although by itself it should not be taken as a sufficient indication of celibacy or an unfortunate alliance.

4.) Shallow conclusion: These aspects (along with the rest of my chart) indicate that I'm better off directing my creative energy through music, expressing the collective unconscious (7H Libra Chiron conjunct NN), and ultimately becoming a beacon of light for my generation

posted August 17, 2015 08:59 PM            

Ask about a very minor aspect, draw in the experts and all their knowledge!

Thanks for the long posts, Lee and Free Leon!

@Lee

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You are not disseminating, you are gibbous. Which means you are interpreting your Saturn through your Moon

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Ugh, I wish I knew how you arrived at that conclusion? Why is it gibbous? I don't even see how a sesquisquare could be 225 degrees since that's an opposition (180) plus a half (45) not a square and a half.

And can I tell you something hilarious? I don't like Jeff Green's hair and have been struggling to take him seriously ever since I saw his hairdo.

I have one of his books on Pluto and reading him is like, "Oh this would be great!....if...it weren't for his hair."

I don't know what's the matter with me.

But I will work harder to make sense of his writing. Thanks very much for posting it.

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You are projecting/expressing/polishing and enacting your Sun Saturn mutual reception through your Moon

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I really appreciate you taking the time to analyze my puzzle! And I think you are right. Well sun-Saturn mutual reception is an oddity...those planets literally run hot (summer/sun/Leo) and cold (winter/Saturn/Cap)...and the sun is my chart ruler so "Hello world, schizoid girl here..."

The Pisces moon has offered me some self-compassion and acceptance over that. It's been like that Whitney Houston song The Greatest Love of All...where the lesson is, if I can accept even my own very weird self, then who can't I accept??

You know?

Like I myself am the boot camp where I must learn peace, and I have to go the extra mile (Saturn-sun is all for endurance) to make sure whatever peace I make with others is lasting and real.

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I have several Fists in my chart, but perhaps the most important is what I call the Two Fists, two interlocked Thor's Hammers

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posted August 17, 2015 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Free Leon:
A 225 degree Sesqui-Quadrate can be seen as a 135 degree Sesqui-Square plus a 90 degree Square, or a 135 degree Sesqui-Square subtracted from a Circle.

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Thanks, I just don't understand why 225 and 135 both are called sesquisquare *and* sesquiquadrate.

Why not... ...

Have ONE name for one aspect, and another name for the other aspect?

posted August 17, 2015 09:27 PM            

I just wrote you a longish post, I hope you saw it before it poofed?