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Cappi112
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posted October 04, 2015 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cappi112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been wondering lately what it is that makes one person just strike it very very hot in their careers in life, astrologically, while someone else may work very hard but not gain as much?

Just curious what has been seen out there.

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posted October 04, 2015 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter/sag/9th house definitivly have to be involved for success i think. Not one successful person have i seen that have not had jupiter making aspects to their other planets. Alot of successful people have had saturn making aspects too in their charts. It has always been a combination of saturn and jupiter i have noticed. Sag moons i have esp noticed tend to be lucky with work.

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posted October 04, 2015 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cappi112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Verry interesting - I was going to say I definitely expect Jupiter to be in there - and that would make sense to have Sag too, of course...

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posted October 04, 2015 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus conj the MC or in the 10th House

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posted October 04, 2015 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter-Pluto aspects are present in charts of many very successful people, but some of them were working hard to achieve their success.
Famous examples: Vladimir Putin, Henry Kissinger, Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, Warren Buffett, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Albert Einstein, Steven Spielberg, Rupert Murdoch, Audrey Hepburn, Madonna, Dr. Dre, Will Smith ...

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posted October 04, 2015 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think its like a promise that can be seen in the birth chart.. such as Jupiter/Pluto/Saturn conjunction. And its activated by transits and when its meant to unfold.

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posted October 04, 2015 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
stellium in 12th

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posted October 04, 2015 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Uranus conj the MC or in the 10th House


This aspect is tricky. Can be sudden rise and sudden fall.

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posted October 04, 2015 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got lucky with my job and most people I know would consider me successful. I'm not however what I want to be so I'm successful but only a tad. Like there's room for improvement!! I have Saturn square moon and Jupiter in the 7th and Saturn in the 10th in western

In sidereal heliocentric I have earth and moon in the 11th with Saturn on the cusp of the 11th & 10th

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posted October 04, 2015 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I have met geminis and tauruses who are great

Success wise because they have social and are smart and determined

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posted October 04, 2015 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in the 2nd house could be an indicator of success?

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posted October 05, 2015 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not sure if Saturn in 2nd is enough… But with some aspects to other success-related planets this could be it; with Jupiter and/or Venus for example. Donald Trump, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have them, I believe. Even though I am not so sure if this is because of Saturn involvement. Pluto somehow seems more important to me in this case…

I would say that having Saturn in 2nd makes you worrying about money constantly – for example: you always have a feeling that the amount of money that you currently have, just isn’t enough. It doesn’t matter whether you have a lot of money or not, you always worry about it. Any feedback on this?

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posted October 05, 2015 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Saturn-Pluto conjunction inside the 2nd house? And both sextile Venus & sun in the 11h and trine midheaven? Or Jupiter aspecting Uranus?

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posted October 05, 2015 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LostSoulRebecca:
I am not sure if Saturn in 2nd is enough… But with some aspects to other success-related planets this could be it; with Jupiter and/or Venus for example. Donald Trump, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have them, I believe. Even though I am not so sure if this is because of Saturn involvement. Pluto somehow seems more important to me in this case…

I would say that having Saturn in 2nd makes you worrying about money constantly – for example: you always have a feeling that the amount of money that you currently have, just isn’t enough. It doesn’t matter whether you have a lot of money or not, you always worry about it. Any feedback on this?


Once I read Saturn in the 2nd could mean that it doesn't matter how hard you work, it makes the native believe he/she will never find financial stability.

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posted October 07, 2015 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marandana, I agree with you.

For example: my father has Saturn in 2nd and he constantly worries about money and is saying that he has not enough money.

Just like you said it, no matter how much does a native work and how much money he or she makes, he or she will always have a fear of financial instability.

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posted October 11, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been surprised how much the JUPITER in soft aspect to URANUS has been seen in celebrities. Trine, sextile especially.

Here's hoping!

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posted October 12, 2015 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoaringLeaves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll have to define what you mean by *very* suddenly. IMO, in 98-99% of the cases, what people see as sudden success is in fact the result of *years* of hard work without any reward.

Take for instance J. K. Rowling. She had such an overnight success with Harry Potter, right? Wrong! It took her 10 (TEN!) years from the day when she wrote the first word of that book until the book was published. All this time she was just a notch above homeless. I don't always like Kanye West's comments, but that guy continued recording after a surgery, with his jaw locked with wires! How many people have the strength to do something like that? I know someone who made it big "overnight," really really big--in tertiary progressions, his TP-Uranus was exactly conj. TP-MC. But this happened after 3 years of ceaseless work, during which he didn't even have silverware to eat. Or have you seen the movie "The Martian" yet? The author wrote it in 2 years (which is actually fast) but then he couldn't find even an agent to represent him in front of a publisher. So he self-published and was lucky to have a little success with it. 4 more years--full of work, self-promotion, etc--and he has a movie. But that's a total of 6 years of work (the first 3+ for no money) before his "sudden" success. You get my point.

What I think you need to look is:
1) signs of luck, but don't take these on their own. In my experience these have much more to do with:
a) the location of the ASC/MC. People with the angles close to Spica, Regulus, the Great Attractor, or one of the Magellanic Clouds seem to be able to find success faster.
b) Jupiter or asteroids of fortune conjunct the angles or the Sun (Abundantia, Nike, Fortuna, etc).
2) aspects of resilience! The prettiest chart means nothing if you don't fight for your dream. When you fail (because 99.99% of people will fail at least several times before they succeed) you must have the strength to pick yourself up and keep fighting despite everyone around you telling that you'll never succeed. Even the Kardashians owe their "sudden" luck to the resilience of the mother, who for years and years worked restlessly to pull her family out of the hole where they had fallen before she managed to land that show.

I hope this helps.

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posted October 12, 2015 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what I know to be true:

My husband has Saturn in 2H and he has always been successful in his own right. He is very crafty and his ideas flow constantly! Opportunities literally just come his way.

I have Jupiter conj MC in 9H and I have always been LUCKY with money and work in general. When things have looked grim something has always come up last minute that has saved me big time.

I only mentioned these two planets because other posters did

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posted October 12, 2015 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
You'll have to define what you mean by *very* suddenly. IMO, in 98-99% of the cases, what people see as sudden success is in fact the result of *years* of hard work without any reward.

Take for instance J. K. Rowling. She had such an overnight success with Harry Potter, right? Wrong! It took her 10 (TEN!) years from the day when she wrote the first word of that book until the book was published. All this time she was just a notch above homeless. I don't always like Kanye West's comments, but that guy continued recording after a surgery, with his jaw locked with wires! How many people have the strength to do something like that? I know someone who made it big "overnight," really really big--in tertiary progressions, his TP-Uranus was exactly conj. TP-MC. But this happened after 3 years of ceaseless work, during which he didn't even have silverware to eat. Or have you seen the movie "The Martian" yet? The author wrote it in 2 years (which is actually fast) but then he couldn't find even an agent to represent him in front of a publisher. So he self-published and was lucky to have a little success with it. 4 more years--full of work, self-promotion, etc--and he has a movie. But that's a total of 6 years of work (the first 3+ for no money) before his "sudden" success. You get my point.

What I think you need to look is:
1) signs of luck, but don't take these on their own. In my experience these have much more to do with:
a) the location of the ASC/MC. People with the angles close to Spica, Regulus, the Great Attractor, or one of the Magellanic Clouds seem to be able to find success faster.
b) Jupiter or asteroids of fortune conjunct the angles or the Sun (Abundantia, Nike, Fortuna, etc).
2) aspects of resilience! The prettiest chart means nothing if you don't fight for your dream. When you fail (because 99.99% of people will fail at least several times before they succeed) you must have the strength to pick yourself up and keep fighting despite everyone around you telling that you'll never succeed. Even the Kardashians owe their "sudden" luck to the resilience of the mother, who for years and years worked restlessly to pull her family out of the hole where they had fallen before she managed to land that show.

I hope this helps.


A blend of Jupiter and Saturn; Uranus merely points to exceptional, extraordinary events (good or bad) or originality. It doesn't say "success", it shows the surprise factor.

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posted October 12, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Uranus conj the MC or in the 10th House


You just made my day LOL

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posted October 12, 2015 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoaringLeaves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
A blend of Jupiter and Saturn; Uranus merely points to exceptional, extraordinary events (good or bad) or originality. It doesn't say "success", it shows the surprise factor.


Thank you, LeeLoo! I agree about Uranus--the only reason I mentioned that aspect was to point out why his success seemed sudden to the rest of the world, when in fact it was the result of a gruesome effort.

Regarding Saturn, yes! Also I mentioned this in another thread:

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Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
I read a while back an article about the top 10 billionaires. The author found that all of them had Saturn aspecting Venus (any aspect!), either for the placidus or heliocentric chart. They concluded that Saturn-Venus aspects give the resilience to keep pushing ahead even when the rewards aren't obvious.

I would add that you need at least a few squares in general to give you the drive to push ahead. Otherwise you'll get a too "comfortable" chart.

Another aspect of luck that I often noticed is Jupiter in 2nd house, but I would treat this carefully. Yes, it brings you financial good luck, but you still need to put the will and determination behind your projects.

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posted October 12, 2015 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
You'll have to define what you mean by *very* suddenly. IMO, in 98-99% of the cases, what people see as sudden success is in fact the result of *years* of hard work without any reward.

Take for instance J. K. Rowling. She had such an overnight success with Harry Potter, right? Wrong! It took her 10 (TEN!) years from the day when she wrote the first word of that book until the book was published. All this time she was just a notch above homeless. I don't always like Kanye West's comments, but that guy continued recording after a surgery, with his jaw locked with wires! How many people have the strength to do something like that? I know someone who made it big "overnight," really really big--in tertiary progressions, his TP-Uranus was exactly conj. TP-MC. But this happened after 3 years of ceaseless work, during which he didn't even have silverware to eat. Or have you seen the movie "The Martian" yet? The author wrote it in 2 years (which is actually fast) but then he couldn't find even an agent to represent him in front of a publisher. So he self-published and was lucky to have a little success with it. 4 more years--full of work, self-promotion, etc--and he has a movie. But that's a total of 6 years of work (the first 3+ for no money) before his "sudden" success. You get my point.

What I think you need to look is:
1) signs of luck, but don't take these on their own. In my experience these have much more to do with:
a) the location of the ASC/MC. People with the angles close to Spica, Regulus, the Great Attractor, or one of the Magellanic Clouds seem to be able to find success faster.
b) Jupiter or asteroids of fortune conjunct the angles or the Sun (Abundantia, Nike, Fortuna, etc).
2) aspects of resilience! The prettiest chart means nothing if you don't fight for your dream. When you fail (because 99.99% of people will fail at least several times before they succeed) you must have the strength to pick yourself up and keep fighting despite everyone around you telling that you'll never succeed. Even the Kardashians owe their "sudden" luck to the resilience of the mother, who for years and years worked restlessly to pull her family out of the hole where they had fallen before she managed to land that show.

I hope this helps.


I have Regulus on my MC. Success faster? In my dreams, maybe!

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posted October 12, 2015 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
I would add that you need at least a few squares in general to give you the drive to push ahead. Otherwise you'll get a too "comfortable" chart.

Well said again

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posted October 12, 2015 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart is set up for success.

Still waiting.

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posted October 12, 2015 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoaringLeaves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I was trying to say with my original post was that success isn't about winning the luck lottery--it's about sustained hard work.

I envy you because I don't have any of the lucky placements/aspects I mentioned. Neither do I have any planet conjunct my angles, which seems to smooth the path to success so much. But I don't let this deter me from actively pursuing my dream. I haven't taken a real vacation in 5 years--I use the time to train more, learn as much as I can, actively look for opportunities. It's not unusual that I work 14 hours a day and not because anyone forces me to. None of the people I mentioned just waited for their luck to turn for the better. Not even the Kardashians were *just* offered that show out of the blue--the mother knocked on every door seeking it, fighting for it until she proved that she can make it successful.

In the end, I believe that we make our own success.

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