posted October 19, 2015 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Mars/Pluto Emperor:
Oh i see! My younger brother has a Libra AS and Gemini Mars,and he is very good with words,but since I have air/mercury dominant too,I can see through his bs xD

Though I'm curious, is Mars in the 7th house similar to Libra Mars?

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In the matter of relationship focus is similar. Other than that, I'm not really an expert saying in detail..

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
[B] It's a matter of perspective. Libras can come off as two-faced because they see two sides (or more) of an issue. This is incomprehensible to many people all by itself. ....

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That's why I won't put Libra to liars or manipulators, just the one who really know how to use double-faces kind of thing than any signs.

posted October 19, 2015 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Mars/Pluto Emperor:
Yes i will Thank you! By far i am very controlled when it comes to stuff like that. I have an old friend with a Mars in leo who has his mars opposite neptune,and he was very...lost in terms of a bright future compared to me.

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Neptune in hard aspect to Mars is tough, no doubt!

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posted October 19, 2015 06:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Mars/Pluto Emperor:
Yes i will Thank you! By far i am very controlled when it comes to stuff like that. I have an old friend with a Mars in leo who has his mars opposite neptune,and he was very...lost in terms of a bright future compared to me.

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posted October 19, 2015 08:24 AM            

Manipulators: Not always the same as simple liars. These people lie to get something out of you, most liars just lie to save their ass or to lie about how great they are. Pisces suns are real emotional manipulators. They have an emotional personality but it may not really run deeply depending on the moon sign. They know how to lie to tug on your heartstrings and gain pity and support. Even if its support for... a lie... Loves to fake illnesses and trauma that never happened...

posted October 19, 2015 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
I vote mercury/neptune for the aspect of easily slippery.

Double-faces, libra sun/mars.

Manipulators, every signs has different kind of way to manipulate. But probably the best manipulator based on element, I vote for water element.

Edited: I don't know lying, every signs has tendency to lie.

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I knew someone with a very wide mercury neptune conjunction. He didnt really lie but he was very open ended about everything.

posted October 19, 2015 08:30 AM            

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Originally posted by HoodBlaze:
Got Mercury opp Uranus and Neptune. Struggled with it my whole life. As said above a lot of the time I catch myself halfway through the lie. I've really gotten better and gone and some nice streaks, but just the other day I was talking some **** haha. For me present moment awareness and loving who I am is the only solution. It's hard though when you're a broke college student. All my friends are impressing woman or people and I could get away with lying easily and have a ton before. It's just really confusing haha. I've had the mentality that why should I feel that it's wrong to lie to a woman about my finically situation? If they actually care then they are in the wrong for being superficial. Even though I've grown past that I still resonate with that view. When you have an amazing intelligent woman in front of you, and you know when you say you're broke they're outta there, then what do you do????

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posted October 19, 2015 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Mars/Pluto Emperor:
For example,Would a Mars in Pisces or Gemini MC be good at lying? I believe since mars is uncomfortable in pisces,it can somehow indirectly manipulate others,tend to also be liars and cheaters? I have this mars and I am very competitive (probably my mars/pluto lol)Also I believe having a mercury in an air sign makes a good liar. For aspects I'd say a neptune/mercury aspect or mercury/jupiter aspect.

What do you guys think about what I said? Do you agree or disagree?

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I have Mars in Pisces, and many people I am close to have this placement as well. If anything, I think it's more that we have trouble knowing when we are accidentally manipulating someone. Lying is not a thing - I've never been good at lying; I have lied, but I always came clean. It's too much to hold on my conscience.

However, I have manipulated people before without realizing I was doing it. I think it's more out of a place of insecurity. But again, once I realized I'd done this to someone, I changed my ways immediately and spoke honestly about it.

posted October 19, 2015 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by HoodBlaze:
Got Mercury opp Uranus and Neptune. Struggled with it my whole life. As said above a lot of the time I catch myself halfway through the lie. I've really gotten better and gone and some nice streaks, but just the other day I was talking some **** haha. For me present moment awareness and loving who I am is the only solution. It's hard though when you're a broke college student. All my friends are impressing woman or people and I could get away with lying easily and have a ton before. It's just really confusing haha. I've had the mentality that why should I feel that it's wrong to lie to a woman about my finically situation? If they actually care then they are in the wrong for being superficial. Even though I've grown past that I still resonate with that view. When you have an amazing intelligent woman in front of you, and you know when you say you're broke they're outta there, then what do you do????

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An "amazing" woman wouldn't run from you, but I'm sure you have different standards on what constitutes amazing.

I've been in clubs and seen a mass of people lying to each other, both directly and indirectly, and that includes about themselves. If everyone else is doing it, then why not you? It must work in the short term, but in the long term...I'm not surprised there are so many dramatic breakups and messy divorces with so many "bait and switches" going on.

Thinking about it...the indication of liars/manipulators is...all of them! That's the rule, not the exception. The real line is at what degree does it cease to be acceptable. I'm talking Plutonian reality here, not feel good BS (just another common way we lie to ourselves and each other). As one psychiatrist put it, if everyone stopped lying then society as we know it would collapse.

Could you imagine society where everyone told the truth? This early in the morning, I can't. It would be alien. Advertisements, politics, religion, school (especially history classes around the world), relationships, medicine, sex ed, drug ed, job applications...even saying how we really feel at the moment to loved ones can be devastating which is why most lie (it's for a good cause)...a world without lies would be completely bizarre compared to what we currently have. And I know that sometimes when people tell the truth, they're blasted for that as well, as that's mean or rude or what have you.

If everyone told the truth, then one of the rarest questions would be how you're doing.

So go ahead and lie, if that's what it takes. Just know that she's lying to you as well. And where do you think that's going to end up for the both of you?

I know I must sound really bitter right now, but actually I'm feeling philosophical about it, even mildly amused by the asylum that is our world.

posted October 19, 2015 09:40 AM            

An Aquarius sun with Sag moon regrets that the world doesn't appreciate honesty more.

And here, a man doesn't want the truth:

posted October 19, 2015 10:56 AM            

I constantly have this problem where I want to empathize with a person and let them know that I understand where they are coming from...

And then I talk to another person with opposing views and want to empathize with them, too...

And if these people compare notes they will surely think I was double-talking...though I am usually scrupulous about upholding my own standards of honesty as best I can...so if I say, "I see where you are coming from," it does not mean I am coming from the same place you are, and if you misconstrue my words, then that is out of my hands...I did my best to talk my way across that tightrope and be supportive.

Though there are cases where people can be really demanding about getting validation for their views, and if I don't want to get into an argument, I might just say something equivocal that passes for "what they want to hear" while I scramble to change the subject. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth because I was engaging in a kind of subterfuge, for self-protection's sake, and sometimes for many other reasons at the same time...yet the playing field of communication wasn't conducive to describing all these dynamics...so all that happened was, we preserved a semblance of peace through a well-managed spell of mutual confusion.

posted October 19, 2015 02:17 PM            

In fact, what I have noticed is when Mercury transit aspects anyone's planet by square, there is some kind of lie going on, either the person doing it or the person being lied to.

posted October 19, 2015 02:47 PM            

i smoke 2 times weed with friends in my life. I never take any other drugs. I drank only when i was in party with friends until i hit 24 yo and then i quit those friend because i told them i want to stop party it was enough for me and i was tired of going saturday night in club taking a whiskhy bottle then next week again it was cool for a time whe you are Young but there is a moment when you have to stop.

i don't smoke and i don't drink any alcohol, i do lots of sports i love running outdoor i have mars in pisces trine jupiter in cancer. i was playing basketball everyday between 15 and 25 yo. i try to be aware of my daily routine as much as i can as i am virgo rising.

for the liar side, people said i dont know how to lie...and the only time i lie it's when i have to escape bad surroundings, negative thing or people i find ways to escape.

i will talk more of escapism with mars pisces neptune and mercury and pisces. and also i liked in someway drama when i was Young, i think also its very piscean thing.

generally, i am the one who is always betrayed (mars in 7th), i was betrayed more than once and in the big way i still bring pain from past betrayal, manipulation, i was manipulated by friends and in my job. and i met a lot deceitful people and with time i find myself also deceiving from what i expected from me in life, career etc...but i have had really big upheaval and hardship and i was forced to hide from time to all my previous friend circle because someone hurt me to the core i will never recover in my life...

but actually, since last year i am leading to phd so i guess all stories, bad neptunian stuff occcuring in my life forced me to cope with life and focus on what 's good for me while i thought everything was lost...thanks to saturn in virgo conjunct my virgo rising who block and organize the neptunian confusion in my chart. Plus, i am Learning to say no, and to stand by myself now, no more cling to people.

i think in my life with that bad neptune but good saturn i face 2 side :
the confusion, mess with life, people trouble you cannot elude with that aspect and the lonely way from saturn who is even harder but reward in the end.

the advise i want to give for people with mars-neptune or mercrury neptune with 7th house implied is never trust anyone! trust only yourself because you will be always betrayed in the end, people come and goes, take you what they can take and leave you miserable.

posted October 19, 2015 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by visions:
hmmm...i want to bring my opinion as i have mars in pisces in VII square with neptune and a light mercury square neptune.

i smoke 2 times weed with friends in my life. I never take any other drugs. I drank only when i was in party with friends until i hit 24 yo and then i quit those friend because i told them i want to stop party it was enough for me and i was tired of going saturday night in club taking a whiskhy bottle then next week again it was cool for a time whe you are Young but there is a moment when you have to stop.

i don't smoke and i don't drink any alcohol, i do lots of sports i love running outdoor i have mars in pisces trine jupiter in cancer. i was playing basketball everyday between 15 and 25 yo. i try to be aware of my daily routine as much as i can as i am virgo rising.

for the liar side, people said i dont know how to lie...and the only time i lie it's when i have to escape bad surroundings, negative thing or people i find ways to escape.

i will talk more of escapism with mars pisces neptune and mercury and pisces. and also i liked in someway drama when i was Young, i think also its very piscean thing.

generally, i am the one who is always betrayed (mars in 7th), i was betrayed more than once and in the big way i still bring pain from past betrayal, manipulation, i was manipulated by friends and in my job. and i met a lot deceitful people and with time i find myself also deceiving from what i expected from me in life, career etc...but i have had really big upheaval and hardship and i was forced to hide from time to all my previous friend circle because someone hurt me to the core i will never recover in my life...

but actually, since last year i am leading to phd so i guess all stories, bad neptunian stuff occcuring in my life forced me to cope with life and focus on what 's good for me while i thought everything was lost...thanks to saturn in virgo conjunct my virgo rising who block and organize the neptunian confusion in my chart. Plus, i am Learning to say no, and to stand by myself now, no more cling to people.

i think in my life with that bad neptune but good saturn i face 2 side :
the confusion, mess with life, people trouble you cannot elude with that aspect and the lonely way from saturn who is even harder but reward in the end.

the advise i want to give for people with mars-neptune or mercrury neptune with 7th house implied is never trust anyone! trust only yourself because you will be always betrayed in the end, people come and goes, take you what they can take and leave you miserable.

now for the lying side you have to face yourself to find when you lie and why you lie. if it's to escape people you don't like, negative surroundings the best is to telle the truth or said you feel better by doing somthing else.

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your case reinforce my theory. you have on your side the trine of jupiter mars. that would make you ethical and not comfortable about lying. but you have hit the nail. the problem with neptune is the fear of separation. they dont want to upset the apple cart, then they lie to not say.."you know what, i dont want to do this or that" a mercury-pluto aspect or an aries mercury-conjunct mars would do without hesitancy. and then, there is the lack of clarity in neptunian words. you know it is like a dream... maybe is not lying is just a different communication system..

posted October 19, 2015 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
An "amazing" woman wouldn't run from you, but I'm sure you have different standards on what constitutes amazing.

I've been in clubs and seen a mass of people lying to each other, both directly and indirectly, and that includes about themselves. If everyone else is doing it, then why not you? It must work in the short term, but in the long term...I'm not surprised there are so many dramatic breakups and messy divorces with so many "bait and switches" going on.

Thinking about it...the indication of liars/manipulators is...all of them! That's the rule, not the exception. The real line is at what degree does it cease to be acceptable. I'm talking Plutonian reality here, not feel good BS (just another common way we lie to ourselves and each other). As one psychiatrist put it, if everyone stopped lying then society as we know it would collapse.

Could you imagine society where everyone told the truth? This early in the morning, I can't. It would be alien. Advertisements, politics, religion, school (especially history classes around the world), relationships, medicine, sex ed, drug ed, job applications...even saying how we really feel at the moment to loved ones can be devastating which is why most lie (it's for a good cause)...a world without lies would be completely bizarre compared to what we currently have. And I know that sometimes when people tell the truth, they're blasted for that as well, as that's mean or rude or what have you.

If everyone told the truth, then one of the rarest questions would be how you're doing.

So go ahead and lie, if that's what it takes. Just know that she's lying to you as well. And where do you think that's going to end up for the both of you?

I know I must sound really bitter right now, but actually I'm feeling philosophical about it, even mildly amused by the asylum that is our world.

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posted October 19, 2015 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by visions:
i think manipulation has to do with pluto also not only mars-neptune etc...so maybe we have to not overlook other aspect and planet with manipulation.

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posted October 19, 2015 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
IF she is truly amazing and intelligent she wont care if youre broke. If she runs the other way then you know for sure shes not worth the time. Cause what if you ARE rich and you find what seems like a great person, then you lose that money one day and your lover takes off?

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Just my thoughts here, I sort of wonder about the reason behind this ^ way of thinking since I've met quite a lot of people who have it.

I think about it like this, if a person is broke (and by "broke" I mean they're unable to take care of themselves financially, unable to be independent financially, barely scrapping by, in debts..etc..), shouldn't they be focusing on getting themselves out of that situation before getting involved with another person? That takes time and effort and they end up having more on their plate than they can deal with.